Stormfall said:

Are you serious? Bullying doesnt exist in pvp games? I was half serious in my last post but now i think i might be on to something. Its pretty obvious your views are rarely challenged here, on the forum. In the post, when you are first time addresing me, you politle asking me to gtfo if i dont share your point of view about bot lines. In the one before last you are wishing me to get "leveled to the ground". That suggest anger-related issues

Gadheras said:

While back I stalked another player, figured out his pattern, when he did his raids, when he went to sleep and so on. 2 times I caught his OFF returning from raids in the early hours together with the resources he raided for. He got mildly salty, but hey. that just delicious.

Tell me, the person you "stalked", did you made him quit? Do you think thats the point of this game, to wipe someone out? To make them lose so much they wont log in again? Yeah Plarium's monetization policy is largely to blame for the state this game is in, but you might want to look at your game style and ask yourself "Did I make someone quit this game for my amusement?" And yes, that is bullying.

This is rather pointless, you just seem to want a city builder that base growth on just trivial acitivies as raid bot castes. Truth to be told, if I manage to get someone to quit this game, I probably do them a big favor. 

I see no point in continuing these arbitrary whimsical affair. You fail to answer question let alone make a good thesis, other than long nonsensical preposterous comments that say naught. 

You have been commissioning for the removal of bots, and inactive castles.And the only reason, it seem to stand on these position, is that it kills the war game. but time and time you fail to say, or even brace us with how will that come to be. 

If you look in the map, on the untamed land, or the dark plains you will see something outstanding. 75% of the castles near the bot line( in 100 mil) are active and over level 45.  Is that killing the war game. hell no. I am waiting to jump away from a bot line as soon as plarium introduce teleports, cause its just crazy.

These prove something, bot make thee game a little bit sane, a little bit strategic. How here is how:

Players have more resources to build armies. Coiners who are normally never online 5 hrs at a time get to kill something come Friday and non coiners, who get to raid(build armies) gain some sapphires from Siege rankings, raid ranking tribute ranking,and getting killed( by coiners) and with these gains they buy bigger armies and legends and they get to have their revenge. A little sane,and it has been working for almost 2 years.

If you have any argument to support the claim that inactives and bots kill war game please post, if not, then please don't. 

Plarium Support have de-activated these accounts but that does not guarantee that they will not be re-activate in the future ... we saw this with the 295 bot line and all plarium did was give them protection bubbles

Lord Oberon promised to replace them with vacant lots - this is the only permanent solution - there are no factors to consider. Just bite the bullet and remove them all .... but warn the community first that it is 'Logical and Justified' haha

Sifr said:

Funny thing though. I like this game because I can login for 15 mins/session sending spies and raids and all other things. And I wanna see how far I can go without coining. So in a sense this is city build sim for me hahaha.

I really can't spend hours on game like I used to during RO for example with all these things to do, I just wanna play some slow paced game. I guess this is wrong gameplay according to you?

If I raided anyone and they asked me to stop I always stop. I guess I'm just soft hearted heh.

And besides there are things that are similar between this game and civ and total war. Diplomacy is necessary. On a league scale at least. And I guess you are unleagued?

Oh well, you can always find me on my signature below :)

There is no right or wrong way to play the game. But you can't start call people bullies and what not for playing the game in a different way than you do yourself.  Some players just want to play "sim sand castle" others like to push sand castles over. And this game is one that favor the later. I just get a big grupe with players that get uppset if they can't raid/farm bots anylonger, because hardly how the game was intended to be played. 

I'm in a legaue, and the whole diplo stuff is not something I'm involved with. As long as my league doesn't have any relation to someone, they legit targets. Got some mutual deals and naps with locals, but that just about it.

oracle said:

If you have any argument to support the claim that inactives and bots kill war game please post, if not, then please don't. 

I didnt say inactive castles did kill the game. If the bots all got turned inactive, no worries. use them. The difference is in the YIELD a active and a inactive castle have. There is a reason why those bots is so sought after right? They offer something of better value than a inactive castle of same level. But the location of these bot's make it so they will benefit some more than others. If Plarium decided to break up the lines and scatter them all over the map, it would even the playing field some as well. 

Bottom line is, what these bots bring to the game is just not free resources for players. Bots (and alts), get used to rigg tournaments as well. Offer defenise armies, and cannon fooder to hit with. and of course bring the issue with real money trading into the game (selling resources and scrolls).

Lady Nerium KT-S2 said:

For every feature of the game, someone will eventually find an exploit. Just the way it works. We just have to hope that the exploits don't affect us so negatively that it ruins the game. I am totally against the people who "sell" items/resources in the game, but the only way to stop them is to not buy. No benefit and they go somewhere else. 

