Gadheras said:

Red said:

Sarah Walker said:

Plarium not doing anything about it says they support the hacking , Plarium spent enough time in frenzies pc to trace the hacker , ok they didnt give any troops back , even to the players who are innocent of any wrong doing , but they should at least make an example of the players who did this , by not doing anything tells me i dont want anything to do with a company like that 

I believe Plarium has handled this poorly.  This is a pay to win game and as such, there has to be a trust relationship between them and the players.  Most take for granted their entertainment spending is secure, right up until something like this happens.  That trust has been broken. 

 Plarium says their server is secure, and I have no reason to doubt that is true.  However, their refusal to take action when a crime has been committed on their property renders the security of their server moot.  Players can't backdoor my account through Plarium's server, but they can compromise someone else's account and destroy my units and league assets through criminal acts.  So, what does Plarium's security matter? I lose units to foul play through no fault of my own.  Do I have to perform a security audit on all players on the server to make sure their accounts can't be hijacked and used to do me harm?

I cannot say that those harmed by this are entitled to get everything back.  I can say that it would be good business for Plarium to restore a fair portion of what was lost as a gesture of goodwill.  Pixels cost them very little, losing players can potentially be very expensive.  Foolish decision on their part considering how many are announcing their intention to quit.

Well, foul play come in many shapes and forms. If you look at this thread @ https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/75529_master-and-helper/?post=393934

If you can start order hammer strikes from bot network such as Master. It as well could affect a lot of players. You could yell foul play at Plarium and demand compensation then too, but I doubt that would happen.

You can infiltrate a league and try collect the IP address of its members, then wait until some big player does a strike or send their army some place then start hammer their Ip with a denial of service. Render them not able to use their internet, and catch their units in the open. Also outside Plariums reach to do anything with. Someone with not much knowledge about computers and such might not even know they been "attacked", and think its some random internet issue. Having a good security system and a firewall up is like a must today. Going through my firewall logs I see a lot of questionable stuff that been bounced off. You want a good lock on your house, same should apply with your computer. 

I get Plariums stance, because they would get swamped in reinbursement requests if they start reinburse players for things that happened outside Plariums zone of influence. 

What happened here feels awfull for the involved people that got affected, but if you look at the whole mmo scene as total. Its nothing new ,or even grand, or unique. Its quite common, and nothing more than a drop in the ocean. Does it make it okay? No, it doesn't but its the world we live in.

My VIP rep tells me that every time Master and Helper are reported, they are banned.  They keep popping up again, probably because they have tons of bots, just change the name on one and they're back in business.  Plarium is taking action against these people.  I do not know if they would take action against someone paying for their services.  Plarium didn't specify other than to warn that doing business with them would be a bad idea.  

I play 2 MMOs.  Both MMOs have had incidents that make me decide to stop spending.  I can honestly see their side in the issue, but having been wronged, I also feel a strong desire for justice.  I still play and don't let such incidents drive me from games I enjoy.  I just vote with my wallet instead.

At the end of the day it is about morals. Some will obviously support the actions of the perpetrators as it suits their agenda. Others will see a total lack of standards and voice their concerns for the game. Personally I think the latter deserve a voice in this case rather than have to listen to arguments defending the culprits, who BTW do not deserve a voice on moral grounds.

And I keep hearing stupid analogies about lending cars etc. I think mine is more to the point

- you witness a person being set upon by a gang (i.e. a crime is taking place)

- what do you do? Ignore the crime as it doesn't affect you.  Or intervene?

In the circles I travel in (real people, not online personas) most would intervene. That was what I was taught to do. Doesn't make me a bad person. But it definitely does allow me to take the high moral ground.

What I am saying is that even in the digital world, those that shun the use of vulnerabilities (more and more vulnerabilities every day) to do harm are taking the high moral ground. Those that relish in (or make excuses for) the exploitation of these obvious vulnerabilities take the low ground. It is really as simple as that.  

Gadheras said:

- however more nasty stuff probably going on behind the scene that is in the dark for us. You can be a bit in awe or semi-impressed at some lenghts people go to achieve what they set out to do, but that doesn't mean you agree. 

- You don't know me, my history or wtf I done and experienced. Just because I support all the awfull things that might happen to you in mmo's doesn't make me any worse or better than anyone else.

Probably going on behind the scenes? Obviously that is what is happening as those that cannot achieve their goals fairly resort to other means. I'm not in awe (or semi-impressed) like you and your cronies. Excusing this behaviour (I'd go as far as saying you promote it) Is sad. You might be in awe and impressed but that just says something about your character. Please stop trying to push your interest in cyber crimes on the rest of us. Most find it repulsive.

