Alyona, that sounds horrible. It is as if a computer manufacturer refused to issue manuals, based on the "intllectual property" pretence. Or even worse, a bank to tell customers: we cannot tell you what is your projected earning is, bacose it is our "propietary information". don't you realize how badly it smells?

shtalmic said:

Alyona, that sounds horrible. It is as if a computer manufacturer refused to issue manuals, based on the "intllectual property" pretence. Or even worse, a bank to tell customers: we cannot tell you what is your projected earning is, bacose it is our "propietary information". don't you realize how badly it smells?

You still can do a right thing and save the game (even though many big players leav or are in a process of leaving). You have pretty doo competitors. If you react too late, the avelange would not be stopped.

In a Bank you've mentioned, nobody will tell you what is happening with your money while they are on your account, how much money the Bank would earn by using your Money, which software they use, security codes, etc. 

Computer manufacturer will never let you know how the core processor works, and will never give you manuals on how to fix it, you'll never know what's inside.

Alyona, come on, don’t embarrass your and my intelligence, please. Nobody asks a bank about “what is happening with your money”. But a bank and you agree on what conditions you receive certain return on your investment. For example, if they keep your money for a year, you will be paid 5% interest at the end of the year. Something similar was in Plarium initially. You invest about 110% of your last large payout – and you get about 110% of that last investment – and so on. That was fair. When you do PVP, multiple missions and tournaments – the logic is: a player get some info to do some kind of planning.

Then you start changing the PP rewards system again and again and again. Using the bank analogy; if the bank says: from this moment, there is no way you can have any idea what interest you get for your investment if at all. You have to be patient, and don’t even ask how many months or even years you have to wait, until you get your investment back, not to mention the interest. Seriously? The bank would be dragged to a court and lose on multiple counts. Why are you saying that same is OK for Palrium? Do you understand what I am talking about?

knigochey said:

If you don't change, that is only a matter of time you wwill be sued.

Read and weep my friend..

https://plarium.com/en/terms-of-use/

You sound like one of those Plarium supporting cast "players", maybe even a staffer.

knigochey said:

You sound like one of those Plarium supporting cast "players", maybe even a staffer.

FYI: you can post whatever "disclaimer" you want, but no court would agree that it gives you  a "right" to deceive conusmers, discriminate against some of them and cause them deliberate damage. 

Hmm.. apart from obviously having no comprehension of what you're reading here https://plarium.com/en/terms-of-use/, I cant decide whether you have a persecution complex or you are just a megalomaniac who thinks that people have nothing better to do than bother with how YOU play this silly browser game..

I am a "Plarium supporting cast player" or "even a staffer" eh?! Yeah, right.. wacko.. 

You might deny your apparent cheerleading, or/and consider yourself a very smart cheerleader. But the traps and walls exist for some cities and don't exist for others. If you chose (or was ordered to) represent plarium's defense, you have to bother at least to read what is the beef. If that is true that the same player documented the funny things while running his own city, but when he is running the other city - there is much fewer obstacles - that is Plaium fault.

And if you are a , that alone is not acting like a mere servant, that alone is not enough to claim your opponents are "megalomaniacs". There is no need to go after each player plarium doesn't want A special program can do profiling and ostracizing non-coiners, for example , and if it is found – that is a pretty good reason for a Class Action. According to Plarium, there are many million players – and the revenue could be in billions. A lot at stake, if some players refuse to pay for lemon.

shtalmic said:

You might deny your apparent cheerleading, or/and consider yourself a very smart cheerleader. But the traps and walls exist for some cities and don't exist for others. If you chose (or was ordered to) represent plarium's defense, you have to bother at least to read what is the beef. If that is true that the same player documented the funny things while running his own city, but when he is running the other city - there is much fewer obstacles - that is Plaium fault.

And if you are a , that alone is not acting like a mere servant, that alone is not enough to claim your opponents are "megalomaniacs". There is no need to go after each player plarium doesn't want A special program can do profiling and ostracizing non-coiners, for example , and if it is found – that is a pretty good reason for a Class Action. According to Plarium, there are many million players – and the revenue could be in billions. A lot at stake, if some players refuse to pay for lemon.

If you are not a megalomaniac then why would you think that Plarium and its staff pick YOU and your likes -conspiracy theorist nuts- out of those millions of players and having billions of dollars in revenue and bothering with NOBODIES like you?!?

As for me.. hehehe.. please make a search in the forum for Kakos.. even with your extremely low IQ that ought to put the matter to rest for good!

After that, just go and start your "Class Action" you tool!!

knigochey said:

guys like I.. could be followed by those gullible millions.. do not deserve even 1 minute more of my time

Yeah.. obviously you are not a megalomaniac with a low IQ.. you and your ilk are "the smart guys".. woe is us..

PS: Kakos means "bad man" in Greek from the word "κακια", is not a "bad word" you ignoramus!

