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11 лют. 2025, 03:5011.02.25
31.01.20
1338
ShortOnSkillz

You dont like the feature where your 1st fight is against someone 10000 MMR above you?

As I have written about in other threads, I think the match-making at the transitions is a horrible experience.  I was decimated for 4-5 days straight just trying to stay in G4, but once I finally strung together a few wins, I was able to climb out of that Cyclone of Chaos. That is just dumb.

When the top players in all of LA are due for an easy win, serve them up players in the 5000s, not players at 4802...  

11 лют. 2025, 04:1511.02.25
16.12.21
1646
WileyMan

If anyone can actaully lose 10 in a row, I wrote this line for them:  "Final thought:  If you can't beat the Bot Teams, find a different game because Raid is not for you."

Personally, I think my worst streak in G4 Live has been 7 losses in a row....on the flip side, I have had 8 wins in a row, and for that very brief span of time, I fantasized about snagging that fancy "Are You Not Entertained" Badge.


I've lost 9/10 in a day, but not consecutively. Think the most wins I've ever had is 8/10

(not counting days when I've used extra tokens from sin city)

ShortOnSkillzModerator
11 лют. 2025, 12:2411.02.25
24.06.19
2991
MooredRat

heh, my *second* fight today was against an OBV guy with +4 Ankora/Narses/Taras (only +3, loser)/Marischka


I was in the LA beta, and my very first fight ever was against a RAT guy who's spent approximately 1000 times as much money as I have 😂

Matchmaking has never been a strong suit of Plariums that's for sure.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
11 лют. 2025, 12:2611.02.25
24.06.19
2991
WileyMan

As I have written about in other threads, I think the match-making at the transitions is a horrible experience.  I was decimated for 4-5 days straight just trying to stay in G4, but once I finally strung together a few wins, I was able to climb out of that Cyclone of Chaos. That is just dumb.

When the top players in all of LA are due for an easy win, serve them up players in the 5000s, not players at 4802...  

Occasionally during my throws I'll get matched with someone around 3400 at level 75.  Just makes me think what a bad experience it would be for them if I was trying to win that fight.

11 лют. 2025, 15:1411.02.25
19.12.19
6677
MooredRat

Fair.

"Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position" -John Cleese :D

I think've we've all noticed from time to time that text can be hard to determine the level of emphasis and is widely open to interpretation that may or may not have been intended.

No need to apologize to me :)


I mean, you make a decent point about win rate being pushed towards 50/50 regardless, but I don't think what was intended by the devs is that every battle being massively one-sided, even if which side you're on evens out over time.


Fwiw, I do quit immediately, that 4 rares pick was Shorty's

(But maybe that's what you meant and I'm misinterpreting ;) )

"Every battle massively one sided"

Really?

Still waiting for any evidence (screenshot of 10 please lol)

And yes, some days the majority of 10 battles will be more one sided. Other days more evenly matched.  The average queue time would increase from 15 seconds to 15 minutes if additional constraints required to make EVERY single battle more closely matched.  No thanks.  

And I'm not concerned about everyone's initial struggle in G4, I'm guessing more free forfeit wins in g4 than anywhere else.


11 лют. 2025, 16:5111.02.25
16.12.21
1646
Trips

"Every battle massively one sided"

Really?

Still waiting for any evidence (screenshot of 10 please lol)

And yes, some days the majority of 10 battles will be more one sided. Other days more evenly matched.  The average queue time would increase from 15 seconds to 15 minutes if additional constraints required to make EVERY single battle more closely matched.  No thanks.  

And I'm not concerned about everyone's initial struggle in G4, I'm guessing more free forfeit wins in g4 than anywhere else.


I'm saying every battle is massively one-sided in that they arent remotely equal.

One person can stomp the other, who wouldn't make a scratch on thier team.


I'm not saying I'm always the one getting stomped, nor am I always the one doing the stomping, but about 90% of fights take around 15 seconds and usually one side doesn't get a turn at all.


To OVERsimplify: Imagine you had a single level 40 starter champ, decently geared. and half of your fights are against a naked level 1 version, and half of your fights are against a level 60 6*-blessed version with 8k attack 400 crit dam and 400 speed. Is the matchmaking working properly if roughly half your fights are against one, and half the other, and maybe once a week you go up against another level 40 with decent gear?


And sure, it's faster than every fight being a close contest. And that's a very good thing, especially for people who don't like doing it at all but would rather tolerate it for the rewards than missing out. Which I would wager is most of the people in there in the first place.


Have an anti-tournament, where for 3 days there are no rewards, it's not needed for quests, doesn't count for missions. See what that does to participation; if it goes down significantly, then you've got yourself a badly designed feature.

I note with some considerable cynicism the dev blog stated that IF live area season pass goes well, then they MIGHT put in unranked battles for fun.


