ANYONE said:

So I did the quick test. 

Sustained attack took me to 365% and killed the invader without me reaching my maximum available %

There isn't going to be great data from just doing one run.

Though it would seem to suggest that you reach a higher damage level,are using less energy per hit, and a lower number of hits, for a much lower total energy consumption, from which I assume you missed  a zero.

Comparing sustained against a combination of sustained and enhanced, the number of hits needed and,the quality of drop didn't seem to improve much,the loot from the kill blow was mainly green, with only one blue item, but as you mentioned,results can vary from one invader to another, so it would take more testing to eliminate the luck of the dice roll.

You will never reach 600% Sustain Attack vs. Regular Invaders.

If you have Royal Guards Gear & Strong Invader Research, you will kill the Regular Invader long before you reach 600% Sustain Attack.

The only time you reach 600% Sustain Attack is against Uber Invaders.

The Uber will generally have 35-45% Health remaining depending on how many times you Critical hit the Uber.

You can then finish the Uber off with an Enhanced Attack.

In order to improve your chances of getting Legendary Drops, It all comes down to Damage.

The more health you can take away from the Invader in 1 hit.

The better the rewards will be.

The Uber invader starts off with 100% health.

The more attacks you do - The more your Sustain Attack rams up.

When the Uber Invader Health gets around 35-45%, You will be at your peek damage.

Your Sustain Attack will have reached its max limit 600%.

You will be doing your maximum Damage to the Uber.

The Majority of your drops will be very good from 45% health to 10% health.

Once, you reach 10% Health on the Uber.

The rewards begin to tapper downward.

It is because the Uber begins to run out of health.

I seem to recall that the longest spreadsheet I have been shown had been kept for just over a year.   The conclusion that drops produced more and better items sticking with sustained attack throughout looked compelling to me.  I suspected that an Invader with just 0.1 life left might produce a much worse result when dying but my own experience has confirmed that this does not seem to be so.

If you are shown any of the spreadsheets they do suffer from a weakness, namely that there are inbuilt assumptions, primarily as to the amount of available energy and the amount of available time.  They tend to be kept by Vikings:Game of Shopping players so that the assumption is that energy is unlimited.  Conclusions as to the distribution of Invader's skill points needs to be looked at with that in mind.

Player J said:

The 2 reasons I gave do hold up!

The Lynx Fur is guaranteed to fall from either the Lynx or Gepid.

This is 100% fact - You can't get Lynx Fur from any other location.

The game has a chart which shows you all the drops given by each invader.

The game has programmed the Lynx Fur to drop from the Lynx Invader or Gepid Uber Invader.

The chance to get a Lynx Fur as a drop material from Lynx is 1 out of 5.

The chance to get a Lynx Fur as a drop material from Gepid Uber invader is 1 out of 20.

 

When I say the chance to get a Lynx Fur from an Lynx Invader is 1 out of 5.

I don't mean if you attack a Lynx Monster 5 times - You will get 1 Lynx Fur.

That isn't what I am saying.

You have to remember the game has other drops in addition.

Gems - Peace Shields - Gold - etc.

Other items are dropping in addition to the Materials which drop from the Invader.

What I am saying is strictly based on material drops itself!

The Lynx Invader only has 5 materials it can drop at any given time.

-Lynx Fur

-Leather Straps

-Oak Handle

-Raw Hide

-Rough Blade

The material drop pool amount is reduced vs. Gepid Uber invader material drop pool amount.

The Gepid Uber invader has 20 different materials which can drop from it.

You can acquire a specific item faster from the Regular invader vs. Uber invader.

This statement I am making is factual because I have tested it myself.

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I never said only Khazar gear.

Players can mix in Hun gear pieces, but in my experience it isn't necessary.

Here is what you have to understand.

The Royal Guardmen Gear is the Best Invader Gear for improving your Damage + Reducing energy cost vs. Invader.

The problem is you can't wear any of the Royal Guardsmen Gear, until your hero is level 45.

How do you plan to reach level 45 with your hero? You have several options I suppose.

- You could spend money on the game to buy Hero Experience Pack from Bank.

- You could spend money on the game to buy Task Refreshes Pack from Bank. 

- You could spend gold to buy Hero Experience from Items - Treasure.

- You could spend gold to buy Task Refreshes from Items - Bonuses.

- You could spend energy attacking Invaders to level up your hero.

Free 2 Play Players or Low Spending Players may not have a lot of money to spend on Bank Offers.

