The only problem with this update, as with all previous updates, is that Stormfall players have forgotten that this is supposed to be a long term strategy game.

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Snowgoon said:

The only problem with this update, as with all previous updates, is that Stormfall players have forgotten that this is supposed to be a long term strategy game.

long term is fine. im even good with grinding...if it lets me keep up with coiners. 

Ditto with Ironplex.   When coiners can be completely maxed out in a single day if they choose to do so, then its not a long term strategy game....even if there was actually any strategy left in this so called 'game'.

IronApex said:

Snowgoon said:

The only problem with this update, as with all previous updates, is that Stormfall players have forgotten that this is supposed to be a long term strategy game.

long term is fine. im even good with grinding...if it lets me keep up with coiners. 

but all these new features has my pastime starting to feel like work, and in the end, i still have to coin if i want to compete. 

There is long term and there is long term. If you look at most mmo's out there... your activity in the game and time you spend on it, is the deciding factor for your progression and skill/level up.. You as a player get a sense of achievement and progression. If all there had been in Stormfall was progression based on you level up , fine.. but it isn't..  First you have the abysmal long time it take to train lost arts, not to forget the time it can take to get the scrolls to do so as well. Then you can try play carefully and safeguard to best your ability not lose to much troops by mistake or at least not intentional by take a chance. If you get wiped out, its a punch to the gut and you watch weeks, months worth of work go down the drain. We asked for faster unit training times many times over so players can bounce back faster, but the answer is always the same. In name of balance that is not possible. But it is if you willing to spend enough, because then balance is not a issue. No wonder why so few stays around in this game. 

A game need to be fun and entertaining, keep your ass in the seat and in front of the screen. Log in for 15 mins a day and queue up some troops and whatever rudimental tasks. Jay, great value.... Long waiting times before something happen is the worst you can put on a player. Then pay wall it so you can spend to make things happen just about instant as long as you spend ludacris amount of cash. Yeah great selling argument for a game that. 

Belittle the players that can't afford to take part in the spending race. Plarium sucker punch us with lines such as "oh you can make the same, by spending time and effort and grinding in game and winning in tournament and so on"... yeah, kinda SOL on that, as most tournaments the people at top spent their way to get there. The end game of this game is to compete in spending. Nothing long term in that. 

I'm all for Plarium to give us something to do when you maxed lost arts and most of your building levels. But at the cost of climbing pay wall after pay wall and watching progress timers snail ahead unless you spend even more. That is not great game play or value. 

Also there is no strategy when cash trumps all... To throw out a quote "a strange game" in which "the only winning move is not to play.". And you can see this by players just build units and throw them in their catacombs, not willing to take much risks. 

And before people throw at me for just want everything for free. I'm not. I'm for sensible spending and cost. I don't like a sandbox that is influences of real world spending. It should been govern by the time and effort the players put it. imho spending belongs to vanity and quality of life which people who put in the time and effort should be able to compete with. Heck I wouldn't mind it became a sub model and paid like 10 a month or so for it if all the pay 2 win crap got removed. 

It's not lack of watching progress bars for a few more years that keep old players to leave this game. Its lack of actual things to do in the game 

I've noticed that stoneheart bg work slightly different to the normal bg in how they pay, I'm just upgrading my buildings slowly and still finishing off the last of my upgrades for my normal lost arts, yeah I'm probably a bit behind some of the players here but I survive and do well in the game. 

Probably the 1 thing might need to be changed in Stoneheart is the part where the gargoyle can give a chance take away 75% bonuses of the enemy's defense force points, as it makes the game even more unbalanced in the favour of offense but apart from that  I'm enjoying having buildings to upgrade again finally 

Futrikelv said:

Alina Phoenix said:

gogo tyrant god said:

well stoneheart Castle is no benefit to non coiners and is pointless to New players and non coiners for what takes and requires to use and Upgrade building just another coining feature by the way if Wondering i'am a coiner and a big spender and plarium vip but even i as all those Things won't be spending any Money or Sapphires on this anytime soon not that i can't just that i dont want too bad move plarium bad update even worser if you are a New player and non coiner and worse of all they don't have catacombs as well meaning that troops can be killed easily by big hammers that not problem for me i can defeat big hammers but new players and non coiners can't by the way it is pointless to add this update anyway as the Death of this game Draw ever closer to imploding as this game is basically at Death door so this update was pointless at this stage of the game as where it is now and where it is going and heading  as i said bad move plarium bad update this is

All players have Catacombs no matter whether they're new or not, using the in-game purchases or not.

And Stoneherat Castle doesn't give you the opportunity to kill Units in Catacombs. Raid Resources - yes, but don't kill Units.

