Lord Oberon

With such an overwhelming response of negativity regarding this battleground change and people who have been playing this game for a year now leaving because of it, what say you have the programmers pull back this last patch ASAP and reset everyone's banks to where they were just before this change was release before the mass exodus occurs?  You have been silent since posting but the people have spoken.  This was clearly not thought out from the perspective of the game players (your customers).  Lets do the right thing here.  Show us you care about your loyal players.

I like how they put that 75% units in the healer that's gonna happen in a few hours from now...............................

As if that's gonna make anything better.

Juglar del Viento said:

Lords 

please check this thread on tactics and strategy and read it please

click http://forum.plarium.com/en/stormfall-age-of-war/tactics-and-strategy/topics/faq-on-battleground-rewards/1/#36224/

regards

There are good posts on this address. I put my own on that page - dont want to repeat.

The best players from All Time Ranking List have very bad feelings about this changes. Maybe it's time to somebody (Plarium) take something about that.

Ultron said:

To further test the updates, we tried hitting BGs starting with zero bank or rather fresh bank. this is the latest hit on a mid level BG. The idea was to not kill any BGs but to keep building the bank upto the target level and then kill the target BG. Tried it a few times and it works. Thanks to my friend for testing it out for me

What does mean fresh bank?

Can you tell us what is sent into bank before this payout? Obviously you couldnt get this award for 155 Necros.

Also, you mentioned in other post Second highest task. Was this second highest? Or some of tasks?

Jonik said:

Bologna113 said:

solarlaps said:

just what does bg have to do with alts Bologna. please wake up

 

 

Oh, I am fully awake, and by the sounds of the mass crying, so are all the alts.  This is a gigantic step towards curbing the problem of alts, and those who are running tons of them are now posting LOUDLY.

 

I wonder how this is going to effect the current beacon wars.........  how many leagues are now going belly up because their one hit alt wonders are soon to be worthless.

 

you don't need battlegrounds to play and build an army.  You do need them to run tons of alts and build armies by not having to recruit real players.  bye bye alt leagues.

 

This is an awesome change and I for one applaud Plarium on finally doing something to help control the alt infestation and the problem they have created.

 You're clueless Bologna.

The benefits and enjoyment of playing this game are greatly diminished. The'll be an exodus if bg payouts aren't substantially improved.

The payouts are fine, in fact they're better than they were before, you just have to change the way you do bgs a bit. 

the new system is very bad i hit a bg 43  with 110 demons 100 normads almost and 200 golems and 30 griffins for level 45 bg and what i get is 93 demons and 30 warlocks, this is just bullshit, we want the previous bg system back otherwise this will be the end for most of the players

Drogar61 said:

What does mean fresh bank?

Can you tell us what is sent into bank before this payout? Obviously you couldnt get this award for 155 Necros.

Also, you mentioned in other post Second highest task. Was this second highest? Or some of tasks?

Hi Lord Drogard

im going to answer you. the bank was empty. next step is for a level 62 bank arround 29M to fill it. so in serveral bgs donwgraded to yellow and didnt finish them. once the 29M was spent the pic shows the last hit to get the desired payout on that level 62.

second task may mean that the highest bg and rune bg is a level 63, so this is one 62, the second high

hope this can solve your questions.

Regards.

Juglar del Viento said:

Hi Lord Drogard

im going to answer you. the bank was empty. next step is for a level 62 bank arround 29M to fill it. so in serveral bgs donwgraded to yellow and didnt finish them. once the 29M was spent the pic shows the last hit to get the desired payout on that level 62.

second task may mean that the highest bg and rune bg is a level 63, so this is one 62, the second high

hope this can solve your questions.

Regards.

Ty, for your answer, but if can tell us answer on two/three more (for many players could be very important) questions:

How did you reset bank? With getting big payout or with solving Rune BG on lvl 62 or ...?

You spent 29M. In resources? Calculated with or without food?

And if you can reveal two more missunderstandings:

Does Eldrich unit worth same as normal unit of same type?

Are dead troops and payout(s) from BG QUESTS involved in bank calculation or not?

Regards

Again, as this question has not been answered: http://forum.plarium.com/en/stormfall-age-of-war/-news-and-announcements/topics/get-guaranteed-rewards-at-battlegrounds--/3/#37315/

28M resources = 2.435M Defence of lvl 1 grifins with slight bonuses.

A lvl 63 is most likely to pay out 2.26m Reward of the same units.

Before for hitting those levels you would need to put in prehaps 2-2.1M Defence, or 23-24M resources how you put it.

