I also have a question to you. According with your post, there is a fee for each payout from BG. According with "oficial plarium statement" there is none. (btw another contradiction in your post) . So my question: is it or is it not a fee on BG payout ?  

I will apreciate a straight answer, and if you dont know , pls say you dont know.

I have explained that. You are confused, and not the only one who is.

 But don't worry I am working on BG tutorial and will purplish it soon. I have contacted players in the top, and many have been helpful. By next week I would have finished with these tutorial.

Unlike other tutorial it will tell you how to play BG step By step, not lie to you in the ''sake of competitive advantage''. I will post it next week. I haven't talked to many Lords in the Darkplains, including the KoK( I probably won't bother them) but nonetheless splendid and decorated Lords have contributed to these thread. 

Well, could be me who is confused, but read my question again and read my nicely request for a stright answer. You dont give me an answer, you just posted another explanation for your previous posts, from where i dont try to substract an answer, because i use my own way to do BG, and as i say , the "oficial plarium statement" say it isn't any fee on those payouts....

So can you give a stright answer to my question, with yes or no, regardless of how you call it:fee, tax, repay,or whatever ?

OCTAVIAN said:

So can you give a stright answer to my question, with yes or no, regardless of how you call it:fee, tax, repay,or whatever ?

Also, another question: can you tell us what'm mean " Official Plarim statement" ? Who did that statement? 

I have already answered that question. But here is a clue

We don’t share the exact algorithm for the feature

The payout frequency is a little higher for the [prize] that pop up directly on the left side of your screen, but those require hitting consecutively higher [prizes] each time. Sometimes you can also “spin” and hit a superbonus, which will trigger a payout worth more than your total investment, but those don’t pop up much.

still trying to find out too.  But I found it here
https://plarium.com/forum/en/pirates-tides-of-fortune/game-discussion/1093_banking-in-prize-missions-/?post=10297

Oracle said:

OCTAVIAN said:

So can you give a stright answer to my question, with yes or no, regardless of how you call it:fee, tax, repay,or whatever ?

Also, another question: can you tell us what'm mean " Official Plarim statement" ? Who did that statement? 

I have already answered that question. But here is a clue

We don’t share the exact algorithm for the feature

The payout frequency is a little higher for the [prize] that pop up directly on the left side of your screen, but those require hitting consecutively higher [prizes] each time. Sometimes you can also “spin” and hit a superbonus, which will trigger a payout worth more than your total investment, but those don’t pop up much.

still trying to find out too.  But I found it here
https://plarium.com/forum/en/pirates-tides-of-fortune/game-discussion/1093_banking-in-prize-missions-/?post=10297

Sory, but what you caled a clue is not a clue: higher payout frequency means you can get a payout more often , or if you want i can google for exactly definition. And yes, i already had that kinfd of superbonus that worth more than my total investement. But still they dont sayd nothing about a fee, witch you leave it to understand it is, on the contrary, they sayd ,  and i quote " every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. ". 

So if you can't provide a correct and verified information, please refrain to do alegation on the subject. I am sure that most of the players search for help in forums thread , not for your personal opinion.

Oracle said:

Octavian said

As moderator you should provide information that should help players in they game, not to make contradictory comments that will confuse those who read your posts. I marked few of your words to explain what i say:

      "not banking all the bank needs before completing a BG, All resources have to be put in, plus up to 25% bank." that contradicts your post that you say is official plarium statement : " every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. "

The 25 % comes from the percentage of extra resources you have to put back into the back from your previous bank pay out.  . So lets say I have earned a pay of 5 graffin, here these website calculate my pay back.

As you can see these website calculate the extra pay back percentage as 5 %, some  as 10% some as 15%. But I get better result when using 25%.  

    " all in method above level 50 defending and offending with wrong unit types " that also contradicts the "oficial plarium statement" quoted above....

And all in method, is when a player use all his troops to do BG. These is a bad idea especially above level 50 because it will be difficult to calculate your back, and the losses are tremendous above  level 50.

 I personally have a BG squad, and use it to do BG below level 50. My BG is about 25% occult+ beast and 75% infantry and cavalry. Because my Bg are lower than level 55( I am planning to take them to 65, and achieve the final tier. I take a screenshot of my squad, and do the all in method for all O BG requiring cavalry and infantry. After each BG I toss my gains back into the catamp and continue untill I hit a level 49.When I am done I go to screenshot and subtract how many units I have lost from my BG squad. These will be what I have banked. I then go to my excell unit counter and substract my ''gains'' or reward( those units I gained from BG and sent to the catamp. These will be what I owe back so far. Then I go to the dreaded log and just expand it. adding a day.

