Drogar61 said:

does any Mod can find date when devs started with bot eliminations, or at least start to plan some solution about bots?

It was March 2016 when the 295 bot line started winning tournaments on untamed

http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/archive/20993_are-these-bots-and-ranked-/

They have been deactivated many times but have been allowed to reactivate, and have even been given protection bubbles

Warrior said:

It is simple, if you have a leak in the pipe you dont just put a sticker or keep a bucket under it to get the water from spreading you fix it. That is what they are trying to do and all people want ,and you can read the post from top to bottom, is to get the bots remove that are currently there.

Since i respect you a lot as a player, I will leave the verdict for you to decide which is a better fix out of the two. 

Warrior said:

Rosconz said:

Shortened the post

Now could you please supply a link to Exxxe's statement above so I can see which thread it is in, with a date/time stamp and try to figure how I missed it.

Thank you for listening.

End of Page 3 same thread. This is exactly what i meant when i explained the reason for closing the posts. They go in loop and people miss the important parts.

Thank you again for proving my point.

Are you finished telling everyone how good you are yet, or is there more?

Warrior said:

Rosconz said:

Shortened the post

Now could you please supply a link to Exxxe's statement above so I can see which thread it is in, with a date/time stamp and try to figure how I missed it.

Thank you for listening.

End of Page 3 same thread. This is exactly what i meant when i explained the reason for closing the posts. They go in loop and people miss the important parts.

Thank you again for proving my point.

yes you and your team go always in loop

I was one paranoid? 

have offended me and treated like an idiot 

ALL

Warrior said:

exxxe said:

it is secretive but we do know this 

plarium is currently working on the issue but it is taking time so be patient 

what Biohazard and Warrior are saying is

 plarium is working on it and seeking for it to be a permanent fix ( not constantly requiring players reports )

im not sure if any company can completely stop the creation of bots but they can for sure detect them and remove them (which is what plarium is currently after )

I hope everyone read this. I still dont understand the point of discussion.

Unless people just are hurt and want to get back personally.

This is basically the reason the posts are closed after sometime since they just go in loops and are non-productive. Thank you everyone for proving my point, especially Zap.

you are another puppet for make us believe that.....

need facts not jerking

give a FREE bg calc at all? but expert eh

so we also know that those who work here plays in this game

6 years

so here is how was born this game and all other game

Warrior said:

exxxe said:

it is secretive but we do know this 

plarium is currently working on the issue but it is taking time so be patient 

what Biohazard and Warrior are saying is

 plarium is working on it and seeking for it to be a permanent fix ( not constantly requiring players reports )

im not sure if any company can completely stop the creation of bots but they can for sure detect them and remove them (which is what plarium is currently after )

I hope everyone read this. I still dont understand the point of discussion.

Unless people just are hurt and want to get back personally.

This is basically the reason the posts are closed after sometime since they just go in loops and are non-productive. Thank you everyone for proving my point, especially Zap.

Maybe I can help you to understand Warrior, If you are prepared to listen. You have only just posted Exxxe's comment, even thou I requested it in the 5th post in this thread. I don't know how I missed it but I did and I guess others missed Exxxe's comment as well. Maybe this thread could have been 70 - 80 posts shorter if you had just responded to my request then rather than telling me how highly qualified you are blah, blah, blah. Your ego has contributed to this going round and round in circles.

Now could you please supply a link to Exxxe's statement above so I can see which thread it is in, with a date/time stamp and try to figure how I missed it.

Warrior said:

It is simple, if you have a leak in the pipe you dont just put a sticker or keep a bucket under it to get the water from spreading you fix it. That is what they are trying to do and all people want ,and you can read the post from top to bottom, is to get the bots remove that are currently there.

Since i respect you a lot as a player, I will leave the verdict for you to decide which is a better fix out of the two. 

REALLY? So you leave the leak going, doing more damage, for years and years while you try to figure out WHY it is leaking?

NO Warrior. You stop the leak and THEN look at why it happened and what can be done to eliminate it in the future. Its called damage control.

zapelo said:

jumy said:

zapelo said:

I think you should stop embarrassing yourself by trying to lecture people.

1. This game is not a P.O.S. system.

2. Coding language does not have anything to do with the application logs. "This gives me the first doubt in your knowledge and experience"

3. The other clue to you poor judgement is that you call a P.O.S. system simple.

4. Explanation for point 3.. Logs should be just text right? So that is a bit over 1,000,000,000 characters. Now in the logs of a P.O.S. system only ids, time stamps and amounts should be saved. So one log record should be quite small say 50 characters (compressed) that gives us 20,000,000 records. "Simple ... yeah right"

5. Calling other people "simple minded" just shows me that in the 12+ years you have not learned to respect people that are not "coders" but are "users". Also you probably think that you are superior to them. That tells me a lot about your persona.

