IronApex Turok said:

i dont think any of us actually care about the RA.  the RA isnt an organized coalition, but rather something that has arisen out of necessity.  I think most of us wishes that there was no need for the RA. 

And clueless is exactly right, Those who are willing to fight in the server war tag themselves RA.  much like a guerilla war or an insurgency.  As the Ra fighters move about from league to league, tagging RA in their names help indicate to other fighters who they are. 

As i conduct my raids around the server, i'll steer clear of another RA fighter so that he may focus his attention on his fight and not have to worry about me coming at him. 

Freedom fighters rallying to reject oppressive dictators.   thats all.   Its not important that they win, just that they fight and not take it sitting down.

Well I sure agree RA is not organized.

I sure hope RA continues their fight for "freedom". We need entertainment, laughs, and fun!

Oppresive dictators? I thank you for the compliment. Compliments likes this just mean we are winning. 

Terms of ceasefire:

All RA leagues should disband.

Members in RA leagues (mainly DP and KT) should leave and join a non-RA league.

War will never cease between these leagues and BR...neither will pikes. 

Or you can accept the Nickels rule of peace: We can attack you, you can not attack back, your welcome to defend! (Well that describes the current war anyway..shrugs)

I have spoken.

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So far I haven't offered my honest opinion about these war. Although I did offer my divine advice before the war began. 

I also adviced DP/GR to join the war here in the forum. I assumed that their joining will affect"war" somehow. 

Right now RA is coining at a level I haven't seen in any game I have played. By estimate, RA must be pumping avarage 1-5K a week in the game. 

BR is coining too. But that is not the point. 

When you look at the fact that you are trying to beat someone at his terms, his game his rules. You kind think how dull this is. 

RA could surrender, and indeed most league have done so. But BR is a PvP league, they game to fight. The only way of winning is not fighting. 

There are other scenario in which RA can win. I have seen these strategy on everquest, and I think it could work. 

Is simple. Instead of trying to beat BR, try beating the game. That is the only way RA could win. 

IronApex Turok said:

i heard bob was dutch viking and has now quit the game. 

These is getting very old. Why don't you PM bob and ask him what he does. 

The guy is very fun to talk to. Atleast his view about the game is not held in higher regards compared to Ted. 

Drunken Dragons did indeed attack the Dark Phoenix 7DS Fortress and down grade it, and yes it was during a duel against Sparte.  Those are the only Facts on here that are correct.  The rest as Donald would say is 'Fake News'....  Lots of uninformed opinions and judgements made without the full knowledge of what is happening.

Once upon a time DP7DS was the sister league to the original Dark Phoenix, thats not the full story now.  In fact it was DP7DS that withdrew any alliances from DD not the other way around.  There were several Marshall changes there and in the word of a very very senior DP member 'they have gone rogue'.

DD took advantage of their inability to co-operate simple as that.  Remember they withdrew alliances first. 

DD has trimmed it's ally / at peace back to sensible levels with leagues that can benefit each other, simple as that,  it's a two way street.

In regard to RA and that alliance, it was formed to reduce LOBR's footprint on the game, a number of leagues supported the cause in name, only very few actually did anything about it.  It served it's purpose, the game has evolved.  LOBR has been reduced to defending it's fortress and raiding the forts of much weaker leagues, Beacons may as well not exist, they are irelevent at the moment.  The strong players in LOBR have either left, moved leagues or taken a watching role.

New alliances are being forged, broken and repaired every day.  In 12 months time things will look different again.

The only consent thing is that DD will continue to attack and hurt LOBR, with or without assistance.  :))

Cranky said:

Drunken Dragons did indeed attack the Dark Phoenix 7DS Fortress and down grade it, and yes it was during a duel against Sparte.  Those are the only Facts on here that are correct.  The rest as Donald would say is 'Fake News'....  Lots of uninformed opinions and judgements made without the full knowledge of what is happening.

Once upon a time DP7DS was the sister league to the original Dark Phoenix, thats not the full story now.  In fact it was DP7DS that withdrew any alliances from DD not the other way around.  There were several Marshall changes there and in the word of a very very senior DP member 'they have gone rogue'.