Most of us have been hurt by Plarium's actions. I guise it makes sense, when you see something injustice done to someone, when you see cheating and deceitful action being honoured, its only fair to act. 

I vowed never to let evil prosper in my presence. What Plarium did was injustice. The criminal inhumane actions have caused too much harm. But it matters not. Frenzie is a strong person, I know she is stronger than these. She is stronger than these. That is all that matters. 

You can hack and cheat, and lie, but that is nothing in the end.  No one will remember you, or the injustice that you've done. In the end we will remember Frenzie, a dedicated gamer, who survived from a hacker. 

Didn't you take biology at school. We all come from Nigeria, its called the ''out of Nigeria scamming-Africa hypothesis''. 

Oracle said:

ENOUGH

There is a beacon massacre and I still have 15 000 dragons itching for battle. 

LOL, only in your dreams :P
15 is more like it ...

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IronApex Turok said:

Oracle said:

Didn't you take biology at school. We all come from Nigeria, its called the ''out of Nigeria scamming-Africa hypothesis''. 

recent discoveries actually seem to point to greece as the possible origin of modern man. 

Take your pick, where you fit in :p

Red said:

Sarah Walker said:

Plarium not doing anything about it says they support the hacking , Plarium spent enough time in frenzies pc to trace the hacker , ok they didnt give any troops back , even to the players who are innocent of any wrong doing , but they should at least make an example of the players who did this , by not doing anything tells me i dont want anything to do with a company like that 

I believe Plarium has handled this poorly.  This is a pay to win game and as such, there has to be a trust relationship between them and the players.  Most take for granted their entertainment spending is secure, right up until something like this happens.  That trust has been broken. 

 Plarium says their server is secure, and I have no reason to doubt that is true.  However, their refusal to take action when a crime has been committed on their property renders the security of their server moot.  Players can't backdoor my account through Plarium's server, but they can compromise someone else's account and destroy my units and league assets through criminal acts.  So, what does Plarium's security matter? I lose units to foul play through no fault of my own.  Do I have to perform a security audit on all players on the server to make sure their accounts can't be hijacked and used to do me harm?

I cannot say that those harmed by this are entitled to get everything back.  I can say that it would be good business for Plarium to restore a fair portion of what was lost as a gesture of goodwill.  Pixels cost them very little, losing players can potentially be very expensive.  Foolish decision on their part considering how many are announcing their intention to quit.

Well, foul play come in many shapes and forms. If you look at this thread @ https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/75529_master-and-helper/?post=393934

If you can start order hammer strikes from bot network such as Master. It as well could affect a lot of players. You could yell foul play at Plarium and demand compensation then too, but I doubt that would happen.

You can infiltrate a league and try collect the IP address of its members, then wait until some big player does a strike or send their army some place then start hammer their Ip with a denial of service. Render them not able to use their internet, and catch their units in the open. Also outside Plariums reach to do anything with. Someone with not much knowledge about computers and such might not even know they been "attacked", and think its some random internet issue. Having a good security system and a firewall up is like a must today. Going through my firewall logs I see a lot of questionable stuff that been bounced off. You want a good lock on your house, same should apply with your computer. 

I get Plariums stance, because they would get swamped in reinbursement requests if they start reinburse players for things that happened outside Plariums zone of influence. 

What happened here feels awfull for the involved people that got affected, but if you look at the whole mmo scene as total. Its nothing new ,or even grand, or unique. Its quite common, and nothing more than a drop in the ocean. Does it make it okay? No, it doesn't but its the world we live in.

Sarah Walker said:

look at the kettle calling the pot black here , the game is so corrupt its unreal , i bet dj moody spends all his time on the phone to the police in real life , nothing more than a tittle tattle getting involved in everyones business to try and score a few brownie points , you should be one of them special constables 

Please refrain from personal attacks.  You don't have to agree with him.  Just look at this from the point of view of those not involved.  Account sharing is the simplest explanation.  They are not party to the evidence Plarium gathered.  Neither are most of us, for that matter.  I've seen a couple screenshots that sure looked like something fishy going on, but i'm no expert.  I do know enough to know that posting such screenshots on a public forum would be stupid; it would expose sensitive system information that could be used to cause more harm.

Sarah Walker said:

You must know more than me then as i am not aware of Plarium saying it was a result of account sharing 

Plariium never said it was account sharing.  They said that the account was not hacked.  They did not share any other details publicly, which makes sense for the privacy of the victim of the attack.  They did not even disclose any other details of the investigation to those whose accounts were not compromised but were still harmed by this.  

