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14 берез. 2025, 00:0914.03.25
19.12.19
6634


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My first battle today.  Not sure how the matchmaking worked here or how I won lol.  I banned krixia 6star plus something... I think playing immediately after reset is a bad idea


14 берез. 2025, 00:1014.03.25
16.12.21
1596
Trips

Wouldn't using just seasonal score be the most "fair" method?


Except that it's ignoring Tiers

I'm in gold 4 and got matched up with a bunch of people who were just barely in gold 1

I mean, its good for me for getting points fast, but it's defintely not fair for them to get matched against me right out of the gate

14 берез. 2025, 00:2114.03.25
14 берез. 2025, 00:22(відредаговано)
06.10.23
8
Trips

I'm guessing those on the leaderboard are just fighting each other the majority of the time, working as intended...

I mean I could go 7-3 today, but come here and post the 1 whale I got matched with as proof of bad matchmaking. 

I concede that it will be significantly more difficult for newer accounts to progress, but that's no different than any other area of the game. 

Just one match? Do you bother to read a posting or just come to a conclusion from one post and then reply with the first thing you can think of?  As for your comment about the leaderboards, they do not only play each other, and that's the issue. You would be aware of that if you took the time to read the entire discussion about this issue instead of just hunting someone to troll just because they have a different opinion than you.

14 берез. 2025, 00:2914.03.25
14 берез. 2025, 00:30(відредаговано)
06.10.23
8
Trips


i

My first battle today.  Not sure how the matchmaking worked here or how I won lol.  I banned krixia 6star plus something... I think playing immediately after reset is a bad idea


It's not a big deal to beat a team that outranks you 1.5 k. It happens all the time. Try winning when a team doubles your ranking or best you by 9 to 10k.  Try matches like this 4 out of 5 times and post those matches.

dthorne04Moderator
14 берез. 2025, 00:3314.03.25
30.12.20
6727

The rating shouldn't be the first thing that jumps out at you there, or even the second.

the discrepancy in champs and blessings should be, so to some degree I think you're putting too much stock/weight in ratings.

dthorne04Moderator
14 берез. 2025, 00:3914.03.25
14 берез. 2025, 00:39(відредаговано)
30.12.20
6727

To add: I am also still of the opinion that in terms of the overall points grind to 4800 - let alone getting Quintus - a lot of it will just come down to volume and making incremental gains in gear/strat for a lot of folks. 

The amount of people in the 4400ish range that I have run into who make fundamental misplays during the pick phase, during the ban phase and the actual gameplay is actually startling. Yesterday I ran into someone in that range who in Mikage's alt form used her A1 on my Marius when I had a stoneskin Ankora out in a spot where most of their champs were close to death. There are just a lot of people who don't recognize kits, interactions, etc.

14 берез. 2025, 01:1514.03.25
25.06.20
6920

The fact that they +1'd a mythical and +2'd a Marichka lol.

14 берез. 2025, 01:2214.03.25
19.12.19
6634
dthorne04

The rating shouldn't be the first thing that jumps out at you there, or even the second.

the discrepancy in champs and blessings should be, so to some degree I think you're putting too much stock/weight in ratings.

Definitely this ^^

Rating is just a function of games played.  I also just lost to a sub 3000 player...

The oddity of the screenshot was the SEASONAL ranking, that guy is 22 on the leaderboard. All my other matches seemed to be based on seasonal ranking. 


14 берез. 2025, 01:2314.03.25
19.12.19
6634
kramaswamy.kr

The fact that they +1'd a mythical and +2'd a Marichka lol.

All 6star blessings in case u missed that ;)


14 берез. 2025, 01:3014.03.25
19.12.19
6634
Fivedie

Just one match? Do you bother to read a posting or just come to a conclusion from one post and then reply with the first thing you can think of?  As for your comment about the leaderboards, they do not only play each other, and that's the issue. You would be aware of that if you took the time to read the entire discussion about this issue instead of just hunting someone to troll just because they have a different opinion than you.

I'm just stating facts.  The screenshots i saw from a top5 leaderboard guy who also drives another whale account showed all of the same opponents.  

I can share my 10 battles if you'd like.  Other than the one outlier I already posted, the rest are all based on the seasonal rating. 

14 берез. 2025, 01:3914.03.25
19.12.19
6634
MooredRat

Except that it's ignoring Tiers

I'm in gold 4 and got matched up with a bunch of people who were just barely in gold 1

I mean, its good for me for getting points fast, but it's defintely not fair for them to get matched against me right out of the gate

I lost to 2 gold 1 ratings today.  Most g1 just haven't played much live, or really sandbagging lol.

