what do you mean by more balanced. Here is an example  that its not and Plarium has it all wrong.  In order to get the next reward of 20 Drachmas and 10 

thorakites (see first screen capture) I need to get 490 points and that would take me losing 200 Mount Peltas. (see the second screen capture). Is there some

 new math that I dont know about. How is that balanced, Dont you people understand, people dont like to lose and one of the main reason that people leave 

the game is Persian Positions. If you let people win in Persian Positions, we will lose it in PVP and we cant blame Plarium for that, and you will keep more people 

playing the game and feeling that Plarium didnt ripp them off and make more money. people will have fun and tell their friends about the game and you will 

get more customers, 

when someone quits the game mad at Plarium they tell all their friend that they got ripped off playing this game and those friend tell their friend,  so and so 

got ripped off at Plarium and people dont like to lose and wont play with Plarium

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GODlikePOWers said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Let's say your chain continues. There will be a moment when you will need to pay 200+ mil to receive a 100 mil payout. But as the bank already has 100+ mil extra, shouldn't it give you one more 100 mil payout without new investments? Just curious, if you've been at that point.

Alyona, how can it give one more (extra) payout when the max payout has already just been paid out? Or are you saying that, in fact, that is exactly what will happen?

No, I'm just asking. I still don't understand why should the % increase each time if you get the same payout? Shouldn't it be like 

100 mil payout - 110 mil invested

100 mil payout - 110 mil invested

100 mil payout - 110 mil invested

100 mil payout - 110 mil invested?

As the % depends on your last payout, not on your last investment. (in that case it would be like RIX said: 100-110, then 100-120, then 100-130, etc).

That's the last question, I promise :)

GODlikePOWers said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Let's say your chain continues. There will be a moment when you will need to pay 200+ mil to receive a 100 mil payout. But as the bank already has 100+ mil extra, shouldn't it give you one more 100 mil payout without new investments? Just curious, if you've been at that point.

Alyona, how can it give one more (extra) payout when the max payout has already just been paid out? Or are you saying that, in fact, that is exactly what will happen?

No, I'm just asking. I still don't understand why should the % increase each time if you get the same payout? Shouldn't it be like 

100 mil payout - 110 mil invested

100 mil payout - 110 mil invested

100 mil payout - 110 mil invested

100 mil payout - 110 mil invested?

As the % depends on your last payout, not on your last investment. (in that case it would be like RIX said: 100-110, then 100-120, then 100-130, etc).

That's the last question, I promise :)

RIX said:

No, ideally, you should always get a payout of 10% over your repayment. But like I said, at some point the loan is capped but the repayment is not and if you continue to play Persians you will eventually lose your entire army and never benefit again.

I've never seen such players. And never heard of such situations from Support Team or from anyone in Plarium.

Let's check it on a real example. If you know any player with such issue, let me know his coords and I will check if everything is ok with his Positions. 

I used to check some players who got to the top and raided many high-level Positions (in other games). And they didn't have such issue. 

Of course I cannot reveal how the system works or what are the numbers, but I guess I can confirm if there is an issue you're talking about, or not. On a real example.

How do you feel about this idea?

Ok this is a real example:

Level 125-150 payout is 25,000 mounted pelts,  THATS the end of the Game.  You cannot get a payout higher than this forever and ever.

So now you must pay back 187,500,000 million in resources plus at least 10-20% interest back on the loan for the next payout which cannot be greater than 25,000 mounted pelts.

187,500,000 + 18,750,000 (10%) = 206,250,000 TOTAL AMOUNT MUST BE PAID BACK FOR THE NEXT PAYOUT.

Next payout: 25,000 mounted pelts!

206,250,000 + 20,625,000 (10%) = 226,875,000 TOTAL AMOUNT MUST BE PAID BACK FOR THE NEXT PAYOUT

Next payout = 25,000 mounted pelts!

These are the REAL MAXIMUM PAYOUTS BELOW:

25,000 Mounted Pelts

17,500 Promachos

7000 Agema  

If you have received one of these payouts, that's the end of the line for payouts but the loan never caps, it just increases and increases.

We've already stated that we will never show any details about PP bank - neither numbers, nor progress bars. It's classified. 

Hello Rix,

The payout value is always depending only on the level you hit and never had any relation with your investment.

If level 125 positions should give 100 M payouts, then they'll never give more (nor less), regardless of what you spent (paid the bank back) to trigger the payout.

As Alyona explained, the value to pay back is only depending on your previous payout.