If you can't spend on Bank Offers, You can't buy Hero Experience Packs or Task Refresh Packs which give Hero Experience.

Free 2 Play Players or Low Spending Players may not want to use Gold on Hero Experience or Task Refreshes.

They might want to conserve there free gold for more important things like upgrading there buildings + research.

So it leaves you with 1 option - Attacking invaders so your hero levels up to level 45.

What gear will you use?

Are you going to attack an invader with no gear on? 

Do you think attacking an invader naked with no gear is good idea?

Obviously, you should wear gear which helps you vs. invaders.

There are only 2 gears types of gear which can help you vs. Invaders below level 44.

1st gear type = Hero Restoration Gear ------> It helps restore energy faster.

2nd gear type = Hero Experience Gear -----> It helps your hero gain more experience to level up faster.

Obviously, I think the gear you should chose is the Hero Experience Gear.

The Khazar Invader drops materials which can help you create Hero Experience Gear.

The Hun Invader drop materials which can help you create Hero Experience Gear.

The Best Hero Experience Gear in the game is the following:

Hun Helmet ----------> Fur Hat 

Hun Armor -----------> Stepped Caftan

Khazar Sword -------> Khazar Bow

Khazar Boots -------> Wanderer Boots 

Hun Amulet ----------> Golden Bracelets

However, It would be stupid for people to do the above set up.

The set up they should do is the  set up I did!

Check out the following set up:

Khazar Helmet -----------------------------------> Plated Helmet

Man Eater or Barbarian Armor ---------------> Bear Coat or Barbarian Armor

Khazar Sword ------------------------------------> Khazar Bow 

Khazar Boots ------------------------------------> Wanderer Boots 

Khazar Amulet ----------------------------------> Inlaid Belts

The Khazar Amulet give 2% less Hero Experience vs. Hun Amulet, but in exchange it gives you so much extra benefit.

---> You get 18% March Speed to travel to the invaders faster.

---> Your hero can be level 35 to wear Khazar Amulet vs. having to be level 40 to wear Hun Amulet.

---> You will need the Khazar Amulets in the future as materials to craft Bjorn Goblet Amulet (Building Speed Amulet)

Clearly, you can see how the trade off is so worth it!

No reason for you to craft the Golden Bracelet.

Notice again how I recommend the Khazar Helmet vs. Hun Helmet

The Khazar Helmet gives you 10% less Hero Experience vs. Hun Helmet, but in exchange look at the benefits.

---> Easy Access - You will be attacking the Khazar Invader tons of times to get materials.

You will need Khazar materials to make Amulets, Boots, Swords!

You will acquire all the materials needed to make the Khazar Helmet in the process!

---> You will need the Khazar Helmet in the future as materials to craft Hermits Boots (Shaman Learning Speed Boots)

Once again, We arrive to the simple conclusion which I said all along.

Players with a hero level 35 to 44 should craft Khazar Gear.

It is the Best Invader Gear for them to use below level 44.

Players with a hero level 45+ should craft Royal Guard Gear.

It is the Best Invader Gear for them to use above level 45.

The Royal Guard gear gives you the most damage per hit.

The Royal Guard gear gives you reduce energy cost when attacking invaders.

BUT YOU HAVE TO BE LEVEL 45.

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I was able to max out my Invader Research with a hero level 38.

I was able to attack Uber Invaders with a level 38 hero.

I was able to wear 4 gear pieces at level 38.

- 2x Khazar Amulets

- 1x Khazar Shoes

- 1x Man-Eater Armor

When my hero reached level 40, I was able to wear Khazar Helmet.

My hero was gaining double the experience fighting Uber Invaders using this Hero Experience suit.

It helped me reach level 45 so much faster!

When my hero reached level 45, I began swapping my gear.

I swapped from Hero Experience & Hero Restoration gear to Hero Offense & Hero Endurance gear

Hero Offense & Hero Endurance is what the Royal Guardsmen gear gives.

Thanks again for the long explanation, and the results of your experience which will be of use to many players.

I maintain, that my suggestion, that the drop of Lynx gear from either of the invaders suggested is not guaranteed.

Yes these invaders have this item, but it is possible to keep hitting these invaders and get something else or nothing at all, which is why sometimes it takes so long to get the materials needed to make legendary equipment.

