djmoody said:

Hunts aren't designed for you.

They are designed for people willing to PAY NOT TO PLAY (Plarium should trademark that as they are breaking new ground). ...

But this is an exercise in pay to win, they are not actually looking to do anything useful for players, make the games better, improve enjoyment etc etc.

I have nothing against mega coiners-i would do the same if i were rich.On the other hand i would put all of them in one dedicated server just for them and i would let free to play players to play in their own server-NON $$ server;there players will advance using nothing but skills and time.But here spenders are clever;in previous game i played for 6 years i knew few very rich who don t had a clue how to play-just buying tons of items and no tactic no skills nothing.I have to admit  was jealous because if i d had their money to spend in game i would be up there in top.

Fritz said:

djmoody said:

Hunts aren't designed for you.

They are designed for people willing to PAY NOT TO PLAY (Plarium should trademark that as they are breaking new ground). ...

But this is an exercise in pay to win, they are not actually looking to do anything useful for players, make the games better, improve enjoyment etc etc.

I have nothing against mega coiners-i would do the same if i were rich.On the other hand i would put all of them in one dedicated server just for them and i would let free to play players to play in their own server-NON $$ server;there players will advance using nothing but skills and time.But here spenders are clever;in previous game i played for 6 years i knew few very rich who don t had a clue how to play-just buying tons of items and no tactic no skills nothing.I have to admit  was jealous because if i d had their money to spend in game i would be up there in top.

maybe..... a VIP server, where you have to buy into?  and that server supports the f2p server?  sounds like a win. 

I can see the for and against this, but so many were always saying to much clicking with champs, way to time consuming, do something about it complaints, yet here we have an automated system that takes away the hours spent and thousands of clicks to upgrade champs which is what many asked for, 

I still have my champs set up ready to try for that holy scroll in the solo champ tourney, this 1 couldn't have come at a better time for me as I have been saving all energy balls that I have been getting from league chests, all double xp boosters as well and I have over 90 champs sitting at xp1 at 4 stars so I say ready set got for the solo champ tourney for me 

Hi there Limad, I just recently done the solo champ tourney with hunt activated, I had 78 energy spheres and many grade 4 champs ready to go, now it took less than 4 hours for the group hunt to upgrade them all to 30xp for me with paragon activated and auto recharge in group hunt, see I get about 4 hours or less sleep at night before work in the morning and the group hunt of all 4 star champs was finished when I logged in to check before work so I set another 1 going, I came 10th overall in the solo champ hunt and started with 60 emeralds and finished off with just over 1700 emeralds so I did gain in emeralds but not as much as I would have if the emeralds were still at their original rewards for champ xp rankups

I noticed you will gain in emeralds with the hunt provided you use 4 star champs or higher, but if you use the hunt for 3 star champs or lowere you lose emeralds big time if thats any help, I lile to play and thoughrouly test out new updates before giving feedback so I can give real gamer experience feedback this way

I saw only 1 negative with the hunt while playing champ solo tourney and I hope you all take notice of this 1 before you try it on the tourney if your planning to go for top 10 rankings, the group hunt causes lag when you try to upgrade champs manually at the same time using undead, also the champs your trying to upgrade manually can clash with the same level undead your champs in the hunt are attacking if your not aware of their levels

Hi there Aegon, I refuse to pay $99 for 1 holy bond where there is the very real chance I could easily get a hamlet defense champ from it, the price is just not worth it for me personally to take that chance so instead I try to win them, also I'm not dissagreeing with you and DJ Moody about the cut in emerald rewards, I'm not happy about that either, but apart from complain we can only hope they hear us

So you are saying that you personally have done the raids Like Christine Did ? And those are your numbers in the Chart?  

and when Christine provide the proof that your chart is deeply flawed. 

You Cry Fake News !!! 

Basically calling her a Liar .

Figures don't Lie But Liars Figure is what my old Math teacher used to always say. 

Wesley Pringle said:

So you are saying that you personally have done the raids Like Christine Did ? And those are your numbers in the Chart?  

and when Christine provide the proof that your chart is deeply flawed. 

You Cry Fake News !!! 