Those who believe account sharing is to blame take this as proof that they are right.  It is one possible angle of attack; that is impossible to deny, especially when much of the server claims she has shared her account with many.  However, it is not the only angle of attack, nor is it the only simple angle of attack.  

Just one example is that your computer can be compromised using information gleaned from TS3.  That is why Oracle's advice to use a VPN and connect to a public place is not a bad idea.  

Since Plarium has locked other threads that delve too deep into discussions of hacking, I'll leave it at that.

Oracle said:

ENOUGH

There is a beacon massacre and I still have 15 000 dragons itching for battle. No one want to see some Australian man cat fighting with European man on the forum about who is more Nigerian. 

Didn't you take biology at school. We all come from Nigeria, its called the ''out of Nigeria scamming-Africa hypothesis''. 

Phylogenically speaking, 99.9991% of earthings have scamming genes. 

And to Gad, trash talking a USA botard is a bad idea, 69% of gamers here are from USA, and they will take offense. 

botard? what is that? that sounds like a insult. at least the 4 last letters of the word. I have a lot of friends in the US, and play with them in lot of different games. You can have different views with people in rl and still have fun together doing things in games and whatever else. If anything, maybe I just insulted clowns, but seeing the news about people dressed up as clowns assulting people... idk... We all come from different walks of life, different opinions, religions, ethncity and race. Being labeled based on any of, or a combination of those things, is down to ignorance and fear of what you don't know. However, calling someone stupid because they are, or rather that is your opinion.. that something different.  Opinion is like aholes, we all got them.

ENOUGH

There is a beacon massacre and I still have 15 000 dragons itching for battle. No one want to see some Australian man cat fighting with European man on the forum about who is more Nigerian. 

Didn't you take biology at school. We all come from Nigeria, its called the ''out of Nigeria scamming-Africa hypothesis''. 

Phylogenically speaking, 99.9991% of earthings have scamming genes. 

And to Gad, trash talking a USA botard is a bad idea, 69% of gamers here are from USA, and they will take offense. 

Trentos said:

But I did't say I wouldn't comment on the 'poo pirate' type civilisation that you support. All makes sense now. Actually I got 100 phone calls from Microsoft and emails about rich African princes from you last week.

lul what? I feel like I should insert 'you know nothing jon snow meme" here....

You must be very special to get so many. On average I think we get like a couple calls a week from fake Microsoft support techs that found a problem on our computer. Which end up slam the phone after a technical debate where their lack of skills shine through :p at great laugh to their disticnt Indian English accent. Troll the shit out of these can be the highlight of the day I tell ya.

Now that I know where you are coming from I won't even try to debate with you

Gadheras said:

humility and modesty was not something high on your agenda I guess. Don't you have a wall to build to reflect the greatness of your country and your clown in charge. 

Build a wall? Who is this clown? You have really lost it. It all makes sense now. 

At least I can be glad that you and your cronies have no idea where I live 55555 

Gadheras said:

humility and modesty was not something high on your agenda I guess. Don't you have a wall to build to reflect the greatness of your country and your clown in charge. 

Build a wall? Who is this clown? You have really lost it. It all makes sense now. 

I was taught to stick up for what I believe in, and one occasion I landed in hospital. 13 stitches was a small cost for saving the life of a veteran. My family had no problem with that, but then again I come from a very proud country where we don't put up with nonsense. There, I just addressed the elephant in the room. Maybe this is a cultural thing?

As for name calling, I take the moral high ground. Those deciding to choose the low road only have themselves to blame.

I was taught to stick up for what I believe in, and one occasion I landed in hospital. 13 stitches was a small cost for saving the life of a veteran. My family had no problem with that, but then again I come from a very proud country where we don't put up with nonsense. There, I just addressed the elephant in the room. Maybe this is a cultural thing?

As for name calling, I take the moral high ground. Those deciding to choose the low road only have themselves to blame.

Gadheras said:

1. Didn't you learn how to read in school? Name calling people because they might have greater knowledge and/or experience with what lenght certain elements might go to achieve things is just sad.

2. If you got a wife, gf, kids, whatever, Im sure they prefer you to be safe and sound to come home to them, than risk have to visit the morgue to identify you right?

1. Are you trying to have a laugh? Maybe I go name calling people? Get a farking life loser. The 'didn't learn to read in school' is generally a last resort for keyboard warriors like you. But that is the where you want to go is it?

2. My family prefer me to retain my morals first and foremost. They expect me to stand up for 'our' right as they cannot. Not hind behind them as an excuse for neglecting my moral responsibility

Gadheras, we obviously come from different places, and have very different views on the world. I think you will find you are a bit different? So don't expect others to blindly believe what you post. Even if you have to post the same thing a dozen times