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Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:

 is starting to feel like a dictatorship, time to rise up people

You're allowed to discuss bgs, but there have already been many threads about bg payouts not working.  We try to close duplicate threads and funnel the discussion into a single thread, to make it easier for devs to follow if they ever decide to. 

You hit the nail on the head "if they ever decide to"

If actual devs did talk to us, communicated.... there would been something like "accountability". Community managers acting like messengers is... sad state of affairs tbh.

Safe to say there is no Chris Roberts look alikes at Plarium. Maybe they should contact him to get a few lessons in community building -)

It is similar to calling the customer care when you have a problem with the PC.. you dont call the Microsoft Windows or the Technical team to get their attention..

BiohazarD said:

 is starting to feel like a dictatorship, time to rise up people

You're allowed to discuss bgs, but there have already been many threads about bg payouts not working.  We try to close duplicate threads and funnel the discussion into a single thread, to make it easier for devs to follow if they ever decide to. 

You hit the nail on the head "if they ever decide to"

If actual devs did talk to us, communicated.... there would been something like "accountability". Community managers acting like messengers is... sad state of affairs tbh.

Safe to say there is no Chris Roberts look alikes at Plarium. Maybe they should contact him to get a few lessons in community building -)

Snowgoon said:

thefray said:

All I know is I track my BG and there is no rhyme or reason to the BG, the mythical box rewards seem to have disappeared about the same time as the banking problem appeared. Low level BG are not an issue as you do not need to load 300 million resources to get a "in sync" reward but you have gone too far with the randomness.

Remember the Yellow Bar Thread?

Many players were accused of cheating, and alonya said 'They are being dealt with'.

My bet is that their banks were nerfed ... and many other innocent players also saw their bank nerfed too

Why else would hundreds of players now have impossible levels of negative banking ... and support refuses to talk to them

As far as I know, no direct changes to people's banks were made.  The banking system itself was changed, but this applied to all players equally. 

We were told do not yellow bar or rewards would be delayed, with BG you have 2 options yellow bar or kill, what other STRATEGY can be employed.

THIS IS NOT A SLOT MACHINE and if you want to say it is by the response of being "out of sync" then there is no STRATEGY 

Why are we told we can't discuss part of the game in "game discussion" should you rename the category "mods choice of topics" or they will be closed and I will probably get banned or warned but maybe some will see this before I am censored.

This is starting to feel like a dictatorship, time to rise up people

Snowgoon said:

thefray said:

All I know is I track my BG and there is no rhyme or reason to the BG, the mythical box rewards seem to have disappeared about the same time as the banking problem appeared. Low level BG are not an issue as you do not need to load 300 million resources to get a "in sync" reward but you have gone too far with the randomness.

Remember the Yellow Bar Thread?

Many players were accused of cheating, and alonya said 'They are being dealt with'.

My bet is that their banks were nerfed ... and many other innocent players also saw their bank nerfed too

Why else would hundreds of players now have impossible levels of negative banking ... and support refuses to talk to them

was so in part i find it right  but they have to say, i proposed not to activate hero bonus if BIG negative bank but closed ears

Oh yeah, some people have hastened the programs in the past and now do not are more BG, they know all plan 

jumy said:

Warrior said:

Jumy if you think spending wisely is also not a strategy to be used then i feel that you still need to learn a lot buddy.

There are various ways you can build and grow fast but the most efficient one is the one that uses least amount of sapphires.

As for Alts and Bots, you just want to pick up the point that is already acknowledged and the thing that we need to understand here is that Game development is not Magic, you cannot change the code or the feature by snapping fingers.

We all need to understand that some solutions are complex and some implementations are complex and hence some of them might take more time than others.

spending wisely unique strategy in this game

i think you are incompetent and take us around, after 5 years we need to understand?

i already realized this fake autobot game (you cannot change the code)

how about highlighting the meaning full sentences as well.. also please re-read to understand what i mean and that is all i could request you. As the topic say "We dont Understand", so i am just making my effort to make people understand.

