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18 берез. 2021, 16:2618.03.21
18 берез. 2021, 16:26(відредаговано)
24.09.20
28

Hellhades posted this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9cCrCYDDw highlighting he current issue with arena. Inactive gold/platium tier players get pushed back to bronze tier where they stays as they cant be pused further down making bronze tier broken.

A solution someone posted which I find the best as of yet would be removing inactive accounts every reset (weekly) making arena especially bronze tier being the level of difficult as it should be, not the inflated mess with top tier / end game champions it is now.

18 берез. 2021, 19:5318.03.21
18 берез. 2021, 19:54(відредаговано)
15.10.20
871
Deleted

@Aedzy, you can upload directly here after you print screen, or you can use an image hosting site like imgur. 

@Tanreh Legendaries and Epics don't mean anything unless they're properly geared. I understand how intimidating those teams are, but they're just that- intimidating. They'd be in Gold (or even Silver) if their players knew how to compose a proper team with synergy, or if they had good gear. Also points you win/lose depend on that specific opponent's current arena points. If their points are significantly higher than yours, they'd sit at the bottom at the list. You'd get more points if you win against them, and you'd lose less points if you don't. Inversely if they have lower arena points than you, they'd be listed closer to the top of your matchups, and if you lose against them you'd lose more. 

A lot of the people commenting by suggesting that those struggling dont know how to play made their progress when the arena was different. My account is 160 days old, i understand the principle of newb nuke and hit Gold 1 a month or two ago, now i am sliding out of silver and into bronze- things have changed


I am not ftp, but i am not a whale either (i buy the gem pack monthly). Can you just confirm you consider arena to be working as intended? that way i can quit and spend my money elsewhere on a different game- since i have zero chance of getting missions done.

Thanks

18 берез. 2021, 20:0218.03.21
18 берез. 2021, 20:03(відредаговано)
24.09.20
28
trevor.wilson

A lot of the people commenting by suggesting that those struggling dont know how to play made their progress when the arena was different. My account is 160 days old, i understand the principle of newb nuke and hit Gold 1 a month or two ago, now i am sliding out of silver and into bronze- things have changed


I am not ftp, but i am not a whale either (i buy the gem pack monthly). Can you just confirm you consider arena to be working as intended? that way i can quit and spend my money elsewhere on a different game- since i have zero chance of getting missions done.

Thanks

Im also wondering how it can be all of sudden everyone have gotten from being well aware of how arena works and being able to stay in silver/gold all of sudden cant get pass bronze tier and its a l2p issue? Im not wanting to post my champs because the fact is, my team should be sufficent enough to hang in silver. Im not asking for advice, im not asking for a team comp to beat gold or platinum. Im raising the issue that arena is a mess.

Arena is a broken, its a fact. Arena wasnt like this few months ago. Something major happend and its causing the more casual / newer player base to suffer big time as we cant continue getting missions done because of the lack of silver medals. 

Instead of this can you post your team comp, or git gud can we actually get some insight from managment on what went wrong and if its any fixes incoming?

18 берез. 2021, 21:2718.03.21
231031

Dude, this is insane, I'm stuck a Bronze II.... again Bronze II ... ! Come on, I have a team of 220-250-ish speed tuned with High Khatun 1st (50), Warmaiden 2nd (50) and Kael (60) and Athel (60) to nuke... but I'm in the second tier!!! second!! I dont want to get to gold yet, but getting to silver I is becoming impossible. You know? there is something wrong definitely, I should be getting up there at least to silver. Guess will be ok to get wrecked in gold cause you are getting close to the "end game", but... in bronze, fighting teams of 4 leggos, or teams with fully ascended madame, MM or those crazy pvp champs, damn... I'm getting discouraged.

18 берез. 2021, 23:2618.03.21
17.12.20
50

Hell Hades acknowledges the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9cCrCYDDw

I really appreciate the help from older players, it's been very useful, but I think you either forgot how hard it is when you're a beginner/not a whale, or it just wasn't that hard back in the days. It shouldn't that hard to progress from Bronze to Silver.

I've followed every advice, read all the posts, done all my fights everyday... When I'm lucky, I finish in Bronze III when I go to bed. When I wake up, I'm always back in Bronze I, below 950. And it takes me all day long, refreshing every 15 minutes to go back to Bronze III. The system is broken. Unless you spend zillions or spend 8h a day playing.

