CIM said:

Just to make it clear ... the attack doesn't happen DURING maintenance ... at that time the game is not running ... it happens right after the game is brought up ... so the shield only needs to be effective at the time maintenance takes place ... not 10 to 20 minutes before maintenance ... but seems like you got a group of people after you ...

I'm not sure about that : When it happened to me, at the time I was logged out, the enemy marching on me still had more than 15 minutes to walk. I was lucky because, if I hadn't been able to recall my troops, they would have come back 2 minute too late.

But then I have been logged-out immediately afterwards, and I have been repetitively checking to log on again, and at the time I managed to come back, the first two attacks had already taken place ! So, as far as I understood it, the fact that the game was in limited access, didn't mean it's internals had stopped running. Only the access to the game seemed to have been on hold. Not the game itself.

Rocketman said:

I think how it work now is fine

If a group of players can decide to attack one target at the very last second before the system going in maintenance, it will make that :

- all attacks will be notified at the same time
- defender will be forcibly disconnected before he can react to the notification
- all attacks will occur during the maintenance time, exactly as if all attacker had relocated near the attacked town, but without the attackers having to pay for the relocating costs.

1/ For what reason, do you believe doing that and being able to do that is not abusing the rules ?

2/ for what reason, do you believe forcibly giving the defender 10-20 minutes to react by setting an automatic peace treaty for the 10-20 minute before the maintenance and until it ends, would be wrong ?

pilou said:

CIM said:

1) if you are in game no reason not to see the warning

2) you never know how long maintenance can take

3) so now seems you are saying you log out without shield

4) so use an 8 hour shield

Look they have to do maintenance I already support and have put forth for them to automatically shield all towns at the time of maintenance for 24 hours ... in case someone logs in in the morning but can't because a maintenance is going on and then they need to go to work and weren't able to reset their shield ... or other reasons that would not be their own fault ...

But not allowing people to attack for 10 to 20 minutes before maintenance doesn't make sense to me ... it doesn't resolve a lot of the problems that happens ... it just seems to resolve you not wanting to shield for maintenance ... which then what if you aren't able to get on right after maintenance what is going to happen then to your town if you don't shield ... ???

1/ Yes there are, It's not because you are logged in, that you always stay on the game window (modern environments support multitasking, you know !). When this happened to me, I was very lucky to just have a look at the exact right moment.

2/ we don't know how long maintenance will take but that irrelevant since the problem is not when it stops but when it starts, and the attacker knows it exactly.

3/ This is not about what I do. What I do is irrelevant too (in fact I usually just don't log-out. Sometimes, I'm just AFK).

4/ Maintenance is rarely more than 1h, so even using 8h will be a waste.

I wonder why you criticize just to criticize. At no time, you analyzed my argument but you just told that thing are OK like they are. Is this that you want to keep this possibility to attack people (especially unexperienced players) in such a way that would make difficult for them to defend themselves ? Why would it be wrong to shield everybody during maintenance and the 10-20 minutes before ? Or do you just prefer a game system which favor experienced players against new ones ?

The reason why it is useful, is to avoid people using out of the game system constraints to make unblockable surprise attack (that why I consider it cheating). It would still be possible to do be relocating your town just side-to-side with the one you want to attack but then, you need to spend a relocating booster to do that.

First I already said I think they should put 24 hour shields on all towns when a maintenance is happening ... reread and you will see I said it more than once in this thread and I have made a thread suggesting this.  So I never said things are ok as they are ... I said that what you are saying doesn't add up.  Now I will address the specifics again.

1) If you are logged in but away from screen and unshielded ... how are you going to defend your town if you aren't watching?  And what are you saying you were away for an hour from your screen and just last minute saw a maintenance was happening ... ??? because we usually get an hour notice for maintenance ... which I do not think is long enough if it is scheduled maintenance.

