Jezebel said:

Oracle said:

Toggit said 

The only reason high ranking league want to capture the new beacons is because they believe that outer beacons control more territory, but this has never been officially confirmed. It is probably an urban myth. If you disagree with this then show us the proof. Show us the screenshots

As far as I know every beacon level adds specified amounts of influence to the league. 

But I have seen leagues bounce off the top ranking from losing one beacon in a corner

Can anyone expalin these.

if your beacons have an edge that is "open" with no other beacons that belong to other leagues your territory is bigger - on the inside of the map you will notice your territory is much smaller if your beacon is surrounded by beacons belonging to other leagues - on the edge if you held the majority  but every second one your territory would wrap around the one in between your two and block the middle beacon's territory

Unforgiven Kings territory expands far beyond the edge http://prntscr.com/gtdsv0

Wise Lords holds a small amount of territory - they are surrounded by Chevalier Francais beacons who have a decent amount of territory http://prntscr.com/gtdtc9

If Legion Latina and KOK both upgraded the level 1's in this ss KOK's territory would wrap around in front of Legion Latina http://prntscr.com/gtduh7

Level 5 beacons do hold more territory than a level 1 beacon and if you have 4 level 5 beacons on the edge your territory would be larger than 4 level 5 beacons held in the center of the map just go to the east side do the map and do a comparison of FOH edge beacons and LOV inside beacons if you need a "visual aid"

You're right I never thought of it these way. 

and the amount of defense inside a beacon spreads its territory. 

Joan said:

What happens in Pirates should stay in Pirates - it has already been proven on the forums that not all features are the same in all games so comparing the two makes no sense

Of couse it makes sense if it proves we are being ripped off

Different games use exactly the same core program. the same algorithms and exactly the same units, so how can plarium claim that all games are 'balanced' if they use different rulebooks?

If we had the same beacon protection then maybe our beacon map would not be filled with so many deserted beacons and level one beacons

Jezebel said:

Snowgoon said:

Every stormfall lvl 5 beacon gives 50 miles of territory

FOH holds fewer beacons and clearly holds more territory according to the league page http://prntscr.com/gtm3h3

I would be very interested to see how realm affects influence, and how this is all related to position on the map - many other factors affect influence, like fortress level and achievements

It seems very unfair to me if existing edge beacons are devalued every time new beacons appear

Snowgoon said:

Jezebel said:

Snowgoon said:

Every stormfall lvl 5 beacon gives 50 miles of territory

FOH holds fewer beacons and clearly holds more territory according to the league page http://prntscr.com/gtm3h3

I would be very interested to see how realm affects influence, and how this is all related to position on the map - many other factors affect influence, like fortress level and achievements

It seems very unfair to me if existing edge beacons are devalued every time new beacons appear

I still think an official response would be helpful

look at the other screen shots and it clearly shows the influence gained by the beacons held - I have been playing for 2 1/2 years and edge beacons have always been the coveted beacons for this reason - why would Plarium change it if leagues are willing to fight for the edge beacons?  I am also sure if it changed now that you would have a lot of unhappy leagues after they spent all the time, effort and troops to secure and maintain these edge beacons.

there are variations to the games if they were all exactly the same why would anyone choose to play Pirates or any other game

I am sure there are variations to Total Domination, Vikings, Nords & Throne as well.  Stormfall is Stormfall so comparing it to other games is senseless it won't make a difference here.  Whether you think its a rip off to us here doesn't really matter.

Snowgoon said:

Jezebel said:

as Joan said the screenshots speak for themselves

I don't think it is quite that simple

I have compared similar leagues on dark plains and farwols who are both holding one level 5 beacon (not edge) hoping to get a basline measurement. What is one beacon actually worth?

One league has 125 sq miles Realm and the other has 338 squre miles ( 12,500 influence and 33,750 influence )

Beacons 586 and 27

Why would 2 similar leagues holding identical beacons have widely differing Realm and Influence unless they were affected by other bonuses?

