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Hydra AI still not working correctly?!?!

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11 січ. 2025, 23:1611.01.25
31.01.20
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Hydra AI still not working correctly?!?!

I am running my Hydra battles on auto this week since we are tanking and I happened to watch some parts of the fights.

I watched:

(1) Fahrakin do an Ally Attack agaisnt a head with Serpent's Will when there was a decap head and a regular head available to target.

(2) Varl use his A3 against a target with Serpent's Will when there was a decapitated head available to target.

(3) Varl use his A3 against a Magic head when there was a Spirit head available.

(4) Varl target a Magic head with Poison Cloud when there was a Decap head and a Regular head available.

(5) Fahrakin do an Ally Attack against a head with Reflect Damage up while there were two decapitated heads that could have been targeted.    

I thought all this nonsensical AI Behavior was supposed to be fixed a few months ago?

This all happened in a span of 5 minutes or so.

No, I do not have video, but with this many things going wrong in that amount of time, there is no way that Plarium is not aware that the Hydra AI is still jacked up. 

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dthorne04Moderator
12 січ. 2025, 00:0112.01.25
30.12.20
6727

Don't need a video on this one, it's in known bugs on discord.

tl;dr another update that broke stuff

12 січ. 2025, 01:3612.01.25
01.07.22
699
dthorne04

Don't need a video on this one, it's in known bugs on discord.

tl;dr another update that broke stuff

Ok good because the only mention I saw was:

"We've noticed that after the update 10.10, certain Champions stopped prioritizing attacking Heads that are digesting their teammates or Exposed necks in auto-battle mode. We'll fix these AI behavior deviations in future updates."

So it didn't sound like they were aware of the extent of the AI issues

dthorne04Moderator
13 січ. 2025, 22:2813.01.25
30.12.20
6727
Onikage55

Ok good because the only mention I saw was:

"We've noticed that after the update 10.10, certain Champions stopped prioritizing attacking Heads that are digesting their teammates or Exposed necks in auto-battle mode. We'll fix these AI behavior deviations in future updates."

So it didn't sound like they were aware of the extent of the AI issues

Yeah, it just seems like in general AI quality degraded heavily after this update. Have seen quite a few reports of confusing (and outright bad) decisions.

14 січ. 2025, 18:5614.01.25
19.12.19
6634
dthorne04

Yeah, it just seems like in general AI quality degraded heavily after this update. Have seen quite a few reports of confusing (and outright bad) decisions.

I'm convinced they will never get hydra "right" at this point.   Only solution is to flatten clash rewards 1 thru 5 so it becomes irrelevant.  Then add auto complete.  We can all just focus on chimera and pvp.

Relegate hydra to legacy content with demon lord, classic, 3v3, dungeons.... 


dthorne04Moderator
14 січ. 2025, 19:4414.01.25
30.12.20
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Trips

I'm convinced they will never get hydra "right" at this point.   Only solution is to flatten clash rewards 1 thru 5 so it becomes irrelevant.  Then add auto complete.  We can all just focus on chimera and pvp.

Relegate hydra to legacy content with demon lord, classic, 3v3, dungeons.... 


I think it's possible to get it right but it certainly seems to be going the way of older content and features in this game - in that over time focus just seems to dwindle over time. Typically we're used to seeing this in improvements but now maintenance is an ongoing struggle.

Once auto complete arrives it's just deuces for me. Would much rather mess around with Chimera teams/builds & Arena, then call it a day.

15 січ. 2025, 03:2715.01.25
01.07.22
699
Trips

I'm convinced they will never get hydra "right" at this point.   Only solution is to flatten clash rewards 1 thru 5 so it becomes irrelevant.  Then add auto complete.  We can all just focus on chimera and pvp.

Relegate hydra to legacy content with demon lord, classic, 3v3, dungeons.... 


Maybe we should treat this as the new Hydra Meta. As soon as there's a patch, get in there to find out what's broken/exploitable asap. Keeps things interesting at least, and by interesting I mean aggrivating and sad

15 січ. 2025, 04:4815.01.25
03.05.20
1924

I am glad that I read this.  I was about to reopen my Hydra thread to get some help.  Now, I can save time and resources not gearing any other champs for Hydra.  

15 січ. 2025, 05:0615.01.25
01.07.22
699
ClosedPoly

I am glad that I read this.  I was about to reopen my Hydra thread to get some help.  Now, I can save time and resources not gearing any other champs for Hydra.  

Sadly it just means we can't run on auto right now. I mean you can but...

For example, this week with the current bugs my Auto NM runs were getting about 100 mil dmg. Doing it manual I got 380 mil. Since the "Rebalance" it's usually about 50% less doing it on auto. Right now it's 1/3rd of the manual damage :(

15 січ. 2025, 05:5815.01.25
03.05.20
1924
Onikage55

Sadly it just means we can't run on auto right now. I mean you can but...

For example, this week with the current bugs my Auto NM runs were getting about 100 mil dmg. Doing it manual I got 380 mil. Since the "Rebalance" it's usually about 50% less doing it on auto. Right now it's 1/3rd of the manual damage :(

I run on auto but use the red dot to compensate for obvious AI issues.  Now, that is even worse.  The "fix" was supposed to make sure AI was better.  I dont have any trust that Plarium will ever fix Hydra.  Until, they do, I wont waste resources building teams for it.  