Basically calling her a Liar .

Figures don't Lie But Liars Figure is what my old Math teacher used to always say. 

I believe Christine would not lie about what her results were. 

As it happens I have done a lot more champ training than Christine has reported she has done. 

And initially it seems to make a profit as you complete the half trained champs you had and receive full rewards for them. But that is ignoring all the sacrifices and the cost of those sacrifices that had gone into training them to their start point rank and level. As you do more training you start to lose emeralds.

Tbh having a pissing contest about how much training people have and haven't done to collect their "anecdotal evidence" isn't the point because collecting anecdotal evidence is POINTLESS (for all the reasons I already explained - you will never randomly sample a period of training that will reflect the true cost)

If you want to know the factual truth then seriously its as simple as this.

Either the maths I provided has a mistake in it, in which case I would love for that to be pointed out so we can all know the correct answer.

OR is is correct and it's a fact that the champions training will cost money. And not just a small amount of money.

If you don't have the capability to check the maths yourself then please ask someone you know who does to take a look at it. I am more than happy to be proven wrong... because I only want to know what the factual cost is so I can plan accordingly and advise my league appropriately.

And no I didn't call Christine a liar and went out of my way to point that out in my post - so I find what you wrote to be be nothing but trolling (a break of rule 1.2 b) and c) - if there was any justice in the world).

No MOD is trolling any posts here, as part of our job we must take the time to read the comments in the post  and the content of the post before replying, its just a part of being a MOD  

If you're not buying the holy bond or orb packages, then why are you spending so much time and effort trying to win holy bonds in the champion XP tournament?

Stormfall said:

Aegon Targaryen said:

If you're not buying the holy bond or orb packages, then why are you spending so much time and effort trying to win holy bonds in the champion XP tournament?

Because grade V gives 52.3% bonus even without enlightenment or orbs? What are you arguing here? That grade V is useless unless you spend money upgrading it? You know you can apply that logic to every aspect of this game? Your dragons are worse than coiners dragons. Why do you bother getting them?

Who said anything about dragons?

All I got from my free holy bond was a purple phantom

I would never waste time or money tying to get another holy bond, nor will I waste any more time clicking to upgrade my current champions, 
and will be dumping my free Hunt Item unused

DJ Moody, sorry you did factor in the double xp boosts, however as Biohazard said,  I wasn't dissagreeing with you,  the hunt is worth it but only if you have many energy orbs saved up, double xp boosters saved up and also a lot of 4 star champs ready to xp up during a champ solo tourney, it saves so much clicking and yes you do gain more emeralds that way in the group hunt.

Now, your chart is also correct if say I was to start from scratch with no orbs, level 1, 2 and 3 star champs, no double xp boosters either, if I was to use the hunt to do that I would need to coin a lot just to have the emeralds to keep the hunt going to get these champs xp up to take them to their next lot of stars

Aegon Targaryen said:

If you're not buying the holy bond or orb packages, then why are you spending so much time and effort trying to win holy bonds in the champion XP tournament?

Because grade V gives 52.3% bonus even without enlightenment or orbs? What are you arguing here? That grade V is useless unless you spend money upgrading it? You know you can apply that logic to every aspect of this game? Your dragons are worse than coiners dragons. Why do you bother getting them?

Edited to correct my Moderation input

All I will say is I disagree with your prognosis. (that is My opinion is all)

If some players weren't Paying you wouldn't be Playing  as Plarium wouldn't of lasted as long as it has if not for the money generated by those that do pay to gain an advantage

Wesley Pringle said:

Edited to correct my Moderation input

All I will say is I disagree with your prognosis. (that is My opinion is all)

If some players weren't Paying you wouldn't be Playing  as Plarium wouldn't of lasted as long as it has if not for the money generated by those that do pay to gain an advantage

Paying to save time and to get to a high status quicker is one thing.  Paying to achieve a status that nonpayers can never obtain, no matter how much time they put in, is completely different.

Plarium would have lasted just as long if the game was balanced, and likely longer than it will now.   I'd say create a sub server without packages and see what happens, but with the browser version unlikely to make it past 2020, its probably not worth it at this point.