djmoody said:

Nothing they do is right. Devoid of moral compass. Everything about Plarium exists only to take short term profit.

I wonder how the people that work there get any pleasure out of their day. I guess they are just building career and CV points in the hope they might get a job at a developer who might create a meaningful experience one day. I am sure a lot of the general line staff would actually like to be involved in something they could be proud of.

They aren't the ones raking in the money either. Just keeping a roof over their heads.

I got sick of air plane noises. I found a game from stardocks in early access on steam to quell the noises with. So far it haven't gone out of sync on me :p

why clutter up a tutorial, a tutorial should only have relevant information on "how to".

issues of "how to" not working should be in game discussion.

I sent in a support ticket at the suggestion of the prior CM and received the "EXACT" same response as Lord Marc before he sent his in and I think a few others got the same "lack of support" reply, they didn't bother looking into the case, just a canned reply. And yes I do know BG is voluntary as is all content from Plarium so I do not need that reply either.

All I know is I track my BG and there is no rhyme or reason to the BG, the mythical box rewards seem to have disappeared about the same time as the banking problem appeared. Low level BG are not an issue as you do not need to load 300 million resources to get a "in sync" reward but you have gone too far with the randomness.

What strategy does it take to kill BG, ZERO, just troops, how can you employ a strategy to get a random bank to pay you back for troops lost, these are simply SLOT MACHINES which do not belong in a strategy game.

Why would your game make us bank 300 million to get a 125 million reward, this shoule be as simple as fill the bank and it empties when level and bank are within 25% of each other, not double or triple and keeping our troops.

thefray said:

All I know is I track my BG and there is no rhyme or reason to the BG, the mythical box rewards seem to have disappeared about the same time as the banking problem appeared. Low level BG are not an issue as you do not need to load 300 million resources to get a "in sync" reward but you have gone too far with the randomness.

Remember the Yellow Bar Thread?

Many players were accused of cheating, and alonya said 'They are being dealt with'.

My bet is that their banks were nerfed ... and many other innocent players also saw their bank nerfed too

Warrior said:

I have been in IT industry for the past 12 years

...and now you are a moderator on stormfall forum... congratz? Your last comments sounded liked you were trying to get the position.

ps. did the number of moderators finally surpassed number of active people here?

Gadheras said:

Warrior said:

As the CM said that we and will do the best we can but we all have our roles to play.

"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast."

Words of a colorful man that...

I feel we the players getting played like stooges....

i understand the situation here.. Not more than few weeks back i was at the same place as you. But in only way we can go ahead is by working together. We will try our best and will need all your support by making the discussion so that we have more things to take ahead from here.

Guys wake up!!!!! You all see it in every post the Mods make lol.

Its time to all move on!!! 

Nothing will ever change!!!

Warrior said:

Gadheras said:

Warrior said:

As the CM said that we and will do the best we can but we all have our roles to play.

"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast."

Words of a colorful man that...

I feel we the players getting played like stooges....

i understand the situation here.. Not more than few weeks back i was at the same place as you. But in only way we can go ahead is by working together. We will try our best and will need all your support by making the discussion so that we have more things to take ahead from here.

Really appreciate the details that all the players put forward here so as to make our discussion with Devs more proof based.

Yeah but there is no real discussion. Its more about the players complain and get sick of the deafening silence from Plarium in regards of the said complaints. The releation between players and the devs need to be more symbiotic. The one can't exist without the other. In the words of Plarium.. everything is just "out of sync"...

@Warrior

Don't blame yourself further, for nothing.

Plarium have one payed employee per time per game in Role of CM, some kind of interaction between Plarium and players.

CM isn't customer support. It is Plarium advocate, and stands for Plarium trying to rise fog every time when it is possible. We never got any support/help from CM's, or any other Palrium stuff.

Mods are special story, very well composed from Plarium. Not expert but experienced user chosen for Mods (sometimes Mod could be very less experienced, Plarium doesn't care) are used for free to protect Plarium's interests. No one Mod have any real knowledge about Plarium and it's processes. They could use their own knowledge, very often very wrong, to get some responses on forum.

So, Plarium have no spends for them, and in turn Mods are new fog makers in complete scene, because they have no real knowledge just assumptions, so far from the truth. Couple Mods tried to be honest and to write some kind of neutral answers, trying to be useful. Most Mods tried to promote themselves as authority. Sometimes based on wish to help, but more often based on nothing.

I believe that you believe that Plarium has development team as you described but that isn't truth. Lord Oberon explained that before almost 2 years. Plarium has a much more simpler, naive, smaller dev team.  Cheap obviously. And with cheap customer oriented team (1 payed employee) Plarium has huge profit for themselves.

@Zach-Rose11

All in this game has only one purpose to make money for Plarium. That isn't wrong. The way how they collect money from us is more than wrong.

One of the most profitable thing in that is BG. BG is intentionally kept as black box with unknown algorithm, and used very clever to push players into sapphires buying. Today, there is no one point when any player can earn benefit using its skills, time and effort in the game.