Eugenia Misura said:

thefray said:

We were told do not yellow bar or rewards would be delayed, with BG you have 2 options yellow bar or kill, what other STRATEGY can be employed.

THIS IS NOT A SLOT MACHINE and if you want to say it is by the response of being "out of sync" then there is no STRATEGY 

Why are we told we can't discuss part of the game in "game discussion" should you rename the category "mods choice of topics" or they will be closed and I will probably get banned or warned but maybe some will see this before I am censored.

This is starting to feel like a dictatorship, time to rise up people

Lord thefray, where did you get the information from Plarium representative that BGs are "out of sync"?

It was in the reply back to Lord Mark from Plarium support, that the rewards was out of sync but it worked as intended..... go figure...

It also describe the relation between the players and Plarium itself very well.... Out of sync...

thefray said:

We were told do not yellow bar or rewards would be delayed, with BG you have 2 options yellow bar or kill, what other STRATEGY can be employed.

THIS IS NOT A SLOT MACHINE and if you want to say it is by the response of being "out of sync" then there is no STRATEGY 

Why are we told we can't discuss part of the game in "game discussion" should you rename the category "mods choice of topics" or they will be closed and I will probably get banned or warned but maybe some will see this before I am censored.

This is starting to feel like a dictatorship, time to rise up people

Lord thefray, where did you get the information from Plarium representative that BGs are "out of sync"?

the truth of the matter is, its a stolen, copied, cloned what ever game format.  they probably dont even have devs that know the BG algorithm anymore.

all plarium devs are hard at work making mobile platform games. 

Warrior said:

zach-rose11 said:

Warrior, with all due respect, I feel like the link you provided me is an outdated version. No one seems to believe that that "tutorial" is helpful, I mean, at least from reading through the comments. It is from 2015, and it is outdated, at least parts of it. Would you care to ask Lord Oberon for an updated version? :) 

I think that the majority of the community is having trouble with BG's and it's causing them to not want to play, or causing them to quit the game. Can't see how Plarium would want this! :(

Hi Zach, That is a link by a player. It gives out the strategy that he uses and not the in game mechanism of BG that plarium has deviced. The main reason we play this game is for the use of strategy if everyone knew the in game BG mechanics then there will be no strategy at all. It will be like a mechanical game. From my honest opinion, giving out the in game mechanics is some thing that Lord Oberon would also not able to do. Hence we as a player need to find it out on what the best method is.

I agree that BG is a risky affair and from a few players have left doing BGs. Infact till 6 months back i was also not doing BG but then i found the way to make profit out of it and it was way before i was even a moderator(it only 2 weeks as Mod). People have switched to low level BGs or only making troops rather than doing BG.

hey,

gratz on becoming a mod.

i am responding to this because it speaks to the population of the game.  the game is designed for either mega coiners or for the mathematically strong using formulas and algorithms.  all others really can only tinker in the game like i do.  there are many more like me in the game that do not belong to the desired populous. if we left, the population would be even smaller.

many leagues and players, have said to do bgs, and players have done them, but for most of those players they find that it is just a resource sink, but that there are mystical ways of doing bgs.  this being the gain of the mathematically strong as strategy.  until the mathematically strong run into the problem of a casual player who does not do formulas.  but for alot of us it is the same issue as always.  9 months ago i could not get a single "payout"  between 25 and 35 with my rune being 36.  i would do 25 or 30 bgs between level 30 and 35 with no "payout".  but i would drop down to level 19 or 20 and get a "payout".  so i stopped doing bgs.

i say this only to state the idea of game population.  the gap between mega coiners and or elite mathematicians and the common folk is to huge for common folk to justify playing this game.  if this is acceptable to the elite, then there should be no talk of shrinking population among the elite.  for it is the desired effect.

i have stated many times that what i, a common folk, would like from the game is true growth paths and not another resource sink.  the only 2 developed by plarium are quests and tribute.  the best growth path is not developed by plarium, that being bot castles for raiding.  everything else is a resource sink,  at least for most that includes bgs.

again the reason for my response is simply to speak to game population.  every time the word strategy is used stating that the common folk should not be part of the population.  think about that.