 Gain resources pain resources, calculate owe +25% 

sorry about the foreign language, in the screenshot.

Excel has customize-able gaming theme spreadsheet, which is easy to manipulate into your gamings needs. You can include pages, and sub pages. For example stormfall I have league stuff( sub pages intel,units counter ect) BG(sub pages spreadsheet, jackpot tracking dates ect) ect units ect Eve ( Quit) Warcraft( Jobs(ect), LoL, ect  

Somewhere in a thred, a player told you to refrain from posting, because give him headache...i have to say i experience same sensation...

I also have a question to you. According with your post, there is a fee for each payout from BG. According with "oficial plarium statement" there is none. (btw another contradiction in your post) . So my question: is it or is it not a fee on BG payout ?  

I will apreciate a straight answer, and if you dont know , pls say you dont know.

I have explained that. You are confused, and not the only one who is.

 But don't worry I am working on BG tutorial and will purplish it soon. I have contacted players in the top, and many have been helpful. By next week I would have finished with these tutorial.

Unlike other tutorial it will tell you how to play BG step By step, not lie to you in the ''sake of competitive advantage''. I will post it next week. I haven't talked to many Lords in the Darkplains, including the KoK( I probably won't bother them) but nonetheless splendid and decorated Lords have contributed to these thread. 

I wish you good luck on the guide and cant wait to see it!

need any help feel free 2 pm me or if want to know how I do BG's

djmoody said:

Oracle said:

You're are very sensitive. I haven't slandered you, Nor am I actively attacking you. I don't want to become your enemy. I wish we could have better understanding with each other. I don't know how is stating your actions which are publicly known is slander. 

How can it be hard to understand. 

You made up a statement about me that isn't true. Not only isn't it true it's THE ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE of the truth. 

And you did it because I asked you to back up a statement you made. A statement I knew wasn't true and deserved to be called out (btw Jumy has PM'ed me to say he never said what you claimed). So you decided to get personal and spread lies about me, rather than address the points made. 

I don't come here to be trolled. I certainly don't come here to be trolled by a moderator.

These are the other threads where you did EXACTLY the same. Made up stuff up about me to try and discredit me and hurt my reputation, rather than just discussing the issue. It's just not right. Shouldn't have to put up with it over and over again

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/leagues/34054_balur-s-shield/

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/archive/36640_bg--bare-assertion-fallacy/

can you guys call a truce or get a room... 

as for the threads that I seen you in about BG's you claim to know a "miracle" way to get free troops but with no evidence/explanation so your even worse than Oracle in some ways.

lets all get along and try to be nice to one another

as my friend vash once said "Love&Peace"

can you guys call a truce or get a room... 

as for the threads that I seen you in about BG's you claim to know a "miracle" way to get free troops but with no evidence/explanation so your even worse than Oracle in some ways.

lets all get along and try to be nice to one another

as my friend vash once said "Love&Peace"

:P

OCTAVIAN said:

So you quoted a "quoted" declaration, posted by a player in forum, and say , and now i quote you, "Official statement from Plarium ".

Is that , coming form a moderator , a trustworthy information, that will make all players to think is realy Plarium who did it ? 

I think a CM should take some mesures in this matter!

These is where it came from
https://plarium.com/en/ask-a-developer/plarium-game-algo/

djmoody said:

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/leagues/34054_balur-s-shield/

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/archive/36640_bg--bare-assertion-fallacy/

THAT WAS A EONS AGO!!!

I will not retract any statement from there. Especially on balur-s-shield. I am sorry you're still holding decayed grudges. But I am not sorry for my actions then. Because you are not sorry for your actions here too. 

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/archive/34039_-stormfall-declassed-article-1/

''Data is wrong''

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/archive/29107_coining/2/

Or here where you called me out, just for fun.  Misqouted me and had the community viciously attack me for saying Emperors have Paypal account. 

Any further off topics post will be deleted. Stay on topic. You can send me a PM if you wish to discuss these issue further. Lets stay on BG path. 

Oracle said:

OCTAVIAN said:

So you quoted a "quoted" declaration, posted by a player in forum, and say , and now i quote you, "Official statement from Plarium ".

Is that , coming form a moderator , a trustworthy information, that will make all players to think is realy Plarium who did it ? 

I think a CM should take some mesures in this matter!