There was a time when that was possible, but today only what you can is to spend real money to compete with the others ready to spend money, too. To be clear, and avoid con arguments, there is a couple way how you can make profit without using real money, but they will cost you time so much that while you will reach very poor profit, every coiner will gain so much more. As final result you will be looser again, in that competition.

Polarity between coiners and non-coiners are passed the point of no return, nothing is left in the middle, and only we can is to choose what is our pole.

One thing is wonderful in this game. It is playable forever, because if you have a little brain, no one can harm you, no matter how weak you are.

Who wants to play such game is the second question, on which we're getting answer every day.

Until the judgement day.

Warrior said:

Gadheras said:

Warrior said:

As the CM said that we and will do the best we can but we all have our roles to play.

"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast."

Words of a colorful man that...

I feel we the players getting played like stooges....

i understand the situation here.. Not more than few weeks back i was at the same place as you. But in only way we can go ahead is by working together. We will try our best and will need all your support by making the discussion so that we have more things to take ahead from here.

Really appreciate the details that all the players put forward here so as to make our discussion with Devs more proof based.

Yeah but there is no real discussion. Its more about the players complain and get sick of the deafening silence from Plarium in regards of the said complaints. The releation between players and the devs need to be more symbiotic. The one can't exist without the other. In the words of Plarium.. everything is just "out of sync"...

zach-rose11 said:

Warrior, with all due respect, I feel like the link you provided me is an outdated version. No one seems to believe that that "tutorial" is helpful, I mean, at least from reading through the comments. It is from 2015, and it is outdated, at least parts of it. Would you care to ask Lord Oberon for an updated version? :) 

I think that the majority of the community is having trouble with BG's and it's causing them to not want to play, or causing them to quit the game. Can't see how Plarium would want this! :(

Lord zach-rose11, Battlegrounds is a very complicated and interesting gameplay features. Some experienced players not only did BGs, but created spreadsheets, strategies and tips based on their observations. Such Lords and Ladies have helped many of players how to use Reaources for these missions wisely.

imaginary plarium

reality

encloses everything from gameplay publicized on their answers, to climb on mirrors but they are no Spiderman

Warrior said:

Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:

 is starting to feel like a dictatorship, time to rise up people

You're allowed to discuss bgs, but there have already been many threads about bg payouts not working.  We try to close duplicate threads and funnel the discussion into a single thread, to make it easier for devs to follow if they ever decide to. 

You hit the nail on the head "if they ever decide to"

If actual devs did talk to us, communicated.... there would been something like "accountability". Community managers acting like messengers is... sad state of affairs tbh.

Safe to say there is no Chris Roberts look alikes at Plarium. Maybe they should contact him to get a few lessons in community building -)

It is similar to calling the customer care when you have a problem with the PC.. you dont call the Microsoft Windows or the Technical team to get their attention..

CMs and Mods are like the first line of support. They discuss it with the players filter out understanding from technical issue and then send it to the Devs.

And the devs do what? What is these devs you speak of? 4 Indian guys hired at cheap? We don't know do we? Mods is not Plarium employees and have little else power than just try tidy up the forums and offer help based on their own playing experience. The managers have proven several times they do not undestand the game, or can't even be playing it. 

They very well might be carrier pidgeons that carry our grief to the devs, but there ends the trail. Just about anyone should understand that the key to a successfull mmo is a happy community and player base. Their "milk as much as possible" before the next batch of fools roll in the door doesn't exactly fit that description.

When things start get akward here on the forums in terms of discussions, threads get locked and that just about end of the story (until it repeat itself). 

 Just about any mmo out there got dev blogs, dev diaries and so forth. You know the people actually working on the games communicate with the ones playing them. 

Managers here on the forums take a lot of unjustified flak, but they victims of Plariums system just as the players imho.

johanrayne said:

Warrior said:

zach-rose11 said:

Warrior, with all due respect, I feel like the link you provided me is an outdated version. No one seems to believe that that "tutorial" is helpful, I mean, at least from reading through the comments. It is from 2015, and it is outdated, at least parts of it. Would you care to ask Lord Oberon for an updated version? :) 

I think that the majority of the community is having trouble with BG's and it's causing them to not want to play, or causing them to quit the game. Can't see how Plarium would want this! :(

Hi Zach, That is a link by a player. It gives out the strategy that he uses and not the in game mechanism of BG that plarium has deviced. The main reason we play this game is for the use of strategy if everyone knew the in game BG mechanics then there will be no strategy at all. It will be like a mechanical game. From my honest opinion, giving out the in game mechanics is some thing that Lord Oberon would also not able to do. Hence we as a player need to find it out on what the best method is.