Once the bank is paid back, if you're looking for a bigger payout value, then your only possibility is to hit a higher level position.

Why on earth is this information classified?  Do you work for Planarium or the Pentagon? Do we need to get Snowdon & Assange on the case?

Ah yes. No idea why I thought it was "Planarium".  Lol.

 I  I have found the 50% boost ineffective as well. My  results  with the Persian positions  ( troop gains and losses)  seem about  the same as they are without the 50 %  boost

what does  your response ( better to reduce losses) have to do with my observation that the 50% boost which can be purchased for 7 days appear to have no real significant  impact. I've  deployed comparable offense or defense ( type and number of units) against similar  Persian levels both with  and without the 50% boost. the results are pretty much the same. i would think a 50% power boost would have a more substantial impact.  ... and this is is against   Persian levels in the 20's and 30's

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

If you know any player who is experiencing the issue you've described, please let me know and I will check him.

I have also passed your words to our developers.

So, Alyona, what's the word? Are the high level PPs functioning as they should? Is there, or is there not, an issue with the very high level positions re: max possible payout remaining the same while bank payouts continually increase?  Is there even a max possible payout?

I'm asking because in just a few days I will be close to doing 140-150, and value my army.

- Thanks.

GLP said:

So, Alyona, what's the word? Are the high level PPs functioning as they should? Is there, or is there not, an issue with the very high level positions re: max possible payout remaining the same while bank payouts continually increase?  Is there even a max possible payout?

I'm asking because in just a few days I will be close to doing 140-150, and value my army.

- Thanks.

Hi!

Yes, high-level PPs work as intended. We haven't received any reports about any issues with the payouts. Only rumors which were not confirmed.

There is a max. possible payout as there is a limit for everything in our game. Including payouts. 

this post has served its purpose, therefore I am locking it

if you have further comments please raise them in a ticket on the following link 

whilst Plarium DOES listen posting the same things over and over is counter productive 

many thanks 

http://support.plarium.com/ensparta/Tickets/Submit

GLP said:

Why on earth is this information classified?  Do you work for Planarium or the Pentagon? Do we need to get Snowdon & Assange on the case?

This morning it was Plarium I work for 

RIX said:

Like others have mentioned, if there was a BAR or Meter in the Oracle like there is for experience to next level, that showed you how far away you are from your next payout instead of all this calculation crap and guessing like this is a Casino, the number of players playing Persians would SKYROCKET and this game would have confidence restored.  I GURANTEE IT

We've already stated that we will never show any details about PP bank - neither numbers, nor progress bars. It's classified. 

Well moderators can spin one way or the other. But what players care is bottom line - that is will we get  the same or more from troops we've invested in PP. Or do we get less.

Personally i've lost over 12 000 Mounted peltast in PP!  That is ~ 550 days of nonstop building them.

If this is "how it suppose to work" - then thank you but  i wont do it anymore. 

I believe the same goes to many other players.

RIX said:

These are the REAL MAXIMUM PAYOUTS BELOW:

7000 Agema  

Hmm.. not quite..  

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Hello Rix,

The payout value is always depending only on the level you hit and never had any relation with your investment.

If level 125 positions should give 100 M payouts, then they'll never give more (nor less), regardless of what you spent (paid the bank back) to trigger the payout.

As Alyona explained, the value to pay back is only depending on your previous payout.

Once the bank is paid back, if you're looking for a bigger payout value, then your only possibility is to hit a higher level position.

I agree you used to get higher values before they fixed the bug, but it still didn't have any relation with your investment. In fact, you were getting the partials you should have gotten if you had finished off the other positions instead of leaving them unfinished to one bar.

These partials were erroneously paid along with the fixed (almost : it can vary from + to - 7.5%) payout value, thus exceeding the originally planned values.

Then you could finish off those one bar weakened positions and get the related partials a second time.

This is where the bug was, and you were actually exploiting it.

As a result, payouts are only back to normal now.

On the other hand, don't forget that the partials you can still get by finishing off the weakened positions (usually with residual troops) will still give you partials that are still part of your total gains.

In addition, their values are much more random, and they can sometimes be as huge as half a standard payout value for the related levels.

However, I regret they lowered them a few months ago, probably as a first attempt to minimize the bug's effects.

Now it's fixed, I wish they would be made back to their original values, as now, outside payouts, the losses are too huge compared to the too small compensations we get.

Alyona, do you think this would be possible, please ?