These is where it came from
https://plarium.com/en/ask-a-developer/plarium-game-algo/

Thanks for cleared this. 

I realy start to ask myself if you , moderators, try to help players or try hard to confuse players.What is your job? Realy? 

Why i say that? Hmm..let see...You quoted as official plarium statement  the answer to a question from 2 years ago.Tell me pls how many times has changed BG in last 2 years? 

Also i asked detail abouit that statement, and your fellow moderator , Biohazard, who asked that question to a dev say what? Oh , right, he didnt say nothing...lol

Thanks for your help and support my dear friends moderators! 

OCTAVIAN said:

Thanks for cleared this. 

I realy start to ask myself if you , moderators, try to help players or try hard to confuse players.What is your job? Realy? 

Why i say that? Hmm..let see...You quoted as official plarium statement  the answer to a question from 2 years ago.Tell me pls how many times has changed BG in last 2 years? 

Also i asked detail abouit that statement, and your fellow moderator , Biohazard, who asked that question to a dev say what? Oh , right, he didnt say nothing...lol

Thanks for your help and support my dear friends moderators! 

I think the best for me is to stop reading your (moderators)post.Will be much better if i dont do it, i am sure.

I am gald I helped. I am sorry I couldn't help sooner. 

OCTAVIAN said:

Oracle said:

OCTAVIAN said:

So you quoted a "quoted" declaration, posted by a player in forum, and say , and now i quote you, "Official statement from Plarium ".

Is that , coming form a moderator , a trustworthy information, that will make all players to think is realy Plarium who did it ? 

I think a CM should take some mesures in this matter!

These is where it came from
https://plarium.com/en/ask-a-developer/plarium-game-algo/

Thanks for cleared this. 

I realy start to ask myself if you , moderators, try to help players or try hard to confuse players.What is your job? Realy? 

Why i say that? Hmm..let see...You quoted as official plarium statement  the answer to a question from 2 years ago.Tell me pls how many times has changed BG in last 2 years? 

Also i asked detail abouit that statement, and your fellow moderator , Biohazard, who asked that question to a dev say what? Oh , right, he didnt say nothing...lol

Thanks for your help and support my dear friends moderators! 

I think the best for me is to stop reading your (moderators)post.Will be much better if i dont do it, i am sure.

Sorry did you ask me a question somewhere?  I try to read all the threads but sometimes I miss stuff.  If you have a question, feel free to pm me and I'll try to answer it. 

I agree, I think this is like the Oracle in the movie matrix, never really gives an answer just confusion.

nobody said:

so, in the developer response that oracle shows, the developer is saying 2 years ago, the same things i am saying now.  the developer stated that changes would be soon that would make players happier.

they stated that it was gambling "consider it to be blackjack".  that there was a spin that decided if there is a payout.  a 50/50 generator can eventually somewhere in time create streaks of 100 or more- fail/success-yes/no.

when i have gained the "superbonus" jackpot, one of 3 things have happened;

1.  my scheduled payout pays at bgs 10-14 instead of 4-8.  this is what usually happens.

2.  i get 3 payouts in 6 bgs.  this has happened twice.

3.  after 20-25 bgs in a 5 lvl grouping, i cannot get a payout.  then i drop  5 lvls and get nothing, drop a couple more and get nothing.  drop down the next pay grade and get the payout.   this has happened 3 times, but i do not get the 3 payouts in 6 bgs.  i lose my resources, regardless of what levels i do next.

so the jackpot leads me to losses.  vakonzinko states that he has turned 1m defense into 20m defense, through the jackpot system.  this would take extreme positive streaks in the mathematical order of randomness for this to happen.  unless he knew the trigger.  especially at his guestament of 30% superbonus.

here is something i don't understand from what i have read in posts.  the developer stated that the more you lose, the bigger the eventual payout.  but is there a limit on a bgs' payout.  if a level will not pay more than x plus the superbonus then clearing 20 to 25 bgs of the same level will never gain a profit.

the only way to get a profit would be to only hit the highest non rune level and never drop below it.  this is only if the resources do continue to accumulate and the payout limit is infinite, plus you have to hit on your spin the superbonus.   vakonzinko  is this what you did?

the developer gave this advice "quit when you are ahead".  if you take this literally, it means if you get a superbonus, "quit"

whether you are ahead or behind, my tutorial remains the same.  DON'T.  or in the developer's word's, "quit"

the developer 2 years ago stated the {mechanics} of bgs.  i beleive they are basically the same now.

the developer stated positive changes will happen soon.   i beleive they are basically the same now.

when players used yellow lines tactically, plarium said,  this is cheating and quickly changed it.

https://pasteboard.co/hoSpAz2OW.png 30% gain from what I had last time. I didnt pay the fees. Super bonus you can call it. 

