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Champion Pass - buyable champs sets a terrible precedent

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ShortOnSkillzModerator
9 листоп. 2023, 23:0209.11.23
24.06.19
3547
harleQuinn

Sir, this forum is for rioting, not clearly thought out entitlement-free statements. Also, no saying the game is F2P friendly.... Even if both of us and my buddy @ShortOnSkillz are F2P and do just fine. :D

Fake F2P surely.  Game is only P2W.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
9 листоп. 2023, 23:0309.11.23
24.06.19
3547
PriestGuardian

If this Battle Pass will apply to Plarium Play and PC users as well as mobile I am all in on this

will buy  one for my account and  my wifes

+1  RAID

All signs seem to indicate that would be case.  Original Battle Pass and Forge Pass have always been available for both.  I'm still waiting to see contents and cost before deciding for myself.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
9 листоп. 2023, 23:0509.11.23
24.06.19
3547
Shibb

If it starts to be a situation where $50 can buy you insane "S" level champions then I will start getting concerned. Right now the disparity between a whale and a non whale is pretty insane so they just are not who I see or compete against. If a sizable chunk of the player base can start paying to win instead of a small population then the game will get unfun for me. I will hit a wall that I cannot get past. I am ok to spend a little here and there but I am not willing to spend $50 on a semi-regular basis. 


Right now it is pretty well ballanced. Someone can put together a somewhat competitive PvP team with Scyl, Ronda, WuKong, and UKD,... all of which can be gotten for free. It isn't going to be the best PvP team in the world but it can be competitive. If you have been around long enough to have Ninja you could actually put together a pretty solid PvP team with FTP champions. 


If someone though can start dropping $50 every couple of months to buy a Siphi, Yumeko, or Worlord type champion that really unballances things. I hope that never happens. 

I seriously doubt it ever will.  Those champs are way way too valuable to ever "sold" in such a manner.  At least in my opinion.

10 листоп. 2023, 03:5510.11.23
03.06.23
70

Been gaming since the 70's on computers.  Been a member of gaming comunities since the 70's...  I know one thing for sure...  Whatever cheating is "allowed" will be all the game is in a decade or two.  I've seen it over and over.  Cheats just take over gaming communities.  

That's my only concern with spending money on any game in realtime.  It always leads to RMT and eventually everyone just cheats to play... Whatever the cheat is.   It just takes over the game and takes the game away from the developers and remakes the game in the cheats' image.  

Just saying...  The real issue with money and gaming is it drives RMT which drives cheating, which takes the game away from the developer and also takes the value of ALL the gaming companies game item sales.  

Why pay for Multi-Battles?   Why would anyone do that and why would anyone attempt to sell Multi-battles as a thing of value?  When multi-battles are a detriment compared to the free and better alternative.  


10 листоп. 2023, 06:5510.11.23
10 листоп. 2023, 07:06(відредаговано)
19.11.22
619

The Champion Pass is potentially a great idea, presuming the price is reasonable. If they price it low enough a lot of people will subscribe to the pass just to collect the champion; priced too high and players will simply question whether the champ is worth getting, and only a minority may end up buying the pass.

10 листоп. 2023, 08:2610.11.23
28.02.22
274

OK, so basically the complaint is that if you spend you can get a guaranteed champion - so what?  In what way does that impact on you or any ftp player?  doctor_blur has spent money on the game, no doubt has all the champions us ftp would love just one of, so what does it matter if they spend more and get this one?

There wouldn't be a game without the spenders, and they aren't spending to win, it's a progression game, spenders reach the end goals quicker - why they want to do that I don't know, but that's their choice, ftp get there as well but it takes a lot longer.  

The 'hits' as ftp can be great also, I've been playing some 3 years and my void puls have been few and far between, pretty poor when I have got a void lego but i pulled warlord the other day and the buzz from that was great

10 листоп. 2023, 09:0810.11.23
06.11.21
89
8675309

Been gaming since the 70's on computers.  Been a member of gaming comunities since the 70's...  I know one thing for sure...  Whatever cheating is "allowed" will be all the game is in a decade or two.  I've seen it over and over.  Cheats just take over gaming communities.  

That's my only concern with spending money on any game in realtime.  It always leads to RMT and eventually everyone just cheats to play... Whatever the cheat is.   It just takes over the game and takes the game away from the developers and remakes the game in the cheats' image.  

Just saying...  The real issue with money and gaming is it drives RMT which drives cheating, which takes the game away from the developer and also takes the value of ALL the gaming companies game item sales.  

Why pay for Multi-Battles?   Why would anyone do that and why would anyone attempt to sell Multi-battles as a thing of value?  When multi-battles are a detriment compared to the free and better alternative.  


then you realize the end is approaching. I've seen this more than once.

10 листоп. 2023, 09:4010.11.23
08.10.17
1185

$85 for a legendary and all the rewards with it instantly......Yep I bought  it ;)

10 листоп. 2023, 09:5010.11.23
03.06.23
70

"They aren't spending to win, it's a progression game, spenders reach the end goals quicker - why they want to do that I don't know, but that's their choice, ftp get there as well but it takes a lot longer."

Anyone else played a ton of games like this?  Have you found the above statement to be perpeturted by the games developers from the get go but never seen any truth to it in any end game, ever.  I you have found it to be true, please, point that gaming model out to me because, I've never seen it.  

It reminds me of the "Monty Python" Dead Parrot sketch.