It is beyond me - let oracle figure it out lol, or wait for somebody to ask VIP

Iron Clad holds more level 5 beacons (a total of 13) adjacent to one another a total of 7.1 k sq miles 

Destiny owns a single beacon surrounded by level 1's if the level 1's surrounding Destiny were level 5's their territory would decrease somewhat 

Okay the following are 3 screenshots of true single beacon leagues their influence the amount of territory held is different for all 

the difference being is the location of their beacon - the one with the least influence/territory is farthest from the edge the one with the most influence/territory is closest to the edge - therefore the closer to the edge your beacons are the more territory and influence you receive 

https://prnt.sc/gts7ob  13 square miles

http://prntscr.com/gtsd0m  25 square miles

https://prnt.sc/gts6v3  50 square miles

and the amount of defense inside a beacon spreads its territory. 

From Wiki

Beacon Range

The extent of influence a Beacon has on surrounding territory is determined by the Beacon's Range. This is calculated according to its upgrade level and proximity to adjoining Beacons controlled by the same League. This means that two Beacons of identical upgrade levels can have different Ranges. If a Beacon is positioned adjacent to one or more Beacons owned by the same League, it will have a higher range - so try and capture as many adjoining Beacons as possible.

http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Beacons

Any truth in this or just more misinformation? LOL

http://prntscr.com/gttwux

Jezebel said:

IronApex Turok said:

and the amount of defense inside a beacon spreads its territory. 

I don't think so - I have never seen the amount of defense in a beacon increase the amount of territory it holds - while in Destiny we held light beacons & heavy beacons it didn't make a difference

sorry...  

Alina Phoenix said:

Hello, Lords and Ladies.

First of all, I would like to remind you that all our games are different games.

Yes, the mechanics can be similar, but they have different features and different limitations.

It's a Stormfall Forum, so let's speak about Stormfall.

The territory doesn't depend on the location of your Beacon. It doesn't matter whether it's located in the middle of the map or on its edge.

What matters is how far away from each other your Beacons are located and their level.

For example, if one League has several Beacons near each other, and your Beacon is located near this concentration of other League Beacons, the Beacons of this League will have more territory than your Beacon.

Alina I am sorry but you need to check my response here https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/77227_beacon-influence-points/?post=397570

how do you explain the difference in influence and territory?  At the time of posting all leagues were single beacon leagues and their influence and territory was different for all 3 the only factor that was apparent that could affect these things was the location of the beacons.

Edge beacons also provide more influence and more territory as noted on my response previous to the one posted above.

Some of the information you provide is correct but not all - more specifically the highlighted sentence in your response.

Jezebel said:

Alina Phoenix said:

Hello, Lords and Ladies.

First of all, I would like to remind you that all our games are different games.

Yes, the mechanics can be similar, but they have different features and different limitations.

It's a Stormfall Forum, so let's speak about Stormfall.

The territory doesn't depend on the location of your Beacon. It doesn't matter whether it's located in the middle of the map or on its edge.

What matters is how far away from each other your Beacons are located and their level.

For example, if one League has several Beacons near each other, and your Beacon is located near this concentration of other League Beacons, the Beacons of this League will have more territory than your Beacon.

Alina I am sorry but you need to check my response here https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/77227_beacon-influence-points/?post=397570

how do you explain the difference in influence and territory?  At the time of posting all leagues were single beacon leagues and their influence and territory was different for all 3 the only factor that was apparent that could affect these things was the location of the beacons.

Edge beacons also provide more influence and more territory as noted on my response previous to the one posted above.

Some of the information you provide is correct but not all - more specifically the highlighted sentence in your response.

Hello.

Yes, there is an advantage of holding a Beacon on the edge of the Map, but the advantage is that in this case your Beacon is not surrounded by Beacons of other Leagues as it could be in the middle of the Map. Correspondingly, the Beacon gives you more territory.

> The territory doesn't depend on the location of your Beacon. It doesn't matter whether it's located in the middle of the map or on its edge.

I meant that graphically it doesn't matter whether your Beacon is in the middle or on the edge. The main factors are how much your Beacon is surrounded by Beacons of other Leagues and what Level od these Beacons are.

Some comparison

Lord of the BR hold 2 beacon. They are both next to each other one is a corner beacon.

