Red said:

A welcome change, but it also undermines the strategy some have been using in the past.  Will there still be a bonus for completing the bgs, or will it all be based on what is killed now?

You pipped me to the post, I was going to ask the very same thing.

So essentially the question is are you introducing a useful bonus, in which you get the choice of whether to claim tournament points for killing of units in either the exhibition tournament or the battleground tournament and you still claim the completion reward in the battleground tournament

or

I was thinking the same, I have over 20 BG yellow barred up into the 100 lvl building up over time to finish in the BG tourney and Plarium makes a change with NO WARNING!!!!!!!!!

Now instead of getting maximum points on next tourney I will get almost none.

You should give us a 2 to 4 week warning so we can complete a cycle and ready for new format instead of cutting us off at the knees!!!!!

Why wouldn't you tell us of such a major change so we can adapt instead of lose as with most updates.

I figure I will lose 200 plus eldrich necromancers due to this, not cool Plarium

Here is a schedule so you can ready for tourney's, you left out we may change the format midstream,

thefray said:

I was thinking the same, I have over 20 BG yellow barred up into the 100 lvl building up over time to finish in the BG tourney and Plarium makes a change with NO WARNING!!!!!!!!!

Now instead of getting maximum points on next tourney I will get almost none.

You should give us a 2 to 4 week warning so we can complete a cycle and ready for new format instead of cutting us off at the knees!!!!!

Why wouldn't you tell us of such a major change so we can adapt instead of lose as with most updates.

I figure I will lose 200 plus eldrich necromancers due to this, not cool Plarium

Complete your BG, smash the YL ones you got, take your reward units and hit a new spawning BG... PROFIT?

Mehnslayer said:

I will make a note of this and see what I am told. 

As for the first 2 comments, I believe the points are distributed entirely among the units killed and not the completion of the battleground itself

if so is same to XP tournament

There is no loss!

Mehnslayer said:

Seems like a profit to me, I'm surely not the only person that likes to stop on certain points for certain tournaments, this means I can finish without being hundreds + of points over the threshold. 

It seems more like a loss to me. 

Previously - we could load troops during the experience exhibitions and gain points for killing units there.

We could then complete the battlegrounds during bg tournaments and gain points there.

How can it not be a loss, you have spent time and energy getting almost all your BG to yellow and then they change the rules, now when I kill them I get points only for troops killed (which there are a fraction of in there now) before I would get points just for actually conquering which is how mine are setup planning for next tourney.

Definitely a loss to those who used the 'load at exp tourney finish at bg tourney' strategy. During exp tourney those people have sacrificed a lot of units at bg hoping they can get the rewards on exp tourney and bg tourney. I guess this is how plarium deal with that strategy, oh well. 

If plarium decided to make exp tourney with multiplier as anotherchange, I'm good with that lol

Drogar61 said:

There is no loss!

Every player planned to finish previous jobs without any extra rewards. At worst scenario he will do at same condition, with or without extra points. When new rules will come everyone will be able to make new plans.

There is significant loss.  If you don't buy troops or revive troops, they take a good while to produce.  The previous strategy had been to use xp tournament to get bgs to yellow and get rewards, then finish bgs for bg tournament, get rewards, and get the payoff from the bg bank.  

Again lessening our rewards overall and push to sapp purchases.

I don't care about BG (I am done with them after this cycle) as there have just removed one of the ways to offset the tax they charge to do them. I care about the implementation and disregard of players who are in the middle of setting up for the old system rewards by introducing the new BG system without warning.

Red said:

Drogar61 said:

There is no loss!

Every player planned to finish previous jobs without any extra rewards. At worst scenario he will do at same condition, with or without extra points. When new rules will come everyone will be able to make new plans.

There is significant loss.  If you don't buy troops or revive troops, they take a good while to produce.  The previous strategy had been to use xp tournament to get bgs to yellow and get rewards, then finish bgs for bg tournament, get rewards, and get the payoff from the bg bank.  

This change destroys that beneficial cycle.  If we get bg to yellow for xp, we lose out on points for bg tournament.  That is why I asked if we still get reward for finishing bg during bg tournament.  If we don't, then they've essentially made the bg tournament into a more limited version of the xp tournament, effectively nerfing our rewards and trying to sell it as a positive change.

I was talking about prepared BGs, nothing else. If everyone finish them today and wait for ... anything, today it will not get any extra point. So when change will be implemented everyone should to finish there prepared BGs (as NynaEve asked for waiting) and start new circle.

If they keep points for finishing and just add in points for killing minions also, then yes, it would be overall beneficial.  The description and the response to my query make it sound like they are taking away points for finishing bg and making bg tournaments give points exclusively for kills.  

One of the biggest fun killing problems players have identified in the game is how long it takes to produce troops.  This issue has been brought up on the forum multiple times and Lord Oberon's response was that Plarium has no intent to make troop production faster, give us more free revives, or in any other non $ way let us get troops faster.  Changes like this that seem to take away rewards we were getting and ruin a cycle that players were using to get maximum payout for killing their troops in bgs seem designed to make the game more $ intensive and tends to drive players away.  

As we have not yet gotten one of the bg tournaments under the new rules, it is not possible to tell how the rewards will compare; whether we will on average get better rewards than we did before, worse rewards, or roughly the same.  Once we see how rewards compare, it may prove to be beneficial or it may be an overall nerf to our rewards.  We'll see when a bg tournament comes.

we should to wait and see how it is but in the meantime 

Lord Oberon said:

Lords and Ladies, this is the last time I update the Tournament schedule. My duties are changing now. You will know more details from our news today.

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not bode well...... do not spend or  everything will be measured in your wallet

How nice chitchat.

Maybe is time that someone really explain what next means

From now on, Lords and Ladies will get Tournament Points for EACH and every minion taken out at a Battleground during Battleground Conquest Tournaments! This means that no Lord or Lady shall return from a Battleground unsatisfied, even if they don't manage to conquer the Battleground before the Tournament ends.

We already have all of this, what will be changed?

thefray said:

This is the Total Domination format, you get BG tourney points as you kill troops not when you complete the BG like they are now, so basically the BG tourney is the same as the EXP tourney format but points in BG only. So if you have stored yellow bars waiting for the next BG conquest event you are out of luck for points as the troops are already dead.

TY! Clear explanation. In original post loosing victory points were mentioned but I didn't understand on right way.

Now I understand your/our potential lost (points for awards).

I emphasized your words - that is the explicit sentence for explanation.