2) Well defender knows exactly when maintenance starts also ... so take defensive action ... and if you are unshielded and you aren't watching there is nothing plarium ought to do to protect you ... and if you don't know when maintenance is starting because you are AFK and unshielded ... I think you have bigger problems than maintenance.  And if an attack is sent out right before maintenance and doesn't happen before maintenance then it doesn't happen during maintenance BUT after game is brought back up ... so a shield put on automatically when the game is brought up should protect against such attacks.

3) I hardly ever log out either ... but I don't sit around unshielded and AFK ... if you say you do and that plarium has to do something to protect you because you do this ... well please.

4) Seriously ... you just don't use shields and are AFK and want to make out like maintenance is a problem ... I think you have bigger problems than maintenance.

CIM said:

1) if you are in game no reason not to see the warning

2) you never know how long maintenance can take

3) so now seems you are saying you log out without shield

4) so use an 8 hour shield

Look they have to do maintenance I already support and have put forth for them to automatically shield all towns at the time of maintenance for 24 hours ... in case someone logs in in the morning but can't because a maintenance is going on and then they need to go to work and weren't able to reset their shield ... or other reasons that would not be their own fault ...

But not allowing people to attack for 10 to 20 minutes before maintenance doesn't make sense to me ... it doesn't resolve a lot of the problems that happens ... it just seems to resolve you not wanting to shield for maintenance ... which then what if you aren't able to get on right after maintenance what is going to happen then to your town if you don't shield ... ???

1/ Yes there are, It's not because you are logged in, that you always stay on the game window (modern environments support multitasking, you know !). When this happened to me, I was very lucky to just have a look at the exact right moment.

2/ we don't know how long maintenance will take but that irrelevant since the problem is not when it stops but when it starts, and the attacker knows it exactly.

3/ This is not about what I do. What I do is irrelevant too (in fact I usually just don't log-out. Sometimes, I'm just AFK).

4/ Maintenance is rarely more than 1h, so even using 8h will be a waste.

I wonder why you criticize just to criticize. At no time, you analyzed my argument but you just told that thing are OK like they are. Is this that you want to keep this possibility to attack people (especially unexperienced players) in such a way that would make difficult for them to defend themselves ? Why would it be wrong to shield everybody during maintenance and the 10-20 minutes before ? Or do you just prefer a game system which favor experienced players against new ones ?

The reason why it is useful, is to avoid people using out of the game system constraints to make unblockable surprise attack (that why I consider it cheating). It would still be possible to do be relocating your town just side-to-side with the one you want to attack but then, you need to spend a relocating booster to do that.

CIM said:

Do you shield when you log off for the day?  Well if you do then you have to consider maintenance like that and shield.  If you don't and you are logged off and unshielded ... well then that is going to be what happens during maintenance.  And best shields to buy for long time shielding are in the Huge retreat coffers ... fro 4100 gold you get a 3 day shield and a relocation. 

No this is not the same thing at all, for four reasons :

1/ when you log-out, you do it at the time you decided it and for this reasons, it is not a problem to log out at that time. When the system goes on maintenance, it may happen without you having seen the warnings

2/ When you log-out you do it for a longer period than when the system goes on maintenance, and it makes sens to use an 8h shield, which is not the case for maintenance.

3/ when you log-out without shielding, you are the only one to know your are not watching the game anymore, while when the system goes on maintenance, every one knows exactly at what time (give or take a few seconds) you won't be able to react.

I wasn't talking about an attack on a tile, but an attack on your town. When an agressor attacks your town, you can take defensive measures to defend your town, which can be :

- Call back you troups to defend your town,

- resurrect dead from a previous fight or heal injured,

- use some defensive measure.

- etc.

The cheat consists in launching one or more attack(s) on another town, at the exact time the system will become unreachable, so that the defender is unable to take any action to defend his town before the enemy troups reach him. That's why I'm telling the system should impose a peace treaty at that time in order to avoid this situation.

CIM said:

Maybe better to recall troops before the game goes into maintenance ... .

I don't see any reason why it would be better.

1/ recalling you troups is not the only defensive measure you could use when you are under atttack
2/ It won't help anyone to have one's troupe being automatically recalled, just because there was a maintenance.