Apologies to Wileyman for how far off the path this thread is getting.

11 лют. 2025, 18:1711.02.25
19.12.19
6677
MooredRat

I'm saying every battle is massively one-sided in that they arent remotely equal.

One person can stomp the other, who wouldn't make a scratch on thier team.


I'm not saying I'm always the one getting stomped, nor am I always the one doing the stomping, but about 90% of fights take around 15 seconds and usually one side doesn't get a turn at all.


To OVERsimplify: Imagine you had a single level 40 starter champ, decently geared. and half of your fights are against a naked level 1 version, and half of your fights are against a level 60 6*-blessed version with 8k attack 400 crit dam and 400 speed. Is the matchmaking working properly if roughly half your fights are against one, and half the other, and maybe once a week you go up against another level 40 with decent gear?


And sure, it's faster than every fight being a close contest. And that's a very good thing, especially for people who don't like doing it at all but would rather tolerate it for the rewards than missing out. Which I would wager is most of the people in there in the first place.


Have an anti-tournament, where for 3 days there are no rewards, it's not needed for quests, doesn't count for missions. See what that does to participation; if it goes down significantly, then you've got yourself a badly designed feature.

I note with some considerable cynicism the dev blog stated that IF live area season pass goes well, then they MIGHT put in unranked battles for fun.


Apologies to Wileyman for how far off the path this thread is getting.

I'm assuming u r in g4? 

I'd say half my battles are winnable by either side. That's good enough for me given that anyone proficient in pvp is gonna wipe my stale/slow builds.  

Can u clarify your anti tournament suggestion? Eliminate any reason to do something and you think people not doing it suggests poorly designed feature? Lol.  I wouldn't do any content where this was tested... lol


11 лют. 2025, 18:3911.02.25
16.12.21
1646
Trips

I'm assuming u r in g4? 

I'd say half my battles are winnable by either side. That's good enough for me given that anyone proficient in pvp is gonna wipe my stale/slow builds.  

Can u clarify your anti tournament suggestion? Eliminate any reason to do something and you think people not doing it suggests poorly designed feature? Lol.  I wouldn't do any content where this was tested... lol


I mean, it may shock you to learn that sometimes people do things for fun.

Unless you're a CC making money off of playing, I assume you don't have any reason to play this game other than you enjoy it.

There are many parts of this game I enjoy. I manual hydra and chimera, even if my clan won't make the top 3, because I enjoy it, and because I like trying to find ways to improve my personal best. And, admittedly, because I have a lot of free time. I like cvc, I like siege, *WHEN* it's a close match and we actually have to put in the effort to win, but it's just boring and lame to me when it's a massive no-contest blowout, even if we're on the winning side.

I finished my classic arena great hall long ago, it's been months since I kept a single divine piece, but I use all my classic arena tokens every day because I enjoy it.

I do live arena because I'm working on my area great hall, especially the sin city parts, because I enjoy doing sin city, and I'm getting close to clearing soulcross hard. But I also hate live arena, just not quite as much as I'd hate missing out on the medals, and the daily quests energy.

There are 5 clans in my cluster, about 120ish of us active on discord, and not a single person enjoys live arena. Not one.

11 лют. 2025, 20:0211.02.25
07.12.20
143

If u want to improve matchmaking in LA, just ban Komidus or better still ban anyone who owns a Komidus from LA, watching ur entire team get blown up within 10 secs gets tedious after a while

17 лют. 2025, 03:5117.02.25
31.01.20
1338

@Grumbledude 

Read this thread for help getting your Live Arena quest done.

17 лют. 2025, 13:1717.02.25
10.11.20
50

Entire Arena is a Farce IMHO .. Live I get matched against lvl 100 Whales all the time ,, I EXIT  ,, oh well

Tag Arena, i have been seeing teams with 1.2 MILLION vs my 550 team .. JOKE ,, exit for my 5 to get Faction

REG ARENA, Love the Whales and you can tell basically who the cashers are Team of 2 Mythics .. Exit

Team that has 3 or more with 6 star Souls casher or WHALE - EXIT 

Teams that have Elva Autumborn 98% casher .. - exit

Teams with ARMANZ ( have not found a Counter for his Perma Stun every turn ) - EXIT ....

Oh well, I will take the Losers to get on with other parts of the Game NP 

If you are Just Here for the PvP ,, you are Basically in the Wrong Game.. 

GO PLAY A PVP RPG SOMEPLACE !!