Both are level 5. They have  527 500 influence pint for a.

The roster shows that BR hold 5.3 K mils, which is a round out of the influence point.

The map also shows that BR control 5.3 mils of territory in the map. Not influence points, but territory. 

So we can assume that the amount of influenced points for help territory is equal to the amount of controlled territory. 

IF that is the case

it will mean that every beacon that BR control contribute 50% of the influence point. Which will be 263 750 per beacon. 

as we can see  GH control more beacon than BR. their beacon are next to each other.

So they should control 8 X 263 750 approximately 2 mil. But they only control 3.7 mills. 

But they don't, why. 

It seems utterly pointless attempting to hold beacons like this one

Only 1250 influence ( 13 square miles) simply because it is surrounded by other level 5 beacons

Plarium need to rethink this, small leages are wasting time and units holding garbage
Even the highly prized edge beacons will be reduced to this after new beacon drops
I submit that no level 5 beacon should ever have less influence than a level 5 fortress

Adding the fortress to the game has made beacons more obsolete than ever

toggit said:

It seems utterly pointless attempting to hold beacons like this one

Only 1250 influence ( 13 square miles) simply because it is surrounded by other level 5 beacons

Plarium need to rethink this, small leages are wasting time and units holding garbage
Even the highly prized edge beacons will be reduced to this after new beacon drops
I submit that no level 5 beacon should ever have less influence than a level 5 fortress

Adding the fortress to the game has made beacons more obsolete than ever

Hello.

> Plarium need to rethink this, small leages are wasting time and units holding garbage

Small Leagues can upgrade their Beacons. Also, they can try to capture Beacons of other Leagues that are located near their Beacon extending in such way their territory.

Beacons and League Fortresses complement each other and increase the number of Influence Points you League has.

Taking into account all pros and cons your League gets from holding a Beacon, you can always decide for yourself whether it's worth it or not :)

Snowgoon said:

Ignore the pretty colours on the beacon map, they are an illusion - smoke and mirrors
Do you honestly believe that the shaded area is an accurate representation of territory held?
Do you really believe that the shaded area shows the amount of defense???

https://prnt.sc/gtkbk9

Every stormfall lvl 5 beacon gives 50 miles of territory, it makes no difference where the beacon sits

These are edge beacons and all 3 show 50 miles

https://prnt.sc/gtk98w

Those of you who also play the pirate game can compare their beacons/presidios that show differing territory dependant ONLY on their proximity to other league beacons

Someone needs to crunch the numbers and an official response from the devs is needed

p,s, Level 1 beacons give 10 miles of territory but appear to give zero influence points - https://prnt.sc/gtl1rq

FOH holds 24 beacons - 19 are level 5 and all edge or immediately adjacent to edge https://prnt.sc/gtlsyy

Dominus holds 42 beacons - 21 are level 5 and they have less edge territory https://prnt.sc/gtlsn1

FOH's edge territory gives them more influence than Dominus

FOH holds fewer beacons and clearly holds more territory according to the league page http://prntscr.com/gtm3h3

Ignore the pretty colours on the beacon map, they are an illusion - smoke and mirrors
Do you honestly believe that the shaded area is an accurate representation of territory held?
Do you really believe that the shaded area shows the amount of defense???

https://prnt.sc/gtkbk9

Every stormfall lvl 5 beacon gives 50 miles of territory, it makes no difference where the beacon sits

These are edge beacons and all 3 show 50 miles

https://prnt.sc/gtk98w

Those of you who also play the pirate game can compare their beacons/presidios that show differing territory dependant ONLY on their proximity to other league beacons

Someone needs to crunch the numbers and an official response from the devs is needed

p,s, Level 1 beacons give 10 miles of territory but appear to give zero influence points - https://prnt.sc/gtl1rq

Toggit said 

The only reason high ranking league want to capture the new beacons is because they believe that outer beacons control more territory, but this has never been officially confirmed. It is probably an urban myth. If you disagree with this then show us the proof. Show us the screenshots

As far as I know every beacon level adds specified amounts of influence to the league. 

But I have seen leagues bounce off the top ranking from losing one beacon in a corner

Can anyone expalin these.