I get conflicting information yet again. So with my level 26 catacombs (that I paid dearly for) my resources are not safe (and one perk being(up too 70.000 gold,iron and food))? or is it like my VIP rep said and I quote "In case of "Catacomb Raid" ability the resources will be provided by the game."

I need to know who is right in this matter.

Hello!

I'm sorry for a confusing information you received from your VIP agent (I already discussed it with VIP team).

But when an enemy raids Catacombs, your Resources are lost, they're not provided by the game.

Christine Hare said:

I've noticed that stoneheart bg work slightly different to the normal bg in how they pay, I'm just upgrading my buildings slowly and still finishing off the last of my upgrades for my normal lost arts, yeah I'm probably a bit behind some of the players here but I survive and do well in the game. 

Probably the 1 thing might need to be changed in Stoneheart is the part where the gargoyle can give a chance take away 75% bonuses of the enemy's defense force points, as it makes the game even more unbalanced in the favour of offense but apart from that  I'm enjoying having buildings to upgrade again finally 

Hello, Christine!

Thanks for sharing your experience on playing Stoneheart Castle 

As for your feedback on Gargoyles, I will forward it to devs.  

Alina Phoenix said:

Futrikelv said:

Alina Phoenix said:

gogo tyrant god said:

well stoneheart Castle is no benefit to non coiners and is pointless to New players and non coiners for what takes and requires to use and Upgrade building just another coining feature by the way if Wondering i'am a coiner and a big spender and plarium vip but even i as all those Things won't be spending any Money or Sapphires on this anytime soon not that i can't just that i dont want too bad move plarium bad update even worser if you are a New player and non coiner and worse of all they don't have catacombs as well meaning that troops can be killed easily by big hammers that not problem for me i can defeat big hammers but new players and non coiners can't by the way it is pointless to add this update anyway as the Death of this game Draw ever closer to imploding as this game is basically at Death door so this update was pointless at this stage of the game as where it is now and where it is going and heading  as i said bad move plarium bad update this is

All players have Catacombs no matter whether they're new or not, using the in-game purchases or not.

And Stoneherat Castle doesn't give you the opportunity to kill Units in Catacombs. Raid Resources - yes, but don't kill Units.

I get conflicting information yet again. So with my level 26 catacombs (that I paid dearly for) my resources are not safe (and one perk being(up too 70.000 gold,iron and food))? or is it like my VIP rep said and I quote "In case of "Catacomb Raid" ability the resources will be provided by the game."

I need to know who is right in this matter.

Hello!

I'm sorry for a confusing information you received from your VIP agent (I already discussed it with VIP team).

But when an enemy raids Catacombs, your Resources are lost, they're not provided by the game.

Still, you always can Raid Resources from your enemies as well

Great, one perk less for the Catacombs, what will be the next?? Not even sure what I paid for anymore.

While we're on the subject, change the wording of this text? Will for sure avoid confusion in the future. Word "safely" for resources, I don't think so.

Hmmmmmm as I said before, many many long term players complained over and over about how they can't compete in any of the tourneys that involve building upgrades and lost arts upgrades because they already have everything upgraded, now here we have a new inner castle, with lost arts and buildings to upgrade in these tourneys and some still arn't happy

If your not happy about aspects of the new castle, instead of being so down and negative about it in how your trying to get your point across to the CM and Plarium, why not give constructive thoughts on what you would like to see changed with the new castle. 

Plarium listens to constructive postive ideas, I know for 2 things I would like to be able to raid castles for this new resource not just the standard gold, iron and food, also I would like to see a 2nd sage dedicated to only upgrading of the stoneheart lost arts, and 3rd as ive seen mentioned on this forum, being able to trade Adamantine on the market

Hmmmmmm as I said before, many many long term players complained over and over about how they can't compete in any of the tourneys that involve building upgrades and lost arts upgrades because they already have everything upgraded, now here we have a new inner castle, with lost arts and buildings to upgrade in these tourneys and some still arn't happy

If your not happy about aspects of the new castle, instead of being so down and negative about it in how your trying to get your point across to the CM and Plarium, why not give constructive thoughts on what you would like to see changed with the new castle. 

Plarium listens to constructive postive ideas, I know for 2 things I would like to be able to raid castles for this new resource not just the standard gold, iron and food, also I would like to see a 2nd sage dedicated to only upgrading of the stoneheart lost arts, and 3rd as ive seen mentioned on this forum, being able to trade Adamantine on the market

Christine Hare said:

I know it can be tough to be constructive in a positive manner on changes we do not like, but it really is the only way any of us have a chance to get things changed in the game that we do not like with any of their new features, I think on the road map the next 1 is improvement to beacons so it makes them more lucrative to keep, I have no idea what is in store here and I am very sure there will be aspects of that update that many of us will not like or want so it really is important to think of how to word it in a constructive positive way so we have a chance of Plarium listening to us and make the necessary changes

Don't get me wrong, Stoneheart is nice addition. Changes of older mechanics (without notice/patch notes) that you paid up too 6.000 sketches for, that is something else. Not to mention other free stuff they removed.Here is one, free recall (except for resources) is gone. Now you have to use Instant Recall scrolls, even during the first minute of a recall.