I have a Nuke Team with High Kathun 40, Seeker 50 (sometimes Drath, usefull when I can't nuke in one shot), Warmaiden 60 and Kael 60 (full masteries). I understand I still have a margin of progression (getting all my masteries, leveling up Seeker, better gear), but I feel like Sisyphus. It's absurd. 

18 берез. 2021, 23:4318.03.21
17.12.20
50

(sorry, I hadn't seen the video had already been posted)

19 берез. 2021, 00:3619.03.21
04.03.21
6

Look the ultimate team in BRONZE 3! and its full of that. Im stuck in Bronze 3 for more than one month. 

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19 берез. 2021, 03:0319.03.21
04.03.21
6

Fix the Arena or let us buy the bonus points in great hall with gems. Its impossible complete that.

19 берез. 2021, 08:4819.03.21
231031

believe it or not, this was my go to team for a while until I got better champs...but these guys (on the left) got me to Gold 4......

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19 берез. 2021, 11:1919.03.21
19.01.21
647

I made it to silver 1, maybe silver 2 (don't really remember when I switched champions) with Spirit Host, Shaman, Athel and Courtier, all but Athel being 50 and wearing mostly 3* gear between +12 and +16 (Athel wearing the free lifesteal set which is mostly 4*). I was using Warpriest before Shaman, but I don't remember how far I got with her. So you can go on and on about what is and isn't a good team all you want. In the end the team is largely irrelevant compared to exploiting the matchmaking, unless you happen to be so far beyond what the mission progression tells you that you should be that you might be able to power through.

19 берез. 2021, 13:3819.03.21
19.12.19
7028
L9753

Obviously some of the people here / in other threads just don't have good enough teams yet, even if they could farm easy medals in gold IV as long as there were bots around. But there are also people whose teams are perfectly decent yet they still can't break out of bronze - there is definitely a problem, from the looks of it it's just as bad as it was last time. 

Are bots gone? I can't imagine they are only in gold4?

19 берез. 2021, 13:4119.03.21
10.11.20
235
Trips

Are bots gone? I can't imagine they are only in gold4?

Havent  seen  what  used  to  be  the  bot  accounts  in  gold  iv  for  a  little  while  now...  there  may  still  he  bots  buts  they  are  not  the  warmaiden,  spirithost,  kael  bots  that  i  used  to  see  pages  of.

19 берез. 2021, 13:5319.03.21
23.03.18
6
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Screenshots like FluffyPudding's seriously don't help in "lower arena is broken" threads. 

Can't really contribute more to Player J's comment, it's already on point. Work on your champs, study champ synergies (both on your team and your opponents'), and maybe don't expect Bronze to be full of level 20 uncommons. 

If anyone is struggling with arena, especially with getting out of Bronze, feel free to ask for advice here on the forum, or even shoot me a PM. 

This response from Plarium doesnt help really. Instead of solving the problem you arfe saying: play the game for 12 months, get and level all those champs, then you recieve your arbiter (probably third by that time? lol). 

Moderator: lazy response! Fix the matching logic instead. New players should fight new players. Dont pretend problem doesnt exist, it will only become louder on all social media and reviews. 

19 берез. 2021, 14:2919.03.21
15.10.20
871
EGDNIT

The bot solution is not necessarily a bad one, assuming you're okay with having the arena as being part of a PvE/PvP hybrid feature. Personally, I'm fine with leaving platinum as the whale playground where they can compete over who can give Plarium the most money all they want, as long as any tiers required for progression is more forgiving and more of a fun experience trying to fight different team configurations with your own. For that particular purpose, bot teams are probably better than player teams, as it will help to mix up a stale meta. If you insist on making a feature part of your overall progression though, then you should also ensure that everyone can get there with a reasonable amount of effort.

The issue is that the arena is not just a PvP ranking system (as bad as it is), it's also a component of your PvE experience and not a small one either. Without the arena, your options in the forge are restricted. Unless you get get to silver, you can't get great hall bonuses above 3, and even that is painfully slow when you need a minimum of 250 bronze 3/4 wins to get a single one to level 3. It prohibits you from participating in tournaments involving the arena, for example I would need to win 186 arena matches just to get in the top 10 of the current one (which unless I'm mistaken would translate to about 83 wins per day). Progress missions are, as mentioned many times before, hilariously out of sync with reality. There are daily quests that depend on arena participation. I'm sometimes struggling with the one to gather 30 materials.