6. If this "game" needs millions of lines of code in (AS = front end part of the game) (Sever side seems to be done in .net) then everyone at plarium should be fired.

7. Someone "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts) honestly this should be the only way they can deal with multiple accounts. If they are able to do it in other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

8. Some solutions do not need inventing a whole new science. You just have to look at other solutions and possibly adjust them to your needs. That of course can be done if there is a will to do it.

Shall i continue?

Get this from someone that has been doing this (development) for 25 years now.

agree all

7 if they block automatism and other tricks this game switches off, are functions you use with other clients, autohotkey and similar should not be confused (pixel coord)

autobot is not only bot castles, pay attention....

the difficulty is this, keep their tricks for their community, a client with control and autocontrol for xxx castles

say internal leak.... look at how many platforms and where it comes this game....

basic control: 

block proxy/vpn

function share ip and block push

result = actual castles / 1000 (to be tight)

real problem is their abuse their facility = trap for real players

Let me rewrite point 7. so it becomes clearer

7. "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts). Honestly this should be the only possible way for exploiters/hackers to control multiple accounts. If the exploiters/hackers are able to do it in any other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

7.a. I suspect that the exploiters/hackers are using macros and other ways to control castles ...... so the entire system was badly planned and designed.

perfectly correct, for you "is something horribly wrong" 

for me everything is correct and reread my words 

look at the base.... plarium never wants to put his face, begins with mod and go back 5 years, only make money in all sides

((((......look for creators of.....))))

jumy said:

zapelo said:

I think you should stop embarrassing yourself by trying to lecture people.

1. This game is not a P.O.S. system.

2. Coding language does not have anything to do with the application logs. "This gives me the first doubt in your knowledge and experience"

3. The other clue to you poor judgement is that you call a P.O.S. system simple.

4. Explanation for point 3.. Logs should be just text right? So that is a bit over 1,000,000,000 characters. Now in the logs of a P.O.S. system only ids, time stamps and amounts should be saved. So one log record should be quite small say 50 characters (compressed) that gives us 20,000,000 records. "Simple ... yeah right"

5. Calling other people "simple minded" just shows me that in the 12+ years you have not learned to respect people that are not "coders" but are "users". Also you probably think that you are superior to them. That tells me a lot about your persona.

6. If this "game" needs millions of lines of code in (AS = front end part of the game) (Sever side seems to be done in .net) then everyone at plarium should be fired.

7. Someone "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts) honestly this should be the only way they can deal with multiple accounts. If they are able to do it in other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

8. Some solutions do not need inventing a whole new science. You just have to look at other solutions and possibly adjust them to your needs. That of course can be done if there is a will to do it.

Shall i continue?

Get this from someone that has been doing this (development) for 25 years now.

agree all

7 if they block automatism and other tricks this game switches off, are functions you use with other clients, autohotkey and similar should not be confused (pixel coord)

autobot is not only bot castles, pay attention....

the difficulty is this, keep their tricks for their community, a client with control and autocontrol for xxx castles

say internal leak.... look at how many platforms and where it comes this game....

basic control: 

block proxy/vpn

function share ip and block push

result = actual castles / 1000 (to be tight)

real problem is their abuse their facility = trap for real players

Let me rewrite point 7. so it becomes clearer

7. "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts). Honestly this should be the only possible way for exploiters/hackers to control multiple accounts. If the exploiters/hackers are able to do it in any other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

7.a. I suspect that the exploiters/hackers are using macros and other ways to control castles ...... so the entire system was badly planned and designed.

Warrior said:

Point taken Zap, You and me both agree the solution should be permanent not a temporary fix.

That was the whole point of discussion. The solution should be permanent and the solution should come soon, the date needs to be provided (which is the only thing i see is the biggest problem here).

Pleasure talking to an expert int he field, you would also acknowledge if the cant find a permanent fix a workaround should be put but it should also not increase the load on the resources. So yup i agree with all of that.

And i will rather not comment on the personal comments that you have made out of respect of the trade and since we are from different eras of technology.

Let see it this way, If they were not interested to work on the bots issue why would they even keep the post. they would rather tell the CMs and mod to just delete the post rather than closing it. Closing the post will only keep the discussion for others to see but deleting them would leave no trace. Just being adamant and shouting about the issue being there will not get a response. 