If you are yellow lining for rewards your big payouts have gotten harder and the dynamics of the game has only made the requirement for a large reward require greater investment. Which goes against what Lord Oberon has stated:

"PLAYERS WOULD END UP LOSING MOST OR ALL OF THEIR ARMY BEFORE GETTING A REWARD. THIS WAS A PROBLEM ESPECIALLY FOR NEW PLAYERS WHO STILL HADN’T LEARNED THE INTRICACIES OF HOW BATTLEGROUNDS WORKED" -Lord Oberon

If this was the problem prehaps give a reward on every singular BGs you hit based on what you sent to that BGs, but all this update has done is require greater investment if some one is yellow lining with is the opposite as Lord oberon has stated above about the update helping people not lose their armies. I personally believe this update has been done so people dont yellow line battlegrounds but clear them one by one, as the advantages of sending less then required to complete it has deminished and you get the same reward over time anyways as lord oberon has always stated but many never believe up till this day. The new system has made it harder to prepare BGs and rewards forPVE point times and you are now completing them on the day and theres no point preparing them beforehand anymore.

This update has also increased the cost of saga quests, you will now be required to lose 10% more troops for the same saga reward. We as players understand that the addition of saga quests is awsome, but to change something good to mild for all new players hence is a disadvantage and it always seems the new players get the short end of the stick againts existing established players.

Drogar61 said:

Juglar del Viento said:

Hi Lord Drogard

im going to answer you. the bank was empty. next step is for a level 62 bank arround 29M to fill it. so in serveral bgs donwgraded to yellow and didnt finish them. once the 29M was spent the pic shows the last hit to get the desired payout on that level 62.

second task may mean that the highest bg and rune bg is a level 63, so this is one 62, the second high

hope this can solve your questions.

Regards.

Ty, for your answer, but if can tell us answer on two/three more (for many players could be very important) questions:

How did you reset bank? With getting big payout or with solving Rune BG on lvl 62 or ...?

You spent 29M. In resources? Calculated with or without food?

And if you can reveal two more missunderstandings:

Does Eldrich unit worth same as normal unit of same type?

Are dead troops and payout(s) from BG QUESTS involved in bank calculation or not?

Regards

All resources (including food) count the same for bg loading.  So any values are assumed to include food, iron, and gold. 

eldrich units are worth the same as regular units, but have higher power, so you're better off saving them for pvp. 

the units lost fighting the bgs that give eldrich troops are not counted towards the bank. 

BiohazarD said:

Drogar61 said:

How did you reset bank? With getting big payout or with solving Rune BG on lvl 62 or ...?

Maybe you omit answer, maybe you cant tell us.

I will try to give my opinion. If you want/can correct me.

As I know you cant clean bank, because you will never get all of your lost troops (or better term, your resourcses that looks as units but they arent units).

Check starting report for this replies. 29M + 1.6M is greater than 27.5M=2374*10610+476*5000.

So, there is no "empty" anything, spec. bank, after this payout, except in the case when 3M is provision of bank for this changing.

Real question is:

when bank takes provision? After every filling or just for payouts?

How much?

I doubt if we will ever get this question the correct answer, but the question is here.

Ty for your previous answers.

Lord DROGAR61:

“HOW DID YOU RESET BANK? WITH GETTING BIG PAYOUT OR WITH SOLVING RUNE BG ON LVL 62 OR ...?”

I stimate my bank is reset when I get a big payout and my winnings – my looses are nearest to zero, although always remains a litte amount in my bank

“ARE DEAD TROOPS AND PAYOUT(S) FROM BG QUESTS INVOLVED IN BANK CALCULATION OR NOT?”

If you are reffering to mission BG or Rune Bg (the highest bg in your nest) yes you have to involved in bank looses and winnings.

if you are reffering to saga quest bgs, no your looses are not goint to your bank and your winnings neither.

Lord TIMMYBOY

“THIS UPDATE HAS ALSO INCREASED THE COST OF SAGA QUESTS, YOU WILL NOW BE REQUIRED TO LOSE 10% MORE TROOPS FOR THE SAME SAGA REWARD.”

im on my level 12 saga quest and i can sure you that the troops are inside the defensive bg are now the same that before the update

Regards

Edit and i complete with my numbers of one last payout:

Loses--> 22.892.594 in resources including food

winnings--> 22.228.150 in a payout

difference--> -604.444 .... now my bank is reset (or almost) but also i consider that in my bank still remains that amount and have to involve it on construct my new bank.

Regards

Juglar, the troops have stayed the same, but the amount of troops my units kills that i sent has decreased by 10%, i have been doing the maths every single time i send my units and this should be a problem addressed as Plarium have not stated these changes but they have occurred.

BiohazarD said:

Drogar61 said:

Juglar del Viento said:

Hi Lord Drogard

im going to answer you. the bank was empty. next step is for a level 62 bank arround 29M to fill it. so in serveral bgs donwgraded to yellow and didnt finish them. once the 29M was spent the pic shows the last hit to get the desired payout on that level 62.

second task may mean that the highest bg and rune bg is a level 63, so this is one 62, the second high

hope this can solve your questions.