Whatever drops is completely random, whatever the odds might be, as for example with tossing a coin, the odds are 50/50,but,it's possible that  you can never get a specific side, because every time the coins flipped, its a new flip, and the coin doesn't know what it did before.

I have been doing a lot of dismantling of dragon rings lately, where you can get either elixir or a diamond back,ideally the stock returned would be balanced  to make it easier to reforge more, but often its not. 

I haven't actually counted  the amount of things that an uber can drop, but it think its considerably more than 20 different items.

As to attacking invaders naked, there is no option to do otherwise until you get enough material to forge some.

It is true to say that there is an element of luck and skill and other gaming factors  that can speed up gathering the hero's experience and gear which will be different for other players.

ANYONE said:

Thanks again for the long explanation, and the results of your experience which will be of use to many players.

I maintain, that my suggestion, that the drop of Lynx gear from either of the invaders suggested is not guaranteed.

Yes these invaders have this item, but it is possible to keep hitting these invaders and get something else or nothing at all, which is why sometimes it takes so long to get the materials needed to make legendary equipment.

Whatever drops is completely random, whatever the odds might be, as for example with tossing a coin, the odds are 50/50,but,it's possible that  you can never get a specific side, because every time the coins flipped, its a new flip, and the coin doesn't know what it did before.

I have been doing a lot of dismantling of dragon rings lately, where you can get either elixir or a diamond back,ideally the stock returned would be balanced  to make it easier to reforge more, but often its not. 

I haven't actually counted  the amount of things that an uber can drop, but it think its considerably more than 20 different items.

As to attacking invaders naked, there is no option to do otherwise until you get enough material to forge some.

It is true to say that there is an element of luck and skill and other gaming factors  that can speed up gathering the hero's experience and gear which will be different for other players.

It is very hard to talk with you "Anyone".

You seem to have convinced yourself that you are right.

No matter what I say - You believe you are right.

You say you are maintaining your suggestion.

I'm trying to tell you the suggestion your maintaining isn't right?.

My Invader Research is maxed.

Your Invader Research isn't maxed. 

I don't understand why you believe you are right when you know your Research isn't maxed.

Don't you realize RNG doesn't exist?

I have 10 billion energy on my account.

Just think about that.

I will go on a Crusade and kill every Invader in my Kingdom.

There will be no Invaders left standing, until I get the materials I want.

I will have Hero Offense Buff

I will have Double Summon to attack with 2 heroes.

My hero name is Grim Reaper.

He leaves nothing, but death in his quake.

Do you really think RNG will have any influence?

It's not a question of "IF" the materials drop.

It's a question of "WHEN" will the materials drop.

Will it take me 1 hour or 2 hours or 1 day?

I will attack, until it is mine!

This is why I keep telling you the Ubers are the best, but not when your looking for a specific material.

If you are looking for a specific material, You should attack the Regular Invader.

Let's be very clear - I am not the first person to tell you the above statements which I have highlighted.

A player told you the same exact thing 1 year ago on this thread.

Laird Brini - July 17 2019 - He has 3 upvotes because what he is saying is true!

I don't know this person - I have never met this person before in my life.

They have come to the same conclusion as me.

I'm trying to help you change your thinking.

Obviously, you are free to go down any path you wish to go down.

I just thought you was trying to find information on what the right path was.

It really doesn't matter if you are right, or if you are wrong, you can play the game however you want to, but you cant make others play like you do if they don't want to,or cant,because they don't have the amount of energy you claim to have.

Efficiency ,which is what I was requesting the answer to,is redundant if you have millions to spare.

I don't necessarily disagree that ubers are good, though not as good as they once were.

We are only here , because another player posted to my original question,and you came in with your input.

Its no good telling me what I already knew about ubers and not answering the question I asked , but answering the question you wanted to, that's how exams are failed.

It doesn't matter how good ubers are if you haven't the energy to attack them,and are just wanting to make the most of the energy available and current game status.

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ANYONE said:

It really doesn't matter if you are right, or if you are wrong, you can play the game however you want to, but you cant make others play like you do if they don't want to,or cant,because they don't have the amount of energy you claim to have.

Efficiency ,which is what I was requesting the answer to,is redundant if you have millions to spare.

I don't necessarily disagree that ubers are good, though not as good as they once were.

We are only here , because another player posted to my original question,and you came in with your input.

Its no good telling me what I already knew about ubers and not answering the question I asked , but answering the question you wanted to, that's how exams are failed.

It doesn't matter how good ubers are if you haven't the energy to attack them,and are just wanting to make the most of the energy available and current game status.