17 лют. 2025, 17:3217.02.25
17 лют. 2025, 18:57(відредаговано)
31.01.20
1338
Pierce Arrow

Entire Arena is a Farce IMHO .. Live I get matched against lvl 100 Whales all the time ,, I EXIT  ,, oh well

Tag Arena, i have been seeing teams with 1.2 MILLION vs my 550 team .. JOKE ,, exit for my 5 to get Faction

REG ARENA, Love the Whales and you can tell basically who the cashers are Team of 2 Mythics .. Exit

Team that has 3 or more with 6 star Souls casher or WHALE - EXIT 

Teams that have Elva Autumborn 98% casher .. - exit

Teams with ARMANZ ( have not found a Counter for his Perma Stun every turn ) - EXIT ....

Oh well, I will take the Losers to get on with other parts of the Game NP 

If you are Just Here for the PvP ,, you are Basically in the Wrong Game.. 

GO PLAY A PVP RPG SOMEPLACE !!

Well, if you are just here for the PVE, you are also in the wrong game.  Since the very beginning, Raid has had PVE and PVP connected, where advancement in one area is intended to help you progress in the other.  With the introduction of Siege last year, that connection became even deeper.  

17 лют. 2025, 20:3117.02.25
29.11.20
423

I almost never play LA... bronze iv when I should be in gold.  But when I do have time, doesn't seem to matter what time of day, it's time gated so I can't. 😂

17 лют. 2025, 21:0617.02.25
19.12.19
6677
chris

I almost never play LA... bronze iv when I should be in gold.  But when I do have time, doesn't seem to matter what time of day, it's time gated so I can't. 😂

While I agree the time restrictions are a problem (though much less so than prior and probably nonexistent for their target audience), the increased variance in matchmaking would probably lead to even more complaining... 

17 лют. 2025, 21:2217.02.25
29.11.20
423
Trips

While I agree the time restrictions are a problem (though much less so than prior and probably nonexistent for their target audience), the increased variance in matchmaking would probably lead to even more complaining... 

I'm at the point now where if I start playing a lot of my opponents will be very upset about matchmaking...

17 лют. 2025, 21:3817.02.25
19.12.19
6677
chris

I'm at the point now where if I start playing a lot of my opponents will be very upset about matchmaking...

Lol

I'm one of a few that thinks the matchmaking is damn good.

1. Matches within tier 99.9% of time (i get a random really low level once in a blue moon)

2. Queue time seems to have significantly improved

3. I win about 50% of matches (i do forfeit often)

Since everyone eventually will get to gold, and anyone making any effort gold 4, I do forsee an eventual g5 or platinum which will be a true bloodbath I will avoid like the plague. 

Afk does seem less of a problem, though i think being forced full auto on 1 timeout in drafting or playing still should be implemented. 

18 лют. 2025, 02:1218.02.25
31.01.20
1338
chris

I'm at the point now where if I start playing a lot of my opponents will be very upset about matchmaking...

I have a clanmate who finally just decided to start playing Live Arena more frerquently. He posted a screenshot of 10/10 wins yesterday.  His opponents in S2 don't much like his Siegfrund, Galathir, Odin, Armanz picks.    

ShortOnSkillzModerator
18 лют. 2025, 14:3618.02.25
24.06.19
2991
WileyMan

I have a clanmate who finally just decided to start playing Live Arena more frerquently. He posted a screenshot of 10/10 wins yesterday.  His opponents in S2 don't much like his Siegfrund, Galathir, Odin, Armanz picks.    

I refuse to believe they don't enjoy it.

19 лют. 2025, 21:5219.02.25
19.02.25
1

Today was my second attempt at the "LiveArena".  It only made me more tired of it than the first time.  I , for one, will always throw my champs under the buss and lose every battle that I am forced to participate in.  Not angry, just so sad to see a good idea taken to a less than worthy end.  The time spent waiting on an opponent, waiting for the selections, and waiting for the opponent to make his moves, leaves me worn out and  feeling used.  If the Dev's really think this is fun, then they can take my account and try to win a round.  I know I am not the smartest human, yet I have been able to get to this point by some sort of accident.  And the comment that "If you can't beat this you should find another game" is a little unsettling.  Are the driving forces of this company wanting all the players to quit, so they won have to deal with them.  They need to remember that as players go away, so does the money.  I still think it takes money coming in to keep the lights on, doors open, and the paychecks coming in.  What is laughable is that when companies get to doing well, they start to find their patrons as foes, not friends, and there is sence of that in all of the communications coming from on high at Plarium.

1 квіт. 2025, 04:5001.04.25
31.01.20
1338

@SirMichaelJ The match-making is different now that we are into Live Arena Season 1; however, the Bot teams are still there and now they are in Gold as well.  If you lose three fights in a Row, you will get a Bot team. That does not necessarily mean you will be able to beat the Bot team, but they are there to give people a chance at easier wins to still be able to advance.

Bot Teams will not have a clan, and if you look at their player profile, it will be mostly empty:

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