So on one hand, you have the game tell you basically from the start that here is something that you should participate in, practically taunting you and partially blocking progress if you dont, and on the other hand you have the harsh reality pushing back and telling you to go screw yourself. Let's have a look at another similar feature; the tag team arena. If anything, that's even worse than the classic one, but do people complain about it? Well, okay, yes to an extent, but nowhere near the same. Why not? Well, presumably because the only thing you lose out on by skipping tag team is the bazar. I don't think it's that no one cares about the potential rewards from the bazar, I'm certainly interested in them, but rather that without any pressure from the game for you to actually do it, people are more willing to acknowledge that it's not content that they are ready for yet. Likewise the doom tower. I can't get past the scarab boss, but I don't feel any particular need to complain about it because I know I'm not there yet and nothing is telling me that I should be. On the other hand, you saw what happened when they made doom tower participation a requirement for completing the advanced quests; some people were not happy about it, because suddenly there's that external pressure to participate in something they felt they were not ready for.

I'm not sure why this seems to be a surprise to some people. It's not exactly rocket science here. If the game pushes hard to set up expectations that it then can't possibly deliver on, it's not exactly shocking that people get upset about it.

This is spot on, if i didnt need to do arena for pve i would ignore pvp completely until i had a team and gear to play it properly.

As for whales, they are what make the game viable financially and are definitely crucial to plarium

But if ftp and minnows quit then the whales lose people to dominate and i suspect they will lose whale accounts too when they no longer have ftp players to beat up.

19 берез. 2021, 16:2619.03.21
14.04.20
1343
Trips

Are bots gone? I can't imagine they are only in gold4?

Even in gold 4, things are finally getting harder. I don't think there are bots anymore, just still some newer players who have been farming bots and managed to stay in gold 4 until now... but they won't manage much longer. And just like in the lower levels, once things start to get harder, it quickly becomes a vicious cycle that pushes the difficulty way up. I'm not sure I'll still be in gold 4 a month from now, if things continue like this. 

19 берез. 2021, 16:2619.03.21
14.04.20
1343
trevor.wilson

So we end up with retired whales in silver/bronze?

I thought inactive accounts were removed from arena?

Don't believe every rumour you hear. 

19 берез. 2021, 17:1319.03.21
19 берез. 2021, 17:42(відредаговано)
184
trevor.wilson

So we end up with retired whales in silver/bronze?

I thought inactive accounts were removed from arena?

I wanted to approach the person to ask how he built his champion. I searched for it in plarium play, and when I tried to send a message there was shown this account is deleted

19 берез. 2021, 20:0019.03.21
19 берез. 2021, 20:02(відредаговано)
27.01.21
300

I managed to claw into silver 2 after getting High Khatun and ascending her to 6 (for the extra speed), but the teams I've seen from Bronze 3- Silver 2 have been more or less the same.  You can go for a page or two with teams there is no reason to even try.  There is something messed up in the game when the progress missions say that I'm supposed to be getting silver medals in the arena and then the next mission says I need to really stretch myself and 3 star a campaign mission on hard!  I'm 1/3 of the way through 3 starring nightmare which is easier than the low silver arena.  It is messed up.

Anyway, I didn't know teams could hit you twice when they beat you the first time.  I found it annoying enough that I lose medals when a team loses to me but then rechallenges me and wins.  I actually gained fewer medals than I lost last time that happened which is really bad game design.  Anyway, the two teams at the top are the same person.  I blurred out the names because they didn't ask to get dragged into a forum discussion but I really don't know why the same person could hit me and beat me twice in a row.



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The team page for that top player was the same:



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20 берез. 2021, 16:1620.03.21
24.03.20
8

Arena is a complete joke -  dropped 4 levels and  haven't had a turn.  Every time I fight even a lower strength team it starts and the fight is over without a having turn!!!  4 days and I haven't had a chance to attack???  How is right?  This started after the update and needs to fixed.  Next time I get a review request it will one star and a don't bother with the game.

20 берез. 2021, 16:5920.03.21
16.11.20
1226
limazero

Arena is a complete joke -  dropped 4 levels and  haven't had a turn.  Every time I fight even a lower strength team it starts and the fight is over without a having turn!!!  4 days and I haven't had a chance to attack???  How is right?  This started after the update and needs to fixed.  Next time I get a review request it will one star and a don't bother with the game.

The most important part of a arena team is speed, you probably have low speed which is why as you said you dont even get a turn. 

If you have High Khatun or Apothacary you should be using them, for their team speed boost and have them in the fastest gear on your entire account. HK is probably better for you as well as she brings a speed aura to the team as well.

No idea what kind of team you are running but I would suggest if available to you to use someone with a speed aura in leader slot, someone with a team speed boost, then two damage dealers. 

Hope this helps.