If energy was no object , I would definitely not  worry about wasting it, and would attack ubers, even without maxing invader knowledge,as it wouldn't be necessary.

Efficiency is the state or quality of being efficient.

Efficient is achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense.

I have shared with you the definitions of the word Efficiency & Efficient.

Both words have nothing to do with whether or not a person has millions of energy to spare or not.

The words represent a person striving to do the best they can with what is available to them while being mindful of the cost.

The fact I have millions of energy only gives me another perceptive.

Some days, I use tons of Energy Refills.

I attack different monsters to see which one gives me the best things.

Other days, I chose not to use any Energy Refills.

It could be due to a lot of reasons as to why I wouldn't use my Energy Refills.

Maybe, the Game has invaders which I don't need materials from.

Maybe, I am busy doing something in real life and don't have the time to use a lot of Energy Refills.

Days like these - I only use the energy which is available to me.

The energy which the game restores naturally on my account.

I know what it is like to not have energy.

I know what it is like to have energy.

Regardless of the situation, I still strive to be Efficient.

As far as failing an exam, The truth is everyone on this thread has answered your question.

The answer they gave was a subtle answer which you refused to accept.

What invader gives the best value? Ubers

You know this answer.

Everyone has told you this answer.

You refused to accept this answer.


Than you asked a question.

I would now like to know how to get the best materials from L.5 invaders?

You can't get the best materials or value from L.5 Invaders.

The best materials & value comes from Ubers which is what everyone has already told you.

They were answering your question is a very subtle way.

In fact, I want to rehearse this thread.

Sometimes, it can be very helpful to hear another person retelling a thread.

You started the thread 1 year - You said how do I get the best Value.

-------> They flocked to your thread - YOU NEED TO ATTACK UBERS FOR BEST VALUE!

-------> The OP made an excuse - I can't attack Ubers - My research isn't high enough.

-------> They told you to stop what your doing - GET YOUR INVADER RESEARCH MAXED - THAN ATTACK UBERS!

-------> The OP made another excuse - I don't have enough energy.

-------> They told you to save energy - SO YOU CAN ATTACK UBERS.

--------> The OP ignored them all and asked them what invader should he attack in the meantime

--------> They told you - You can attack any other Garbage Invader you want - IT DOESN'T MATTER

--------> UBERS ARE THE BEST BABY - If you want to succeed, You attack Ubers!

---------> Threads goes dead for 1 year

---------> Players comes back - Says you know what? - Out of all the garbage invaders - level 1 invaders not so bad.

---------> Attacking level 1 invaders can help you unlock the "On The Hunt Achievement"

---------> "On the Hunt Achievement" can give you more gold so you can attack MORE UBERS!

---------> Players come to the revived thread - Yeah, what your saying is solid advice

---------> The OP of the thread comes back to the thread - He askes a new question

---------> The OP ask the question How do I extract value from level 5 invaders?

---------> They flocked to the OP thread again - YOU NEED TO ATTACK UBERS!

---------> The OP made an excuse - I can't attack Ubers - My research isn't high enough.

---------> They you to stop what your doing - GET YOUR INVADER RESEARCH MAXED - THAN ATTACK UBERS! 

--------> The OP made another excuse - You people just don't understand - I don't have enough energy.

-------> They told you to save energy - SO YOU CAN ATTACK UBERS.

--------> THE OP THROWS HIS HANDS IN THE AIR

--------> The OP says I just don't understand why people don't want to answer my question.

--------> Player J comes to the thread to save the day! 

--------> Player J says they have answered your question a million times - The answer is always the same!

--------> ATTACK THE UBERS!

The game has designed the Ubers to carry special items.

You will never get any of those special items, unless you attack an Uber.

You can't extract anything of real value from any of the other invaders.

The game hasn't programmed the other invaders to give tons of value.

The Uber Invaders are special!

You have been playing for 1 year.

I have been playing for 3 weeks - I'm a beginner

You are the veteran player - You should be aware of all of this

You should be explaining it to me - Not the other way around.

The first research I maxed out was Invader research.

I listened to the veteran players telling me to max out the Invader Research.

It cost me 0 dollars to max out my Invader Research.

I used the Gold from my Achievements to get Speed ups

The team I am in is very coordinated - We help each other do big upgrades - We all send resources to the person.

Anyone is able to do this with out spending money.

However, Shaman Research is another beast of its own.