If what you say is true, why did Annabella RA state in DD chat that DP were threatening war with DD  after the event?

it is very clear that DD needed to find some excuse to upgrade their fortress and this was not authorised by DP.

"Annabella RA: We have a diplo situation w/ DP atm w/ their new marshal threatening us with war. He also did the same w/ Friendship today too. I am hopeful that their old Marshal will step in and tell him how insane he is to threaten to go to War with 2 of the strongest leagues on server in the same day."

Cranky said:

Drunken Dragons did indeed attack the Dark Phoenix 7DS Fortress and down grade it, and yes it was during a duel against Sparte.  Those are the only Facts on here that are correct.  The rest as Donald would say is 'Fake News'....  Lots of uninformed opinions and judgements made without the full knowledge of what is happening.

Once upon a time DP7DS was the sister league to the original Dark Phoenix, thats not the full story now.  In fact it was DP7DS that withdrew any alliances from DD not the other way around.  There were several Marshall changes there and in the word of a very very senior DP member 'they have gone rogue'.

If what you say is true, why did Annabella RA state in DD chat that DP were threatening war with DD  after the event?

it is very clear that DD needed to find some excuse to upgrade their fortress and this was not authorised by DP.

"Annabella RA: We have a diplo situation w/ DP atm w/ their new marshal threatening us with war. He also did the same w/ Friendship today too. I am hopeful that their old Marshal will step in and tell him how insane he is to threaten to go to War with 2 of the strongest leagues on server in the same day."

Oracle said:

IronApex Turok said:

i heard bob was dutch viking and has now quit the game. 

These is getting very old. Why don't you PM bob and ask him what he does. 

The guy is very fun to talk to. Atleast his view about the game is not held in higher regards compared to Ted. 

i already know the truth. but even as Bob's adversary, i grow tired of the rumors. 

So much hate, hostility and distrust in a game which is built for strategy and for fun.

IronApex Turok said:

i already know the truth. but even as Bob's adversary, i grow tired of the rumors. 

im hoping to wear thin anyones interest in talking about bob rumors. 

Rumors=Gossip+Lies

Cranky said:

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Your belief that DD had information on the DP7DS fortress is wrong, we didn't, but unlike a lot of other leagues we understand the game mechanics and know how to get a pretty good idea of how much is in there. That's what we did, simple as that. To say that we took advantage of that hit to level up the fort is correct, who wouldn't.

then you admit you attacked an ally for your own benefit? 

Cranky said:

Iron Apex, we'll agree to disagree then on the status of DP7DS, you have your views I have mine.

Considering i'm the marshal......

i think my views trump yours.  You'll notice that Venom is gone, and the name returned to DPR.  anything that could even be considered a rogue element has been washed out and Charon and I are in full control of all of the sister leagues.  This excuse that it was ever rogue to start with is BS. 

"If you have an opinion other than that, its based on lies someone fed you. "

Ever thought that you were the one misled.

I did some digging and have found the original message, from early January, where the Marshall of DP withdraws the support for DP 7DS and ask to treat them separately to DP.  I'll send it to you privately in game.

I'm even hesitant to do that because it may betray a level of trust, but I pride myself on honesty above all and I can think of no other way to settle this.

Blade said:

I truly feel sorry to hear Bob's condition no matter what our differences are. After all, this is just a game.

I'm not against ppl spending money on this game. End of the day this is a business and what ppl spend on the game is what keep it running. I myself spend a little. Maybe $20 per month or so on good deals. Issue is not about the coiners here. Issue is about the bullies who think less of the others just because they have a bigger credit limit. 

I know a coiner (marshal of a huge league). He had over 600k Dragons. When he hit me I felt so helpless given my level at that time. I was the marshal of a small league back then so I PMed him and told him that our league does not fit their pay grade. Apparently he has attacked because a hot head in our league went ahead and challenged him in an aggressive manner. Then I apologised and the next thing I know is he is extending me a FR and sending us an ally request.  To this day I respect him. 

So its never about the coiners. Its about bullies and the way they play this game. Trying to do what ever it takes to win, even cheating.