I agree that BG is a risky affair and from a few players have left doing BGs. Infact till 6 months back i was also not doing BG but then i found the way to make profit out of it and it was way before i was even a moderator(it only 2 weeks as Mod). People have switched to low level BGs or only making troops rather than doing BG.

hey,

gratz on becoming a mod.

i am responding to this because it speaks to the population of the game.  the game is designed for either mega coiners or for the mathematically strong using formulas and algorithms.  all others really can only tinker in the game like i do.  there are many more like me in the game that do not belong to the desired populous. if we left, the population would be even smaller.

many leagues and players, have said to do bgs, and players have done them, but for most of those players they find that it is just a resource sink, but that there are mystical ways of doing bgs.  this being the gain of the mathematically strong as strategy.  until the mathematically strong run into the problem of a casual player who does not do formulas.  but for alot of us it is the same issue as always.  9 months ago i could not get a single "payout"  between 25 and 35 with my rune being 36.  i would do 25 or 30 bgs between level 30 and 35 with no "payout".  but i would drop down to level 19 or 20 and get a "payout".  so i stopped doing bgs.

i say this only to state the idea of game population.  the gap between mega coiners and or elite mathematicians and the common folk is to huge for common folk to justify playing this game.  if this is acceptable to the elite, then there should be no talk of shrinking population among the elite.  for it is the desired effect.

i have stated many times that what i, a common folk, would like from the game is true growth paths and not another resource sink.  the only 2 developed by plarium are quests and tribute.  the best growth path is not developed by plarium, that being bot castles for raiding.  everything else is a resource sink,  at least for most that includes bgs.

again the reason for my response is simply to speak to game population.  every time the word strategy is used stating that the common folk should not be part of the population.  think about that.

it may seem like i have been trying to call you out, that is not the case, i have just been quoting you when i thought i could get my view across.

cheers

+1 Truth 

without spending $, you are nothing in this game. 

Even finding a good league that helps you grow/protects you and teaches you the game ect will do very little to change this fact.

Even learning the game via personal experience and/or reading the forums and being "mathematically strong using formulas and algorithms" will do little to change this fact.

this game is set up for you to "lose" troops and gain them back using sapphires in which you have to spend real life money, there is no escaping this, even if you are "smart" eventually we all make mistakes.

its the cycle, this is the game.

Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:

 is starting to feel like a dictatorship, time to rise up people

You're allowed to discuss bgs, but there have already been many threads about bg payouts not working.  We try to close duplicate threads and funnel the discussion into a single thread, to make it easier for devs to follow if they ever decide to. 

You hit the nail on the head "if they ever decide to"

If actual devs did talk to us, communicated.... there would been something like "accountability". Community managers acting like messengers is... sad state of affairs tbh.

Safe to say there is no Chris Roberts look alikes at Plarium. Maybe they should contact him to get a few lessons in community building -)

It is similar to calling the customer care when you have a problem with the PC.. you dont call the Microsoft Windows or the Technical team to get their attention..

BiohazarD said:

 is starting to feel like a dictatorship, time to rise up people

You're allowed to discuss bgs, but there have already been many threads about bg payouts not working.  We try to close duplicate threads and funnel the discussion into a single thread, to make it easier for devs to follow if they ever decide to. 

You hit the nail on the head "if they ever decide to"

If actual devs did talk to us, communicated.... there would been something like "accountability". Community managers acting like messengers is... sad state of affairs tbh.

Safe to say there is no Chris Roberts look alikes at Plarium. Maybe they should contact him to get a few lessons in community building -)

Snowgoon said:

thefray said:

All I know is I track my BG and there is no rhyme or reason to the BG, the mythical box rewards seem to have disappeared about the same time as the banking problem appeared. Low level BG are not an issue as you do not need to load 300 million resources to get a "in sync" reward but you have gone too far with the randomness.

Remember the Yellow Bar Thread?

Many players were accused of cheating, and alonya said 'They are being dealt with'.

My bet is that their banks were nerfed ... and many other innocent players also saw their bank nerfed too

Why else would hundreds of players now have impossible levels of negative banking ... and support refuses to talk to them

As far as I know, no direct changes to people's banks were made.  The banking system itself was changed, but this applied to all players equally. 

We were told do not yellow bar or rewards would be delayed, with BG you have 2 options yellow bar or kill, what other STRATEGY can be employed.

THIS IS NOT A SLOT MACHINE and if you want to say it is by the response of being "out of sync" then there is no STRATEGY 

Why are we told we can't discuss part of the game in "game discussion" should you rename the category "mods choice of topics" or they will be closed and I will probably get banned or warned but maybe some will see this before I am censored.

This is starting to feel like a dictatorship, time to rise up people

small sample of those who play this game, a alt buyer with autobot, he pay?

always in the usual notes leagues, always wake up at least 3 castles

sure deserves access to the VIP program if is not already

We don't understand. What there is to understand?

Snowgoon said:

thefray said:

All I know is I track my BG and there is no rhyme or reason to the BG, the mythical box rewards seem to have disappeared about the same time as the banking problem appeared. Low level BG are not an issue as you do not need to load 300 million resources to get a "in sync" reward but you have gone too far with the randomness.

Remember the Yellow Bar Thread?

Many players were accused of cheating, and alonya said 'They are being dealt with'.

My bet is that their banks were nerfed ... and many other innocent players also saw their bank nerfed too

Why else would hundreds of players now have impossible levels of negative banking ... and support refuses to talk to them

was so in part i find it right  but they have to say, i proposed not to activate hero bonus if BIG negative bank but closed ears

Oh yeah, some people have hastened the programs in the past and now do not are more BG, they know all plan