It was intentionally designed as 1 big group for the seasons which makes sense. All gold gonna be accelerated to g4 now anyway.  I honestly think it will make live a better experience for everyone long term. 

14 берез. 2025, 01:5514.03.25
16.12.21
1596
Trips

I lost to 2 gold 1 ratings today.  Most g1 just haven't played much live, or really sandbagging lol.

It was intentionally designed as 1 big group for the seasons which makes sense. All gold gonna be accelerated to g4 now anyway.  I honestly think it will make live a better experience for everyone long term. 

Okay, you make a fair point about the way the scoring change is going to accelerate people into g4.


Also it occured to me that the season score milestones discourage people from throwing fights to get easier matchups

25 берез. 2025, 02:0925.03.25
25 берез. 2025, 02:12(відредаговано)
14.08.24
1

The problem is that the whole landscape has changed for Live Arena in just a couple of weeks

I went from being able to have a 50-60% win rate in gold 1-2 to having an 33% winrate today against all gold 4 and above people (but its ok I am still in gold 2 and havent lost any points because I can at least beat the bots they put me up against).

They need to fix the matchmaking, because unless people are buying tokens like crazy there wont actually be a gap big enough to allow people to get seasonal rewards as the point gaps are crazy that it is allowing 500+ point differences (which at my current winrate is 166.67 wins or 500 matches for me to get there).

Currently based on todays games to get the seasonal rewards I would need to play around 850 more matches which is 85 DAYS if I buy no tokens, but even if I bought every token going I would need to play 60+ matches a day to even have a chance to get the seasonal rewards (assuming my winrate doesnt continue to fall off a cliff), I actually upgraded my heroes yesterday (added 20 more speed, got my highest resist person to 650 and my winrate dropped another 7% because instead of fighting people closer to my tier like yesterday I only fought people who were out of my league)

After todays beating unless the Matchmaking improves I will be playing for the 1 bot win going forwards and basically just leave 3 battles, my account just cant compete with people who have been around that much longer than me.

Note: before seasons I loved live arena - was playing my 10 matches a day every day and enjoying every minute of it sure I won and lost matches but I never had streaks in which I needed to buy tokens just to hit 5 wins a day (I went 4/10 for free and ended at 5/15 after 10 diamonds

dthorne04Moderator
25 берез. 2025, 03:4625.03.25
30.12.20
6727
Mythanwyr

The problem is that the whole landscape has changed for Live Arena in just a couple of weeks

I went from being able to have a 50-60% win rate in gold 1-2 to having an 33% winrate today against all gold 4 and above people (but its ok I am still in gold 2 and havent lost any points because I can at least beat the bots they put me up against).

They need to fix the matchmaking, because unless people are buying tokens like crazy there wont actually be a gap big enough to allow people to get seasonal rewards as the point gaps are crazy that it is allowing 500+ point differences (which at my current winrate is 166.67 wins or 500 matches for me to get there).

Currently based on todays games to get the seasonal rewards I would need to play around 850 more matches which is 85 DAYS if I buy no tokens, but even if I bought every token going I would need to play 60+ matches a day to even have a chance to get the seasonal rewards (assuming my winrate doesnt continue to fall off a cliff), I actually upgraded my heroes yesterday (added 20 more speed, got my highest resist person to 650 and my winrate dropped another 7% because instead of fighting people closer to my tier like yesterday I only fought people who were out of my league)

After todays beating unless the Matchmaking improves I will be playing for the 1 bot win going forwards and basically just leave 3 battles, my account just cant compete with people who have been around that much longer than me.

Note: before seasons I loved live arena - was playing my 10 matches a day every day and enjoying every minute of it sure I won and lost matches but I never had streaks in which I needed to buy tokens just to hit 5 wins a day (I went 4/10 for free and ended at 5/15 after 10 diamonds

To preface: the feedback as it pertains to matchmaking has been sent in a few times now, this will get forwarded in as well.

From a constructive standpoint in game: best guess without seeing your roster and other builds is that with matchmaking being much more erratic due to seasonal points being used for matchups, you're hitting a very big wall for your account now. As well, 650 resist is sadly going to end up being quite a bit behind in the mythic meta since so many have ignore RES. It's basically 800+ RES or bust in higher end Gold Tag or Gold Live now that matchups can be so widespread in difficulty.