Regards.

Ty, for your answer, but if can tell us answer on two/three more (for many players could be very important) questions:

How did you reset bank? With getting big payout or with solving Rune BG on lvl 62 or ...?

You spent 29M. In resources? Calculated with or without food?

And if you can reveal two more missunderstandings:

Does Eldrich unit worth same as normal unit of same type?

Are dead troops and payout(s) from BG QUESTS involved in bank calculation or not?

Regards

All resources (including food) count the same for bg loading.  So any values are assumed to include food, iron, and gold. 

eldrich units are worth the same as regular units, but have higher power, so you're better off saving them for pvp. 

the units lost fighting the bgs that give eldrich troops are not counted towards the bank. 

Thank you Biohazard that is some very reliable advice which has answered a lot of questions for many :)

Juglar del Viento said:

Lord DROGAR61:

...

TY. Check my answer to Biohazard. Finally we explained Bank Reset. It is almost reset.

My main problem is unknown payment provision in old system, and I believe that it would be in new system.
Also, I beleive that we killed imagination about gain awards in BG battles. We're talking about losts. In resources. Could we gain benefits depends of finaly units power.

If Plarium wants to help players then it should to give more (much much more) benefits of BG battles (same as for PVP battles). At first place, in sapps, Legendary units (return them in payouts) and Eldrich units (also with choice for Dragons and Griffins).

And dont talk about balance in the game - Game has no balance form early days/start - many today players dont know that we received 50 sapphires on every 5 days. In every change Plarium reduced the essential parts of prizes and adding meaningless, further destroying the previous effort most faithful players (such as Paragon points, which are now meaningless, and were extremely cost).

I'm frustated too, as many other "old" players because of the change way (overnight).

Show us that you are not greedy and be sensitive to our expectations.

Give us your explanations (much better than as it is now) and do not insult our intelligence (as now) because this game we pretty well understand.

It is clear that this is a game for the players and for Plarium business, and it is completely OK that we spend some money, but make better that relationship, what we can gain for our money. Soon, no one will want to spend their units because it is almost impossible to make them after you lost them in less than 3 months. That's pointless. If we could give more for same money - make offers with 1/10 of current prize, and you will get more money, we would easier spend them and everyone will be more happy.

Four examples:

• The stronger player and winner in PVP battles can lose more than a defeated player.
• The value of the provision (commision) on 90+ BG level is greater than I can produce for 7 days (to be clear, I produce maximum accelerated units and have Paragon 10). On the level 100, I need almost 2 weeks just to make lost provision.
• I can loose 2-3M (in strength) units in ONE PVP battle. I need about 7-12 weeks to produce them (the fastest way) without additional sapps.
• All that you can get from Legions of Darkshrine IV you have chance to loose as provision on 100. BG level!

Balanced? No.

Regards

Timmyboy said:

Juglar, the troops have stayed the same, but the amount of troops my units kills that i sent has decreased by 10%, i have been doing the maths every single time i send my units and this should be a problem addressed as Plarium have not stated these changes but they have occurred.

I cant be sure but I noticed that -10% (or close to that number) about two days before this BG changes. As bug when some of reliquaries doesnt work. Something was changed for me, too.

Shashachar said:

and please someone from plarium answer us not the moderators, they are just pawns in this game so admin wake up please

Plarium have already answered your questions. There is no reason for them to repeat it again here.

"fewer giant rewards"

If you collect any of the guaranteed rewards then you will receive fewer giant rewards - If you refuse to collect guaranteed rewards then nothing has changed..... unless secret changes have been made to bg strength etc.

You can still get your giant rewards by refusing to complete any bg until your resource bank is full.

There is, however, a random element to battleground rewards which can delay your reward, so it is virtually impossible to completely avoid the guaranteed rewards.

p.s. What is wrong with the font on this forum? Why is caps lock always on and how do we switch it off?

Klonk_Koc, this is not the case unfortunately, I had half of my Battlegrounds yellowed before the update so I can tell you with 100% certainty that this is the system:

Every Troop you send off to die gets split, some gets saved for you as a reward from when you clear the bgs and the rest goes into the pot, lets say 30% into clearing and 70% into pot. ie. you will have to fill up to 130% in this case starting from a fresh bank. As I had so many yellowed I had to invest about 200%+ before I came to a reward and hence why I can make this conclusion. Considering you get some reward maybe added to the one with the pot reward as you get the clearing troops added is still uncertain and will need to be tried over more BGs and compared to previous rewards, which I have not done yet.

Therefore the system is exactly the same as before, just slight rewards in-between progressively. The problem is some other changes they have not noted with the update or refuse to answer which I have stated previously, why did they change the algorithm for sending less then it takes to clear a BGs or for sending more then required to clear it, please answer this.