this change is worse for high BG level players ;

in the past they  make 100,98,96 level  Bgs  to yellow and pick the points in the tournament,

but from now on , they had to wait and feed whole army up to the tournament ,

this will make food consumption larger , and hard to produce new army

Juglar del Viento said:

Red said:

jumy said:

they study what we do... convenient for them if we use sapphires (not use them and have patience for rebuild troops or they are right in this "upgrade")

we complain of fortresses but how many sapphires them have gained? may they are right with their studies? YES

If they do indeed study what we do, then it is logical to assume this change, its timing, and lack of advanced notice were very intentional.  After all, if they are studying us, they would know how we were using the cycle for max benefit.  The timing of this change is indeed in the perfect place to sabotage the cycle, and then they add in a 75% revive discount.  Looks like a cash grab to me; sabotage a beneficial cycle then give a "discount" to encourage us to spend sapphires on this bg tournament.  That is, of course, assuming that they really are studying us, how we play the game, and using that data to figure out how to wring even more money out of players.  

Dont be wrong. in FB we are with the points of killing balur hordes since 24th of February. then there was no revival discount. This revival discounts is offered arround every two weeks so its in this weekend when have coincided the bg tournament with the revival discount.

we all have to change to kill balur hordes in this kind of tournament or in xp tournament. the proposal its the same.

Regards

I only see a good tactic by plarium when finished xp tournament and many people are left without troops to burn, new bgs with other system losses (also pvp) and 75% revive , all happy now (i do not understand why 75% see it as a reward.... it is just an expense for cash in)

if you say you do not study our movements is the same as not cure their profits .... it's crazy to say

anyway if they do see a profit 

the serious matter since i've been in the game is that: when you add something you have to remove another (these are not changes or additions) is a continuous admit mistakes and not knowing which way to go for a good profit/good gameplay, anyone play and try this game first? or play only for destroy other troops?

this a a reflection is too many evident

you want epic battles? and troops? buy?

Lord Oberon said:

Earn Tournament Points for Each Orc Destroyed! 

.... A word of warning: stronger minions are worth more Tournament Points than weaker ones.

Ermmmm, no they ain't, not always 

If I send Pikemen to kill Orcs then they are each worth 60 defense
If I send Pikemen to kill Orcish Raiders then they are each worth 40 defense

This means that weaker minions are worth more Tournament Points than stronger ones ... it just depends what you send, and what you find when you get there.

This explains why red battlegrounds can be such a disaster area on stormfall ... maybe you should dump these units too, like they did on the pirate game

Mehnslayer said:

thefray said:

Again lessening our rewards overall and push to sapp purchases.

I don't care about BG (I am done with them after this cycle) as there have just removed one of the ways to offset the tax they charge to do them. I care about the implementation and disregard of players who are in the middle of setting up for the old system rewards by introducing the new BG system without warning.

AT LEAST GIVE US 75% revival so we can get a few of our troops back from EXP tourney since you have ruined the cycle we are using to get rewards from BG tourney

Thefray, you have made it very clear that you have yellow barred, and I can understand in your situation WHY it would be a loss, and its an undeniable loss. However, this I think is actually an update in the long run. As for the 75% discount, there should be one in the near future :)

This is NOT an update in the long run, short run, or any other run. If you did not know about this months ago then you should have known and the entire stormfall community should have been warned.

Plarium made this change to the pirate game months ago and have obviously been planning to change stormfall for months. This is just another stealth tax.

http://forum.plarium.com/kabam/en/pirates-tides-of-fortune/news-and-announcements/topics/prize-ransack-tournament-point-calculation-mechanics/

New tournament will only give points for balur units killed on a 50:1 BR scale.

Marennon 80, Orc 20 (or 30). Raider 40, Ogre 60
Calculate the total killed then divide by 10 for Battleground Ranking figure.
Note that the value of Orcs has been changed on Red BG because Plarium cannot find any honest method of rewarding you for the actual value of all balur units killed. (The pirate game completely dumped these units and were forced to design a simplified new unit)

The total killed will give Battleground Ranking Points and 50 BR points gives one tournament point

So 10,000 balur strength killed gives 1,000 Battleground Ranking which gives only 20 tournament points - worthwhile??

Plarium have been consistently nerfing battlegrounds, payouts from battlegrounds and rewards from battleground tournaments for over a year - this is the final nail in the coffin

p.s. The next change will be to give 60 bg in eagles nest instead of 24 ... you heard it here first folks
Trust a pirate ... never trust anyone else yohoho

Did I miss where they said low level get more points?

