Red said:

A welcome change, but it also undermines the strategy some have been using in the past.  Will there still be a bonus for completing the bgs, or will it all be based on what is killed now?

You pipped me to the post, I was going to ask the very same thing.

So essentially the question is are you introducing a useful bonus, in which you get the choice of whether to claim tournament points for killing of units in either the exhibition tournament or the battleground tournament and you still claim the completion reward in the battleground tournament

or

I was thinking the same, I have over 20 BG yellow barred up into the 100 lvl building up over time to finish in the BG tourney and Plarium makes a change with NO WARNING!!!!!!!!!

Now instead of getting maximum points on next tourney I will get almost none.

You should give us a 2 to 4 week warning so we can complete a cycle and ready for new format instead of cutting us off at the knees!!!!!

Why wouldn't you tell us of such a major change so we can adapt instead of lose as with most updates.

I figure I will lose 200 plus eldrich necromancers due to this, not cool Plarium

Here is a schedule so you can ready for tourney's, you left out we may change the format midstream,

thefray said:

I was thinking the same, I have over 20 BG yellow barred up into the 100 lvl building up over time to finish in the BG tourney and Plarium makes a change with NO WARNING!!!!!!!!!

Now instead of getting maximum points on next tourney I will get almost none.

You should give us a 2 to 4 week warning so we can complete a cycle and ready for new format instead of cutting us off at the knees!!!!!

Why wouldn't you tell us of such a major change so we can adapt instead of lose as with most updates.

I figure I will lose 200 plus eldrich necromancers due to this, not cool Plarium

Complete your BG, smash the YL ones you got, take your reward units and hit a new spawning BG... PROFIT?

Mehnslayer said:

Seems like a profit to me, I'm surely not the only person that likes to stop on certain points for certain tournaments, this means I can finish without being hundreds + of points over the threshold. 

It seems more like a loss to me. 

Previously - we could load troops during the experience exhibitions and gain points for killing units there.

We could then complete the battlegrounds during bg tournaments and gain points there.

How can it not be a loss, you have spent time and energy getting almost all your BG to yellow and then they change the rules, now when I kill them I get points only for troops killed (which there are a fraction of in there now) before I would get points just for actually conquering which is how mine are setup planning for next tourney.

Definitely a loss to those who used the 'load at exp tourney finish at bg tourney' strategy. During exp tourney those people have sacrificed a lot of units at bg hoping they can get the rewards on exp tourney and bg tourney. I guess this is how plarium deal with that strategy, oh well. 

If plarium decided to make exp tourney with multiplier as anotherchange, I'm good with that lol

Drogar61 said:

There is no loss!

Every player planned to finish previous jobs without any extra rewards. At worst scenario he will do at same condition, with or without extra points. When new rules will come everyone will be able to make new plans.

There is significant loss.  If you don't buy troops or revive troops, they take a good while to produce.  The previous strategy had been to use xp tournament to get bgs to yellow and get rewards, then finish bgs for bg tournament, get rewards, and get the payoff from the bg bank.  

If they keep points for finishing and just add in points for killing minions also, then yes, it would be overall beneficial.  The description and the response to my query make it sound like they are taking away points for finishing bg and making bg tournaments give points exclusively for kills.  

One of the biggest fun killing problems players have identified in the game is how long it takes to produce troops.  This issue has been brought up on the forum multiple times and Lord Oberon's response was that Plarium has no intent to make troop production faster, give us more free revives, or in any other non $ way let us get troops faster.  Changes like this that seem to take away rewards we were getting and ruin a cycle that players were using to get maximum payout for killing their troops in bgs seem designed to make the game more $ intensive and tends to drive players away.  

As we have not yet gotten one of the bg tournaments under the new rules, it is not possible to tell how the rewards will compare; whether we will on average get better rewards than we did before, worse rewards, or roughly the same.  Once we see how rewards compare, it may prove to be beneficial or it may be an overall nerf to our rewards.  We'll see when a bg tournament comes.

I only caught that stronger minions will be worth more.

None the less and by post above things get rushed into production but I don't see where there is forethought for the players who may be setting up for previous system, just a statement that it might be better in the future and if it follows plariums other improvements of the BG system I am starting to doubt that also. So lets fix what isn't broken approach or we already broke it with the last fix, let's see what happens now and hope for the best?

Sorry for the rant but we seem to be in a one step forward, two steps back cycle of improvements rushed to the game with maybe less thought than needed ie fortress is the latest example that takes weeks to make adjustments that should have been caught before implementation.

I will probably get removed for straying from topic and criticizing but now we lose unit rewards during league PvP for tomes and glory points?

But we do get a quest refresher LOL

Did I miss where they said low level get more points?

jumy said:

they study what we do... convenient for them if we use sapphires (not use them and have patience for rebuild troops or they are right in this "upgrade")

we complain of fortresses but how many sapphires them have gained? may they are right with their studies? YES

If they do indeed study what we do, then it is logical to assume this change, its timing, and lack of advanced notice were very intentional.  After all, if they are studying us, they would know how we were using the cycle for max benefit.  The timing of this change is indeed in the perfect place to sabotage the cycle, and then they add in a 75% revive discount.  Looks like a cash grab to me; sabotage a beneficial cycle then give a "discount" to encourage us to spend sapphires on this bg tournament.  That is, of course, assuming that they really are studying us, how we play the game, and using that data to figure out how to wring even more money out of players.  

Red said:

jumy said:

they study what we do... convenient for them if we use sapphires (not use them and have patience for rebuild troops or they are right in this "upgrade")

we complain of fortresses but how many sapphires them have gained? may they are right with their studies? YES

If they do indeed study what we do, then it is logical to assume this change, its timing, and lack of advanced notice were very intentional.  After all, if they are studying us, they would know how we were using the cycle for max benefit.  The timing of this change is indeed in the perfect place to sabotage the cycle, and then they add in a 75% revive discount.  Looks like a cash grab to me; sabotage a beneficial cycle then give a "discount" to encourage us to spend sapphires on this bg tournament.  That is, of course, assuming that they really are studying us, how we play the game, and using that data to figure out how to wring even more money out of players.  

Dont be wrong. in FB we are with the points of killing balur hordes since 24th of February. then there was no revival discount. This revival discounts is offered arround every two weeks so its in this weekend when have coincided the bg tournament with the revival discount.

we all have to change to kill balur hordes in this kind of tournament or in xp tournament. the proposal its the same.

Lower level players do not gain any benefit from the new bg reward system.  After collecting my troop rewards from the yellowed ones that I had prepared I am pretty much done with them.  There is no point i can build what needs to be built without sacrificing an "investment" of troops for meager rewards.  

Thank you plarium, I had not touched bg's for a very long time because my troops were being put to use for the league I was previously in.  I finally got to a point where I could play bg again and enjoy the rewards and you have just taken that enjoyment away.

Don't worry we will find the next best way to run battleground events to make as good back as possible, Plarium better find their next update to NERF them, because we will remain one step ahead of you =P

Don't worry we will find the next best way to run battleground events to make as good back as possible, Plarium better find their next update to NERF them, because we will remain one step ahead of you =P