So I try my best to give them the finger when ever I can. Most of the time we get knock down. But when we do get to give them the finger, it sure feels soooo good so I keep on play this game :)

Bob, my wishes are with you mate. Get well soon.

Doing whatever to win in a p2w game? Does that surprise you? You can't complain about extreme coining and people swinging their cc's around like penis extensions. Plarium enable this, its part of the game and so called tactics of it. Some players juist like to watch the world burn, and that doesn't make them any less or more worth in terms of players. They just do what some players feel like doing in a pvp game. Do people play games such as Call of Duty and similar with intent of not shooting other players?

Another Black Rose league gone, name changed to Red Rose  ... :)

Due to the combined efforts of KT, DD and DP and continuing hits on these dictators the results be seen:

The RA is on the rise and the demise of Black Rose continues... 

Black Rose 2 exists no longer, the old black Rose captains within that league have  been kicked, quit, left and demoted .

Stray dog is no longer ... and has changed his name in shame .....

... Winter is coming :)

Artisana that just doesn't make any sense,  

I am feeling that you have an axe to grind with DD because you were dismissed from the league.  Really the reason you were dismissed was you were asked repeatedly not to attack by Captains, the Marshal and other senior players but you chose to ignore them.  Simple as that, there are rules that you were aware of and you chose to ignore them.  If anything that goes to the intergrity of the league not against it.

Cranky said:

Artisana that just doesn't make any sense,  

I am feeling that you have an axe to grind with DD because you were dismissed from the league.  Really the reason you were dismissed was you were asked repeatedly not to attack by Captains, the Marshal and other senior players but you chose to ignore them.  Simple as that, there are rules that you were aware of and you chose to ignore them.  If anything that goes to the intergrity of the league not against it.

Another false statement by DD, rofl ...

I have a screen capture of our Marshal asking you to stop attacking Sparte, will that be enough?   

I was also on league chat when yourself, Marty from DD and someone else who I can't remember all asked you to refrain from hitting Sparte and you refused then sent out numerous FB's.  I don't have a screen capture of that so you will just have to rely on my integrity. 

http://prntscr.com/ihkebz

Here is then bit that was cut off the end

[18:38] Annabella RA: Well he needs stop . You are DD now . It will have to end . 

No more attacks .

This was one of the first requests.  There were more that I don't have access to.  

#realnews  #notfalse

Cranky said:

I have a screen capture of our Marshal asking you to stop attacking Sparte, will that be enough?   

I was also on league chat when yourself, Marty from DD and someone else who I can't remember all asked you to refrain from hitting Sparte and you refused then sent out numerous FB's.  I don't have a screen capture of that so you will just have to rely on my integrity. 

http://prntscr.com/ihkebz

Here is then bit that was cut off the end

[18:38] Annabella RA: Well he needs stop . You are DD now . It will have to end . 

No more attacks .

This was one of the first requests.  There were more that I don't have access to.  

#realnews  #notfalse

Nice, thank you for showing all other leagues the relationship between DD and Sparte :)

Note. this post was referring to Sparte to stop attacks on me, and not myself, since I did not actually send any attacks at this point, the only attack that happened here was a single FB from Sparte Georges.

Also, please show that I sent out numerous FBs, since that is completely false also, plus, that message was received after the facts, so again as I stated. You implied that I attacked Sparte after I was told not to, completely false, I have the complete timing and screenshots of these actions.

The real reason here was that Sparte requested my removal from DD, simply because I am me. And also due to the fact that I stated I was unhappy that DD attacked DP 7DS.

It is very clear to all that Sparte and DD both have adopted the playground rules of Black Rose, the league they always cried about, both have copied and are now doing the same things... the hypocrisy is unbelievable :P

" ........ I have the complete timing and screenshots of these actions."

Okay show them,  I've been open and honest showing you the screenshot I had, your turn please. I eagerly await.

The relationship between DD and Sparte is not a secret so I don't know why you are making such a big thing of it.  All leagues including your's have deals with other leagues, simple.

If you believe that D.D and LOBR have adopted the same rules then your head is further in the sand than I thought.