The First Research I finished was Invader

The Second Research I am trying to finish is Shaman.

The Shaman Research is the worst!

I had to buy the month subscription of resources.

My team was sending me billions of resources.

It was still not enough resources!

1 Upgrade = 1 Billion of each resource = 700 weeks to finish the upgrade.

Though my follow up question is still of interest to me.

After this I am pretty much done with your tedious responses.

Your rehearsal, is totally out of synchronisation with what actually happened.

In my opening post,I never meant to ask what was the best of any  invader to attack. I subsequently said I choose a bad title for it . 

The intended question was:

 What is the best invader to attack of levels 1-4.when to switch ,when you have maxed out the invader knowledge as far as L.4

The follow up question, a year later, was prompted by someone posting on this page,otherwise I would have started a new question elsewhere.

When I posted the original question, I already knew all about uber invaders. 

I didn't need  any one else then, or you now, telling me to forget about normal invaders and go for uber invaders instead.

No..

If I ask how to get the best materials from  L.5 that's the question I want answering, not someone answering 'attack ubers instead'.

ANYONE said:

Though my follow up question is still of interest to me.

After this I am pretty much done with your tedious responses.

Your rehearsal, is totally out of synchronisation with what actually happened.

In my opening post,I never meant to ask what was the best of any  invader to attack. I subsequently said I choose a bad title for it . 

The intended question was:

 What is the best invader to attack of levels 1-4.when to switch ,when you have maxed out the invader knowledge as far as L.4

The follow up question, a year later, was prompted by someone posting on this page,otherwise I would have started a new question elsewhere.

When I posted the original question, I already knew all about uber invaders. 

I didn't need  any one else then, or you now, telling me to forget about normal invaders and go for uber invaders instead.

No..

If I ask how to get the best materials from  L.5 that's the question I want answering, not someone answering 'attack ubers instead'.

Here is fruit for thought:

What you meant to ask vs. what you did ask are 2 very different things.

You created a post with a title which said "Invaders which level give the best value."

You created a comment right after which had same follow up question.

3 different people came to your thread answering your question.

Than & only than did you say you made an "Error" You say you meant to say something else.

But it is to late - The reader has already read everything else previously.

From a reader perspective, It just seems as if you are asking a new question.

And that is what my rehearsal demonstrates.

My rehearsal isn't out of sync.

You are the one not looking at the situation at face value.

You are the one not taking responsibility for what you said previously.

You can ignore it all you want, but it doesn't change the perspective from the reader.

Anyway, It doesn't matter.

I think the invaders are the easiest thing in the game to figure out.

Anyone can figure them out pretty fast.

 I said I was done, but you are still wrong.still tedious

Uber isn't a level,  its a type ,it isn't designated a level.

My OP was open to possible interpretation, but it does clearly state, and asks "which level?" and the text talks about level.

Of course  widening of the brief, and going astray of the topic,or doing as you did, and answering the question you wanted to answer , rather than answering the question that was asked,is always a possibility..

Clearly anyone answering a thread ought to read the whole thread and not just respond to the last comment therein.

Again still NO.

Several responded to the O.P. 

Then

In my 2nd post.

I didn't admit to guilt over the title, and it was meant to clarify the O.P. and not ask an additional ,or new question.

It was in my 3rd post where, still admitting no actual guilt that I suggested I might have thought out the title and post in a better manner.

Where as far as  I can see ,there were no additional questions,just additional comments.

Additionally 

When you criticised John over his comment/suggestion about not attacking Uber until invader knowledge was highly progressed,or finished,it was misplaced.

As John would be unaware of your exact circumstances, it was not directed at you personally,except in that: 

Players shouldn't tell others to do what they themselves can do, or did.

This is because the ones you offer the advice to may not have progressed in the same manner,so as often is the case a do 'X' or especially where uber are concerned, 

a blank 'kill uber' is bad advice. 

Given the following information.

Palace 20, and all available invader research finished, except opening up level 5.

Going to palace 21(to open up the rest of the research to level 10) and opening up invaders level 5, will take about the same time.

In the meantime,which level of of invader should I be attacking ?

This was the question over a year ago now.

It has only been revived for two reasons.

1.Someone posted here. 

2.The question has changed a little.

The hero  now has advanced to L 5  and completed invader knowledge to maximum available for palace 20.

So the parameters have changed to now include L.5.

The focus being the invader materials as advantageously as possible.

Thanks.