it may seem like i have been trying to call you out, that is not the case, i have just been quoting you when i thought i could get my view across.

simple test for the scam of this game

same or similar other 15 attack received

well now try this FRAUD and send few arch

you are thieves

jumy said:

simple test for the scam of this game

same or similar other 15 attack received

well now try this FRAUD and send few arch

you are thieves

Jumi, a battle outcome is calculated as the ratio of the strength of your troops to your enemy's forces. The result will depend on the off / def power of your army and the power of your opponent. Plus, there are many ingame Items that can increase both off / def charactetistics.

jumy said:

simple test for the scam of this game

same or similar other 15 attack received

well now try this FRAUD and send few arch

you are thieves

If I'm interpreting that correctly, these are all hits on fortresses. If so it makes perfect sense to me. Fortresses work on seige mechanics. This works like raid mechanics when the amount of defense in a fortress is close to the amount of offense sent at it. However, when one side overwhelms the other, the overwhelming side's losses decrease rapidly below the weaker side's.

You can recreate the seige "curve" yourself by sending units to a dead castle (preferably without any castle defense bonus) and having someone else seige them at varying amounts.

zach-rose11 said:

Warrior, with all due respect, I feel like the link you provided me is an outdated version. No one seems to believe that that "tutorial" is helpful, I mean, at least from reading through the comments. It is from 2015, and it is outdated, at least parts of it. Would you care to ask Lord Oberon for an updated version? :) 

I think that the majority of the community is having trouble with BG's and it's causing them to not want to play, or causing them to quit the game. Can't see how Plarium would want this! :(

Hi Zach, That is a link by a player. It gives out the strategy that he uses and not the in game mechanism of BG that plarium has deviced. The main reason we play this game is for the use of strategy if everyone knew the in game BG mechanics then there will be no strategy at all. It will be like a mechanical game. From my honest opinion, giving out the in game mechanics is some thing that Lord Oberon would also not able to do. Hence we as a player need to find it out on what the best method is.

I agree that BG is a risky affair and from a few players have left doing BGs. Infact till 6 months back i was also not doing BG but then i found the way to make profit out of it and it was way before i was even a moderator(it only 2 weeks as Mod). People have switched to low level BGs or only making troops rather than doing BG.

@Warrior

Don't blame yourself further, for nothing.

Plarium have one payed employee per time per game in Role of CM, some kind of interaction between Plarium and players.

CM isn't customer support. It is Plarium advocate, and stands for Plarium trying to rise fog every time when it is possible. We never got any support/help from CM's, or any other Palrium stuff.

Mods are special story, very well composed from Plarium. Not expert but experienced user chosen for Mods (sometimes Mod could be very less experienced, Plarium doesn't care) are used for free to protect Plarium's interests. No one Mod have any real knowledge about Plarium and it's processes. They could use their own knowledge, very often very wrong, to get some responses on forum.

So, Plarium have no spends for them, and in turn Mods are new fog makers in complete scene, because they have no real knowledge just assumptions, so far from the truth. Couple Mods tried to be honest and to write some kind of neutral answers, trying to be useful. Most Mods tried to promote themselves as authority. Sometimes based on wish to help, but more often based on nothing.

I believe that you believe that Plarium has development team as you described but that isn't truth. Lord Oberon explained that before almost 2 years. Plarium has a much more simpler, naive, smaller dev team.  Cheap obviously. And with cheap customer oriented team (1 payed employee) Plarium has huge profit for themselves.

@Zach-Rose11

All in this game has only one purpose to make money for Plarium. That isn't wrong. The way how they collect money from us is more than wrong.

One of the most profitable thing in that is BG. BG is intentionally kept as black box with unknown algorithm, and used very clever to push players into sapphires buying. Today, there is no one point when any player can earn benefit using its skills, time and effort in the game.

There was a time when that was possible, but today only what you can is to spend real money to compete with the others ready to spend money, too. To be clear, and avoid con arguments, there is a couple way how you can make profit without using real money, but they will cost you time so much that while you will reach very poor profit, every coiner will gain so much more. As final result you will be looser again, in that competition.