   


10 листоп. 2023, 10:4210.11.23
10 листоп. 2023, 10:48(відредаговано)
03.05.20
2042

I cant find any rating information from HH or Ayumi to help me determine the value of Xena.  I havent seen the community discuss her skill set as we usually do with any new champ.  What am I missing?

The amount of DEF ignored increases progressively.  Damage is based on Attack.  The more buffs on the enemy the more DEF is ignored and the more damage is done.  Which type battle types will this champ have the most value?



EDIT:  Added comments about DEF and Attack.  


10 листоп. 2023, 11:0610.11.23
10 листоп. 2023, 11:09(відредаговано)
19.11.22
619

Pricing seems reasonable - £40 for a new leggo? Will be happy to buy her for Christmas. :)

No idea why anyone FTP is complaining - you get free stuff and a sacred just for playing - for free. 

Sad, really, how many people think nothing of paying $60 for the latest Call of Duty, which they'll play for less than a month in total, but gripe about paying anything for Raid even though when they play it everyday for years. :)


EDIT: Btw, she looks really cool - they've done a great job with her. :)

10 листоп. 2023, 11:4310.11.23
14.09.20
1020
Fathertron

Pricing seems reasonable - £40 for a new leggo? Will be happy to buy her for Christmas. :)

No idea why anyone FTP is complaining - you get free stuff and a sacred just for playing - for free. 

Sad, really, how many people think nothing of paying $60 for the latest Call of Duty, which they'll play for less than a month in total, but gripe about paying anything for Raid even though when they play it everyday for years. :)


EDIT: Btw, she looks really cool - they've done a great job with her. :)

Hmm, you are employed by Plarium?

10 листоп. 2023, 11:5610.11.23
12.12.19
2
Trips

Most business treat their customers better/different than non customers (that's us f2p).  To expect anything different is beyond rational. The fact that nothing in the game is gated (paywalled) demonstrates how f2p friendly the game WAS (currently still is imo).  The shift will continue in the perks for pay area both directly and indirectly.  Attracting new freeloaders is no longer any part of the strategy.  New spenders > old timer f2p never gonna spend.

I get what you're saying, but here's my take: It's like in games such as Counter-Strike or Fortnite, where the rules are clear – you only spend cash on cool looks, not on getting ahead in the game. Everyone's on the same position, and it's all about how good you are. That's how it should be. If you're smart with your in-game resources in Raid, you'd naturally get ahead faster than someone who isn't as careful. I think all countries should lay down the law like this for all games out there. This way, throwing money at a game to get ahead – would be off the table.

I know, I know – in a place where everyone's used to paying their way in Raid (and I've done my share, too), this might sound like a dream. But deep down, nobody can honestly say that the way things are set up now is fair. A game should be about fun, not who spends the most cash.

10 листоп. 2023, 12:1110.11.23
19.11.22
619
Matrim

Hmm, you are employed by Plarium?

No, why, are you employed by one of Plarium's rivals?

harleQuinnModerator
10 листоп. 2023, 12:2610.11.23
24.02.19
8091
Matrim

Hmm, you are employed by Plarium?

Cut it out, Matrim. Other people having a different opinion than you is more than allowed.

10 листоп. 2023, 12:4610.11.23
26.05.22
614

Well this seems like a pretty damn good champion for Arena for those that pile on the buffs. 

10 листоп. 2023, 12:5410.11.23
28.02.22
274
8675309

"They aren't spending to win, it's a progression game, spenders reach the end goals quicker - why they want to do that I don't know, but that's their choice, ftp get there as well but it takes a lot longer."

Anyone else played a ton of games like this?  Have you found the above statement to be perpeturted by the games developers from the get go but never seen any truth to it in any end game, ever.  I you have found it to be true, please, point that gaming model out to me because, I've never seen it.  

It reminds me of the "Monty Python" Dead Parrot sketch.

   


OK genius, explain how someone else spending money impacts on you or your gameplay?

Well, apart from the fact if there weren't spenders there would be no game

10 листоп. 2023, 13:0410.11.23
26.05.22
614

Incidentally, I have worked in the corporate world enough to see that between this and the other event to get a champion the company is trying to make their 4th quarter earnings goals. Nothing wrong with that... it is just what they are doing. All companies, if they are coming up a little short will run promotions towards the end of their 4th quarter to make their year end, quarter end, and month end numbers. 

10 листоп. 2023, 13:1910.11.23
10 листоп. 2023, 13:28(відредаговано)
19.11.22
619
Shibb

Well this seems like a pretty damn good champion for Arena for those that pile on the buffs. 

I'm looking forward to trying her out for waves, especially some of the more annoying DT levels; also Hydra as a secondary DPS. Just a shame her A2 and A3 don't apply to debuffs as well as buffs otherwise she'd be mental. :)

10 листоп. 2023, 13:2310.11.23
16.12.21
2044

I have a *minor* objection about only being able to get her by paying, or getting extremely lucky in a limited time window to pull her from a prism shard summon pool, and then never having a chance again if you missed it.

Same goes for Ninja and Ronda, except you only had to be playing for them.


I'm all for games selling cosmetic stuff, something I think plarium honestly should be doing a lot more of, or convenience stuff that just saves grinding time. I do not like stuff that affects gameplay that can only be gotten by spending cash. This game is a lot less pvp focused than most, so it isn't as much of a big deal here