PPS: As for "Kakos is a bad word in Greek, but it is even worse in some other languages" here is something for you http://www.acoolthingilearnedtoday.com/kaka-means-poop/ .. how do you like them cookies..LOL

That is exactly waht I meant about kaka

knigochey said:

So, you admit that you are not going to even try to free me from the deliberate unfair Plarium treatment. 

If there's something I could help you with - just let me know :)

To have the staff  stop messing with my game. Your "secret mechamics" rational is not flying. 

Alyona, come on. I have a smoking gun: two different cities treated definitely.

Tell me that it was "intended" and has nothing to do with vindictive/oppressive Palrium unwritten policies.

So, all the irregularities are intended?

Alyona, have you ever read my initial post? I reported multiple times (with no success) and came to the conclusion that the "bugs" are intended. And it clear now that fixing anything is beyond your powers. 

Xena said:

Mullenz said:

Alyona, have you ever read my initial post? I reported multiple times (with no success) and came to the conclusion that the "bugs" are intended. And it clear now that fixing anything is beyond your powers. 

I'm not a dev but i'm pretty sure that fixing a bug isnt as easy as we all think...Checking the code of a program for sure isn't easy..So finding the problem and fixing it takes time so let's all be a little more patient! 

The "Bugs" have been there at least since April 2015. And they probably help to prompt many players to open their wallets. That is why the chance they will be fixed is Zero. 

As for different treatment of different players - that is a fact, and I can prove it. 

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Mullenz said:

Alyona, have you ever read my initial post? I reported multiple times (with no success) and came to the conclusion that the "bugs" are intended. And it clear now that fixing anything is beyond your powers. 

Xena is right. It takes a lot of time to fix a bug that was reported. 

But if the "bug" is a tool to boost the plarium bottom line - it will take forever to get rid of that boost. 

knigochey said:

1) There are various. Most frequent is when the "To battle" chart shows that a bot or city is available for raiding - but when you raid - it doesn't let you take resources. I am tired to repeat.

2) But most devastating is the rigged PP. Once again, I "invested" all my offensive troops but Carthagenians that are needed for raiding bots - the rigged system did not give a payoff you assured me "is near". 15 minutes ago I wasted most of my defense - and again, the payout is lousy. That means for several months I have to collect troops - just in order to hit a high lvl PP.

Now I can only think about making such MO painful for Plarium. Enough is enough

1) It's not actually a bug. the game remembers the last 100 interactions with Cities. So when you exceed this limit, the data about the previous raids gets erased. I've already asked our devs if we could raise the limit.

2) Calculation of the reward is performed according to the special algorithm. Rewards are received according to your losses at previous PPs. After you reach a certain point you get a prize in Units. This is why you do not receive the reward at each operation. It is normal. Units you send to each PP are counted. You will be given the prize automatically by the system once you hit a certain PP and receive your deserved bonus.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

knigochey said:

Alyona, I feel for you: after all, you are advocating the behavior you cannot approve as a rational decent person. 

1. About 2 years ago, another nice lady told me almost the same. Well, she said it was a bug. And said probably it takes 1-2 moths and suggested that I clear the charts, before starting the scouting, which I do. Irrespective, Plarium is causing the losses - it is supposed to give compensations, not to mention, those compensations are to material, so that would not cost Plarium. But no, Plarium prefers moths-long arguments.

2. Again, you sound like an attorney, defending a  cheating bank:  don't worry, you money is treated fairly. "After a certain point" we will pay you, but what is certain point you will never know. Do you realize that gambling is not what Plarium has a licence for? Any "secret rule" is illegal, not to mention the repeated one-sided re-writing of the programs. And please, I already told you that I know (by comparison to another city) for sure there is a system of oppression specifically against knigochey city. My losses almost double the "previous PPs" - and yet there is no reward. And sure I do not expect to get "at each operation". If that disaster doesn't stop - I will have to go class action attorney. 

1) When it was first reported by Support or CMs, it was indicated as a bug, but our devs gave the clarification and explained why it's not a bug. As for the compensations. if you had any in-game losses because of a bug or any issue on our end, you can contact our Support Team and ask for a compensation. However, please remember that according to our Reimbursement policy potential gain cannot be compensated as it's not reviewed as a loss.

2) Players are not obliged to play PPs. It's just one of the in-game activities available for you. 

1. So, your logic is like that: if Plarium destroyed what a player has in barn – there could be some conversation (even though you never satisfied any of my complaints). But if you burn my booty, before I reach it – you wash your hands. Even if Plarium has that “disclaimer” in small letters somewhere, that doesn’t justify its clear discrimination against certain players. It is still illegal

2. We are not obliged to play ANY part of the game, do we? When you advertise yourself as a “free game”, that means non-coiners have a chance to compete. Plarium manipulations kill that chance. There are plenty of double-digit IQ players who are conspicuously “successful”, most likely because they are somehow favored. And they definitely know the “secret rules”, for example, what 15 minutes of each hour are best for payouts. Again, that is discrimination. Very bad smell.