I will tell you the secret. There is a super bonus/jack pot or how you call it. Without paying fees - 15, 25%, just killing and taking back your reward again and again you can trigger it and hit a jackpot, winning like 30% more than you have put in bgs. That means you can gain from bgs, not lose. It happens rarely, but thats how I raised my 500k off to 20m in a month just doing bgs and building pathfinders. :)

Same mechanics in sparta. I mean, no mechanics. BGS is a lottery or you can call it a trade market. You can trade your shit for better tier units with a small chance of triggering that trade. On 60 level account in sparta I went from 50 to 140 lvl in persian positions. Same in stormfall, from 60 to 130 lvl bgs and only 75 lvl in game. Just huge gains, 1m def to 20m def in a week and so on. Gamble, gamble, gamble all your army, trigger it, raise it. 

All that maths, sheets, etc., its just all pointless. Bgs "experts" its all just a myth. You guys do it with expectations, "I expect to get a reward when I put enough resources", and sometimes balur spits in your face. Its not because its working not as intended, its because you think you know how it works, but in the end you know nothing, you just have your own theory about it. So with your theory, you can't come and tell plarium there's a bug, its not working etc., because plarium never told you and will never tell how exactly bgs work. Game will lose its curiosity if they told us all the secrets, you can't call it a game then. Have fun, and remember, you will regain your army sooner or later in bgs or might trigger it, just patience. If you wanna do it quick, just keep killing low bgs or finishing off yellowed bgs, you will gather enough units or all your units to try again.

Oracle said:

OCTAVIAN said:

Also, another question: can you tell us what'm mean " Official Plarim statement" ? Who did that statement? 

still trying to find out too.  But I found it here
https://plarium.com/forum/en/pirates-tides-of-fortune/game-discussion/1093_banking-in-prize-missions-/?post=10297

So you quoted a "quoted" declaration, posted by a player in forum, and say , and now i quote you, "Official statement from Plarium ".

Is that , coming form a moderator , a trustworthy information, that will make all players to think is realy Plarium who did it ? 

I think a CM should take some mesures in this matter!

roadstar Pitbull said: 

Quote #1...The bank can be messed, infinately, when BG are not played correctly. 

Quote#2....The mystery is, which way is the correct way, and which way is not.

Quote#3....I can come to conclusion that, those complaining are playing them wrong. But these is hypothetical too.

Quote#4....You hoard ways of playing BG, citing ''competitive advantage'' 

Somehow you managed to completely contradict yourself with #'s 1,2,3, so why bother post such nonsense??? Oh right, your the all knowing....

As to #4, many players have certain was of playing differently, that they feel is advantageous. Here you just sound like a crying child wanting to know what the other kids know.

And, I do not recall DJM asking for your help...

Can you read the whole thread, and develop a theme as to how the conversation is going before you respond. Those qoutes are expansion of the consersation that where had before. You would have made a better post of instead our asked how

For expample if you read you would have seen the converation around Qoute 1 as follows

''The bank could be messed up(something DJ said its not possible, and I explained it is, a bank can become negative, read Lord Nobody post, when he explain how ''jackpot system'' can lead to these. ''

Please be constructive, logical in your post and stop trolling me, or actively flaming me, it won't and can't work. 

DraK said:

BGs have some serious issues. added a lot more than just interest and guess what, got out empty handed. same thing happens to league mate today. And i might say im no expert on BGs but i do very good math, and mate is expert on BGs and got the same result as i did. Bgs have issue. and there should be clear and visible pot in eagles nest so people can actually see whats going on insted of having spreadsheets with calculators installed. So if Plarium has enough resources to develop more and more things for the game its unbelievable that they don't have resources to build a small ( big ) help for players that enjoy doing BGs. So please Plarium do a miracle and create some kind of tool for players that spend money and time on this nice game. 

As it goes for proofs and so on, well you lads have all data needed to check some of accounts that are reporting big loses. Sit down, take your precious 10-15min and run the numbers. Don't just leave message you did something wrong, BGs are working perfectly.

That is a good suggestion. Why don't you expand your suggestion and put it into the suggestion thread. Plarium is always willing to help its players as much as it can and will consider every suggestion players have. or support some from players. 