Polarity between coiners and non-coiners are passed the point of no return, nothing is left in the middle, and only we can is to choose what is our pole.

One thing is wonderful in this game. It is playable forever, because if you have a little brain, no one can harm you, no matter how weak you are.

Who wants to play such game is the second question, on which we're getting answer every day.

Until the judgement day.

zach-rose11 said:

I think it would benefit Plarium, to introduce a tutorial or either sponsor a player to help the community understand BG mechanics in real-time via live stream or a Q/A with actual answers not just linking an excel spreadsheet or telling them to yellow bar.

If this were to happen, players would see a better way to do BG's and thus they would start doing them more often. Plarium would not lose any money this way either, since you would attract more players to actually "WANT TO" do BG's instead of them coming on the forums and complaining how they lose more than they gained and get the response of, "You're doing them wrong. Look at this payout I got! 10,000 dragons and 5,000 Grifs!).

tl;dr Teach us a correct or at least better way of doing these crucial BG's and allow us to see rewards more often to encourage more attempts!

There is a banking Battleground tutorial. I hope this one helps..

http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-tutorials/10777_banking-battlegrounds

I think it would benefit Plarium, to introduce a tutorial or either sponsor a player to help the community understand BG mechanics in real-time via live stream or a Q/A with actual answers not just linking an excel spreadsheet or telling them to yellow bar.

If this were to happen, players would see a better way to do BG's and thus they would start doing them more often. Plarium would not lose any money this way either, since you would attract more players to actually "WANT TO" do BG's instead of them coming on the forums and complaining how they lose more than they gained and get the response of, "You're doing them wrong. Look at this payout I got! 10,000 dragons and 5,000 Grifs!).

tl;dr Teach us a correct or at least better way of doing these crucial BG's and allow us to see rewards more often to encourage more attempts!

Gadheras said:

Warrior said:

4th para: I have been in IT industry for the past 12 years and playing MMO games for the past 15 years(atleast) and i can say that the forum can improve and we can put in the forum as suggestions inorder to get it in Developers eyes rather than whining about it here. The filtering is required to make sure only relevent information is passed since if all things are passed there is a higher possiblity that the important parts can be missed. Hence the first line of support was created.

Well I been playing mmo's ever since the first round of Planetarion. Thats over 16 years ago. Their server was run from the living room of the dudes ran the game, and you could chat with them on IRC.

Since then I played numberous mmo's and other games. Been beta tester for several, age of conan, swtor, secret world and a few others. Im used to have the devs actually communciate with the players in mmo's I play. Over 13 years with EVE and CCP Games probably spoiled me a lot as well. What I really miss with Plarium is accountability. You have the CM's acting as carrier pidgeons. But you have no idea who sitting on the other side. Its a sterile enviroment, not good for build a healthy commuity. If there exist such a thing as a lead dev, or game designer(s), have some face time with the community in form of dev blogs or videos wouldn't be that terrible.

The feeling I got is kinda like

Great to hear that you have experience as a tester. then you will definitely understand the scenario difference that i am about to explain.

A tester is a person who will directly interact with developers. A Beta / Alpha testing game is usually build so that it can be released to a small set of player so that the scenarios can be tested by live users of the game. Hence they are able to directly contact the Developers.

The scenario here is different, it is the live game that we are talking about. The moderator and CMs also help in finding, validating and recreating bugs that are reported or that they can find. It is then reported to the Devs. And hence the moderator and the CMs act as the first line of support.

The game can evolve and get better if both the sides understand the limitation of each other.

Also since you do understand the MMO Gaming scenario and the gaming scenario well, i would also like to highlight that we have good and experienced players like you that make up the center point of improvement of the game. We do our best to take every possible point to the Devs but as you know that each of the things need to be prioritized and categorized before even the fix has been thought. Also the terms used in communication will be different at each level. We understand the terms that you use but the same might not be the exact terms that are used by the Devs, solution designers, etc. I am sure you are already familiar with all this.

As the CM said that we and will do the best we can but we all have our roles to play.