15 січ. 2025, 08:1315.01.25
01.07.22
699
ClosedPoly

I run on auto but use the red dot to compensate for obvious AI issues.  Now, that is even worse.  The "fix" was supposed to make sure AI was better.  I dont have any trust that Plarium will ever fix Hydra.  Until, they do, I wont waste resources building teams for it.  

oh for sure, save your silver and free gear removal tokens. If you don't have the time to do a 45+ min run, that's totally understandable. Somehow I had a great week with Brutal also. The Suffering head being Force actually gave my Magic DPS (Thor, Trunda and Ninja) more survival since they were weak-hitting his reflect damage. I was concerned because Uugo is my main block buffs and Poison is also Force, so getting it on Suffering and Poison was tricky. Rian stepped up as the MVP for block buffs on his A1 so that was nice.


15 січ. 2025, 08:3915.01.25
16.12.21
1596
Onikage55

oh for sure, save your silver and free gear removal tokens. If you don't have the time to do a 45+ min run, that's totally understandable. Somehow I had a great week with Brutal also. The Suffering head being Force actually gave my Magic DPS (Thor, Trunda and Ninja) more survival since they were weak-hitting his reflect damage. I was concerned because Uugo is my main block buffs and Poison is also Force, so getting it on Suffering and Poison was tricky. Rian stepped up as the MVP for block buffs on his A1 so that was nice.


Rian stepped up as the MVP for block buffs on his A1 so that was nice. 


Ugir the Wyrmeater is also a *really* good hydra support champ

15 січ. 2025, 09:3915.01.25
01.07.22
699
MooredRat

Rian stepped up as the MVP for block buffs on his A1 so that was nice. 


Ugir the Wyrmeater is also a *really* good hydra support champ

Yeah I skipped his fusion unfortunately... sadly he's one of the few skipped fusions I didn't end up pulling like a month or two afterward. Also I think Rian's A1 block buffs isn't tied to the hit itself so it can still place on Poison Cloud

15 січ. 2025, 10:2415.01.25
08.07.19
1027
Onikage55

Yeah I skipped his fusion unfortunately... sadly he's one of the few skipped fusions I didn't end up pulling like a month or two afterward. Also I think Rian's A1 block buffs isn't tied to the hit itself so it can still place on Poison Cloud

hate to be the bearer of bad news, but her block buffs is absolutely tied to the attack.

15 січ. 2025, 19:4515.01.25
01.07.22
699
Carpe_Piscis

hate to be the bearer of bad news, but her block buffs is absolutely tied to the attack.

well then at least affinitybreaker is still an option, hence why I have a setup with AB for my Uugo on my other team lol

15 січ. 2025, 21:1015.01.25
03.05.20
1924
Onikage55

oh for sure, save your silver and free gear removal tokens. If you don't have the time to do a 45+ min run, that's totally understandable. Somehow I had a great week with Brutal also. The Suffering head being Force actually gave my Magic DPS (Thor, Trunda and Ninja) more survival since they were weak-hitting his reflect damage. I was concerned because Uugo is my main block buffs and Poison is also Force, so getting it on Suffering and Poison was tricky. Rian stepped up as the MVP for block buffs on his A1 so that was nice.


I have the time but I dont enjoy doing a long manual battle.  Hyrda now is on auto with me manually using the red dot.  I am doing things the AI should be doing.   

16 січ. 2025, 00:4816.01.25
16 січ. 2025, 03:00(відредаговано)
01.07.22
699
Carpe_Piscis

hate to be the bearer of bad news, but her block buffs is absolutely tied to the attack.

 I just tried and Rian (without affinitybreaker) landed Block Buffs on a Poison Cloud Protected Head

EDIT: Ok turns out HP Burn nullifies the effects of Poison Cloud. Never knew that.

16 січ. 2025, 01:1516.01.25
01.07.22
699
dthorne04

I think it's possible to get it right but it certainly seems to be going the way of older content and features in this game - in that over time focus just seems to dwindle over time. Typically we're used to seeing this in improvements but now maintenance is an ongoing struggle.

Once auto complete arrives it's just deuces for me. Would much rather mess around with Chimera teams/builds & Arena, then call it a day.

Figured you'd be interested in this because it confirms what I was saying in the previous post. Suffering, who is Negative Affinity to Ninja, gets HP Burn re-applied with his A2 through Poison Cloud and since it's tied to the hit itself, that shouldn't be possible right?

https://youtu.be/eMbN6SC1jNc

dthorne04Moderator
16 січ. 2025, 01:4916.01.25
30.12.20
6727
Onikage55

Figured you'd be interested in this because it confirms what I was saying in the previous post. Suffering, who is Negative Affinity to Ninja, gets HP Burn re-applied with his A2 through Poison Cloud and since it's tied to the hit itself, that shouldn't be possible right?

https://youtu.be/eMbN6SC1jNc

about 99% you're wrong on this one as an HP buff placed before cloud negates the effects of it here

16 січ. 2025, 01:5716.01.25
16.12.21
1596

Burn debuff*

dthorne04Moderator
16 січ. 2025, 01:5716.01.25
30.12.20
6727
MooredRat

Burn debuff*

oi i'm making dinner over here but yes that 

and yeah, hp burn before cloud means we can do the deboofs.