I haven't put my troops, but a few key troops to lvl 32 in Lost Arts. I fear, one day they will increase that again for a new stream of cash.

Christine Hare said:

We suffered the same thing on the facebook server, no free recall before the first 30 seconds but that 1 may be a bug I will ask about it

It's not a bug. I did check with my VIP rep, response was: The free recalls were canceled with the Stoneheart update, I am afraid.

Christine Hare said:

Thats sad I really do hope they reconsider that 1 because it has always been there, and yes, I had no free 30 seconds or less recall for sending troops out, my vans however I still had the free recall  to cancel them with my 100k raids

Yes, that's not a bug. Devs had to remove this feature to get one of Stoneheart Lost Arts working properly :(

Alina Phoenix said:

Christine Hare said:

Thats sad I really do hope they reconsider that 1 because it has always been there, and yes, I had no free 30 seconds or less recall for sending troops out, my vans however I still had the free recall  to cancel them with my 100k raids

Yes, that's not a bug. Devs had to remove this feature to get one of Stoneheart Lost Arts working properly :(

As for Caravans, you still can cancel them for free, this change doesn't affect them.

Then get rid of that SH Art.  I don't care which one it is.  Get rid of it and restore the free cancel.   If they really want that SH Art, then figure out a way to make it work without getting rid of something else.

BTW, its STILL a bug.   The explanation given implies that the devs didn't mean to do it, but they felt they had no choice.    That is STILL a bug...just one they refuse to fix.

Christine Hare said:

Hmmmmmm as I said before, many many long term players complained over and over about how they can't compete in any of the tourneys that involve building upgrades and lost arts upgrades because they already have everything upgraded, now here we have a new inner castle, with lost arts and buildings to upgrade in these tourneys and some still arn't happy

If your not happy about aspects of the new castle, instead of being so down and negative about it in how your trying to get your point across to the CM and Plarium, why not give constructive thoughts on what you would like to see changed with the new castle. 

Plarium listens to constructive postive ideas, I know for 2 things I would like to be able to raid castles for this new resource not just the standard gold, iron and food, also I would like to see a 2nd sage dedicated to only upgrading of the stoneheart lost arts, and 3rd as ive seen mentioned on this forum, being able to trade Adamantine on the market

Do we need to hold the devs hand and talk nice to them to make them feel better?   They can not handle negative criticism of their product?  SERIOUSLY?    We're negative because of their BS moves.    Those of us who have spent real money here are getting RIPPED OFF with these NERF updates and we are PISSED OFF about it.

The constructive thoughts on what we would like to see changed are IN THE NEGATIVE criticism.  Reversing a new change is still a change.   Its just changing what was changed back to where it was before.   Its very difficult to be positive when we want a recent change REVERSED or REMOVED.    If we were positive about the change, why in the hell would we want it GONE?

Yes, I'm in a bad mood.   I'm tired of every single update just adding more crap to do without actually adding anything to do.   They just keep adding more things to click on without actually adding anything to DO.   The NERFS to things I've paid for pretty much means I can no longer trust the devs to leave high sapphire items alone, which means spending is now pointless.

I'll say it again....development tournaments are very, very stupid,  No game anywhere should EVER have development tournaments.  They have nothing to do with gameplay and only lead to a bunch of whining and complaining from players that can no longer compete in them....which means the devs will feel as though they need to add more crap to develop instead of adding more gameplay interaction, which means new players will never attain the ability to compete with old players...which signs the game's death warrant.

Aegon Targaryen said:

Alina Phoenix said:

Christine Hare said:

Thats sad I really do hope they reconsider that 1 because it has always been there, and yes, I had no free 30 seconds or less recall for sending troops out, my vans however I still had the free recall  to cancel them with my 100k raids

Yes, that's not a bug. Devs had to remove this feature to get one of Stoneheart Lost Arts working properly :(

As for Caravans, you still can cancel them for free, this change doesn't affect them.

Then get rid of that SH Art.  I don't care which one it is.  Get rid of it and restore the free cancel.   If they really want that SH Art, then figure out a way to make it work without getting rid of something else.

BTW, its STILL a bug.   The explanation given implies that the devs didn't mean to do it, but they felt they had no choice.    That is STILL a bug...just one they refuse to fix.

Of course, 300 sapphires per screw up does not give them much motivation to fix it.

Hello!

It's not a bug for sure, but I understand why you're in a bad mood.

I will discuss with devs whether it's possible to return back a free cancellation option. But I can't give any guarantee they will agree on it.