Till date you would also acknowledge that all the time you were getting a response saying that "We are working on it" i just took the time to explain the things that i know from the other side. It is not that we are the only one frustrated for solving the issue, even Plarium sees this issue as an issue however at the same time there are other issue that actually hinder with the game play so they would always take priority. With 25 years of experience, you out of all people will definitely know about categorization and prioritization of problem and the factors that are influenced to do this.

User experience is one of them but visual or cosmetic bugs or bugs that do not stop you from performing you activity take the least priority. I would you since you are senior in the trade to acknowledge the point.

Also lets concentrate on the point that permanent fix is as important in this case as a workaround.

There you go again... Trying to show yourself as more modern/superior.

If someone is doing something longer than you it does not mean they are "from a different era of tech"

You have no clue what tech i use in day to day work. You would probably be surprised.

But back to the topic.

I do not acknowledge that they want to fix the problem cause of the following reasons

1. the bots are in game for more than a year and they did exactly nothing about them (now tell me how much code can you rewrite in a year)

2. there are bugs in the game that are there for 2+ years 

3. there have been numerous instances when they introduced a "new feature" and caused a bug in an existing feature.... you would expect they will fix the issue but they simply ignore it

4...... i could continue but i do not wish to write a novel

In preventing macro exploits there is no permanent solution there is only ways of making the possibility of using macros as hard as possible. The solution must be effective and after implementation the situation has to be monitored. But to do that there has to be a will.

Back to you

1. You can comment on whatever i wrote about anyone and anything

2. What were you trying to say when you stated that you explained "things that you know from the other side"? "Dark side"? Sorry had to pull your leg there.

3. In other words in the quoted post you used up 1,981 bytes for the text you wrote but have not explained a single thing and made no valid point.

So again stop embarrassing yourself and as you like to say "the trade".  

zapelo said:

I think you should stop embarrassing yourself by trying to lecture people.

1. This game is not a P.O.S. system.

2. Coding language does not have anything to do with the application logs. "This gives me the first doubt in your knowledge and experience"

3. The other clue to you poor judgement is that you call a P.O.S. system simple.

4. Explanation for point 3.. Logs should be just text right? So that is a bit over 1,000,000,000 characters. Now in the logs of a P.O.S. system only ids, time stamps and amounts should be saved. So one log record should be quite small say 50 characters (compressed) that gives us 20,000,000 records. "Simple ... yeah right"

5. Calling other people "simple minded" just shows me that in the 12+ years you have not learned to respect people that are not "coders" but are "users". Also you probably think that you are superior to them. That tells me a lot about your persona.

6. If this "game" needs millions of lines of code in (AS = front end part of the game) (Sever side seems to be done in .net) then everyone at plarium should be fired.

7. Someone "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts) honestly this should be the only way they can deal with multiple accounts. If they are able to do it in other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

8. Some solutions do not need inventing a whole new science. You just have to look at other solutions and possibly adjust them to your needs. That of course can be done if there is a will to do it.

Shall i continue?

Get this from someone that has been doing this (development) for 25 years now.

agree all

7 if they block automatism and other tricks this game switches off, are functions you use with other clients, autohotkey and similar should not be confused (pixel coord)

autobot is not only bot castles, pay attention....

the difficulty is this, keep their tricks for their community, a client with control and autocontrol for xxx castles

say internal leak.... look at how many platforms and where it comes this game....

basic control: 

block proxy/vpn

function share ip and block push

result = actual castles / 1000 (to be tight)

real problem is their abuse their facility = trap for real players

Point taken Zap, You and me both agree the solution should be permanent not a temporary fix.

That was the whole point of discussion. The solution should be permanent and the solution should come soon, the date needs to be provided (which is the only thing i see is the biggest problem here).

Pleasure talking to an expert int he field, you would also acknowledge if the cant find a permanent fix a workaround should be put but it should also not increase the load on the resources. So yup i agree with all of that.

And i will rather not comment on the personal comments that you have made out of respect of the trade and since we are from different eras of technology.

Let see it this way, If they were not interested to work on the bots issue why would they even keep the post. they would rather tell the CMs and mod to just delete the post rather than closing it. Closing the post will only keep the discussion for others to see but deleting them would leave no trace. Just being adamant and shouting about the issue being there will not get a response. 

Till date you would also acknowledge that all the time you were getting a response saying that "We are working on it" i just took the time to explain the things that i know from the other side. It is not that we are the only one frustrated for solving the issue, even Plarium sees this issue as an issue however at the same time there are other issue that actually hinder with the game play so they would always take priority. With 25 years of experience, you out of all people will definitely know about categorization and prioritization of problem and the factors that are influenced to do this.

User experience is one of them but visual or cosmetic bugs or bugs that do not stop you from performing you activity take the least priority. I would you since you are senior in the trade to acknowledge the point.