Sorry for the rant but we seem to be in a one step forward, two steps back cycle of improvements rushed to the game with maybe less thought than needed ie fortress is the latest example that takes weeks to make adjustments that should have been caught before implementation.

I will probably get removed for straying from topic and criticizing but now we lose unit rewards during league PvP for tomes and glory points?

But we do get a quest refresher LOL

I only caught that stronger minions will be worth more.

None the less and by post above things get rushed into production but I don't see where there is forethought for the players who may be setting up for previous system, just a statement that it might be better in the future and if it follows plariums other improvements of the BG system I am starting to doubt that also. So lets fix what isn't broken approach or we already broke it with the last fix, let's see what happens now and hope for the best?

So pretty much there will be a slight difference between the XP tournament and the proposed BG idea, that is that lower lvl BGs give more XP for the troops you kill inside then higher level ones, hence for the people doing lvl 80-125 BGs they will get as many points in proportion as those doing lvl 1-20 BGs. Hence it will be difference from XP tournament and a more fair way then current XP tournament.

However you have ruined the strategy behind clearing Battlegrounds, just like some don't wish to clear a BG and still get the points, others also prefer to load up battlegrounds as they build the troops, and then clear then during an event, the second one makes a lot more sense i think, so the changes have absolutely no purpose for helping players to plan, prepare and do.

thefray said:

This is the Total Domination format, you get BG tourney points as you kill troops not when you complete the BG like they are now, so basically the BG tourney is the same as the EXP tourney format but points in BG only. So if you have stored yellow bars waiting for the next BG conquest event you are out of luck for points as the troops are already dead.

TY! Clear explanation. In original post loosing victory points were mentioned but I didn't understand on right way.

Now I understand your/our potential lost (points for awards).

I emphasized your words - that is the explicit sentence for explanation. 

How nice chitchat.

Maybe is time that someone really explain what next means

From now on, Lords and Ladies will get Tournament Points for EACH and every minion taken out at a Battleground during Battleground Conquest Tournaments! This means that no Lord or Lady shall return from a Battleground unsatisfied, even if they don't manage to conquer the Battleground before the Tournament ends.

We already have all of this, what will be changed?

we should to wait and see how it is but in the meantime 

Lord Oberon said:

Lords and Ladies, this is the last time I update the Tournament schedule. My duties are changing now. You will know more details from our news today.

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not bode well...... do not spend or  everything will be measured in your wallet

If they keep points for finishing and just add in points for killing minions also, then yes, it would be overall beneficial.  The description and the response to my query make it sound like they are taking away points for finishing bg and making bg tournaments give points exclusively for kills.  

One of the biggest fun killing problems players have identified in the game is how long it takes to produce troops.  This issue has been brought up on the forum multiple times and Lord Oberon's response was that Plarium has no intent to make troop production faster, give us more free revives, or in any other non $ way let us get troops faster.  Changes like this that seem to take away rewards we were getting and ruin a cycle that players were using to get maximum payout for killing their troops in bgs seem designed to make the game more $ intensive and tends to drive players away.  

As we have not yet gotten one of the bg tournaments under the new rules, it is not possible to tell how the rewards will compare; whether we will on average get better rewards than we did before, worse rewards, or roughly the same.  Once we see how rewards compare, it may prove to be beneficial or it may be an overall nerf to our rewards.  We'll see when a bg tournament comes.

Red said:

Drogar61 said:

There is no loss!

Every player planned to finish previous jobs without any extra rewards. At worst scenario he will do at same condition, with or without extra points. When new rules will come everyone will be able to make new plans.

There is significant loss.  If you don't buy troops or revive troops, they take a good while to produce.  The previous strategy had been to use xp tournament to get bgs to yellow and get rewards, then finish bgs for bg tournament, get rewards, and get the payoff from the bg bank.  

This change destroys that beneficial cycle.  If we get bg to yellow for xp, we lose out on points for bg tournament.  That is why I asked if we still get reward for finishing bg during bg tournament.  If we don't, then they've essentially made the bg tournament into a more limited version of the xp tournament, effectively nerfing our rewards and trying to sell it as a positive change.

I was talking about prepared BGs, nothing else. If everyone finish them today and wait for ... anything, today it will not get any extra point. So when change will be implemented everyone should to finish there prepared BGs (as NynaEve asked for waiting) and start new circle.