Plarium is also willing to provide resources to support production of tools that will help its players outside the game. So if you have an idea, Contact plarium and put it into the suggestion thread.

BGs have some serious issues. added a lot more than just interest and guess what, got out empty handed. same thing happens to league mate today. And i might say im no expert on BGs but i do very good math, and mate is expert on BGs and got the same result as i did. Bgs have issue. and there should be clear and visible pot in eagles nest so people can actually see whats going on insted of having spreadsheets with calculators installed. So if Plarium has enough resources to develop more and more things for the game its unbelievable that they don't have resources to build a small ( big ) help for players that enjoy doing BGs. So please Plarium do a miracle and create some kind of tool for players that spend money and time on this nice game. 

Oracle said:

djmoody said:

Jumy has proved, using one of the logs, that the player was not playing BG correctly, and proofed beyond doubts that BG are not bugged. Which part of my post give you a headache. As an act of kind gusture I will remove the part that is giving you a headache.

Sorry got to call that utter BS.

Please provide this proof so it can be shown to be completely wrong.

As a side note opener, you know you can't really play BG's "incorrectly" right. There aren't ways of doing them "wrong" that lead to definite losses.

If you take the ''tax hypothesis'' and ''spilt reward'' mechanism into consideration, you might see that there are ways of playing BG wrong. The bank can be messed, infinately, when BG are not played correctly. 

The mystery is, which way is the correct way, and which way is not. By the look of complaints, I can come to conclusion that, those complaining are playing them wrong. But these is hypothetical too. Especially because you refuse to tell how you play BG, there is no way of telling which way is wrong( as any other mechanics has been squandered. 

You hoard ways of playing BG, citing ''competitive advantage'' and further more, you refuse to reproduce events that leads to a ''so called bug''. So as it is the is no way you can get help. 

The way I see it, if Plarium was to see you interacting with BG mechanics, and then encountering the ''bug'', maybe they will help. If you tell the community how you interact with BG mechanics, maybe someone will notice something ''off'', and help yo solve your ''bug''. 

what are the odds that the average internet player will play "incorrectly", a mystery in which no one can agree what is correct and what is incorrect?

even the elite must be playing incorrectly, and they have no idea what this "incorrect" situation is, for afterward, they continue to play according to what they believe to be correct.  and for a period of time they get what they consider to be the correct scheduled payout.  this they do with no change in tactics.  then they run into the situation again.  this they do without changing tactics.

how are your tactics correct, and then without changing them incorrect, and then without changing them, correct again?  it is plariums manipulations, many triggered by their "overpayment" in their jackpot system.  like you said the bank is messed infinitely.  you must drop at least one pay grade to get a "payout"  but then you will never recover what you lost.

for a normal, casual player, all the mystery and manipulation makes it to where the only way you can play the game is incorrectly.  {against natural logic and reason.}  this in most every part of a plarium games.

my tutorial remains the same

DON'T

edit: reproducing the bug is a hard thing to do since;  1.  it is triggered by a random generated jackpot.  2.  it takes alot of resources "real life money"  for the higher levels who know what they are doing.

whether it is a bug or intended, there are times when a player absolutely cannot get a "payout" on levels that should be filled.  a player may go 2 years without this happening to them and thinking that the players that it has happened to are just lousy players.  then it happens to them, and they are like omg did bgs get changed.

whether bgs is constantly changed which plarium denies, or if it something at least 1 1/2 years old that can happen or not happen to anyone, idk.

i doubt that it is random, but it appears random, there must be a trigger.  and getting a jackpot, higher than usual, even tho designed that way will cause there to be hell to pay.  this hell is not worth the xtra jackpot, imo.

players like lordmark have complained about not getting their scheduled payout happening to them, then they throw more troops at it than i make in a month, eventually they get a payout and thank plarium for it.  this confuses.  did lordmark get back paid in full, or is he happy to get partial payment back.  others have lost 100m resources that they are likely never to recover.

when a player begins bgs, they are superman, gaining more troops back then they lose, then a switch gets flipped around  lvl 6,7 or 24 hrs and you get the 25% losses back and the jackpot system starts.  there are switches in this game.

i ran into the situation twice 1 1/2 years ago and again when i started doing bgs again for a month, how players go 2 years without running into it, i do not know.

under normal function, bgs is a resource sink, at least for non-elite players, and then you can run into the situation, whatever it is, a bug or programmed design.

this is my tutorial on playing bgs.

DON"T