Everyone plays the game differently and that's great. Some like to kill everything in sight and really enjoy the hunt for targets, others like to build and trade, or prefer defense vs offense. There is no one "right" way to play, but as long as we're all polite to each other it works. 

Thats like ask players not to buy fireballs. The bots there for a reason, Plarium enable them to profit from players wanting cheap resources and scrolls. Its a problem Plarium need to deal with, its not something the players can do much about at all. 

As for the politeness, once you attacked a few players in this game you recieved enough "fan mail" to know, the butthurt can be strong in players -)

oracle said:

I see no point in continuing these arbitrary whimsical affair. You fail to answer question let alone make a good thesis, other than long nonsensical preposterous comments that say naught. 

You have been commissioning for the removal of bots, and inactive castles.And the only reason, it seem to stand on these position, is that it kills the war game. but time and time you fail to say, or even brace us with how will that come to be. 

Oracle, 

bot castles have been showing up in the events top ranking now. 

That means that these castles are producing and selling armies for Walls of Defense.  Now, not only can a coiner buy from the black market, he can also buy an army from the underground market. Doubling the size of a defense at a castle, add on top of that 50% bonus and now...there is no way to strategize anyting. 

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

toggit said:

Plarium Support have de-activated these accounts but that does not guarantee that they will not be re-activate in the future ... we saw this with the 295 bot line and all plarium did was give them protection bubbles

Lord Oberon promised to replace them with vacant lots - this is the only permanent solution - there are no factors to consider. Just bite the bullet and remove them all .... but warn the community first that it is 'Logical and Justified' haha

We don't know what kind of measures were taken. Looks like they didn't log in for a while, and when they logged in again, they've received that protection which is automated. Nobody from Plarium can give it.

You are severely misinformed - you need to talk to Alex

Alexander Novak My Lords and Ladies, we took corresponding measures in regards to these accounts.

Like · Reply · 2 · 22 March at 14:43

The 295 bot line was shut down after I reported on Unofficial Stormfall Community that they were winning Sapphires from Tournaments - but they were allowed to be re-activated recently and were given protection bubbles ... perhaps these bubbles could have been made permanent.
Other gamesites have Memorial Castles to avoid interaction. This could also be used to stop the bots

oracle said:

I see no point in continuing these arbitrary whimsical affair. You fail to answer question let alone make a good thesis, other than long nonsensical preposterous comments that say naught. 

You have been commissioning for the removal of bots, and inactive castles.And the only reason, it seem to stand on these position, is that it kills the war game. but time and time you fail to say, or even brace us with how will that come to be. 

Oracle, 

bot castles have been showing up in the events top ranking now. 

For every feature of the game, someone will eventually find an exploit. Just the way it works. We just have to hope that the exploits don't affect us so negatively that it ruins the game. I am totally against the people who "sell" items/resources in the game, but the only way to stop them is to not buy. No benefit and they go somewhere else. 

Gadheras said:

Sifr said:

Gadheras said:

Sifr said:

Have these bot castles in Plarium to give up a lot of free resources is not a blessing to the players. If you want resources go raid other active players and get some pvp points at same time.

Raiding active players will make you lose more than what you gain. Not to mention it will create hostilities. As a no coiner who raid everyday, without inactive castles all around me, it'll be next to impossible to build troops.

 Why should someone that is close to these bots be more entitled to free resources than those far from them? 

Actually most bot lines are on the outer rim of the map. What I know of are 1730, 1910, and 2100-2125 (the last one is too far for me). And maybe there are more. It can be useful for those new guys. As for the old guys who are on the inside rim, they can use gate of precision to move if they want.

Problem isnt raid inactive castles, problem is abuse bots that is active and who generate much more resources than what an inactive castle does. Also if you afraid of lose troops playing a war game. You playing the wrong game imho.

I've played civ games and total war series. What I learned from them is that if I wage war with everyone I'll be dead in 10 turns. Catacomb is sure a nice place here though.

Neither Total WAR or Civ is a multiplayer game on this scale. You know you can raid and stuff even when sieged right ? End of the day this is a pvp game, its not a pve city builder. 

Sometimes when I hit someone, I get an agry mail asking why I did that for when there is so many inactive castles to raid.... I just "because I can".

Funny thing though. I like this game because I can login for 15 mins/session sending spies and raids and all other things. And I wanna see how far I can go without coining. So in a sense this is city build sim for me hahaha.

I really can't spend hours on game like I used to during RO for example with all these things to do, I just wanna play some slow paced game. I guess this is wrong gameplay according to you?

If I raided anyone and they asked me to stop I always stop. I guess I'm just soft hearted heh.

And besides there are things that are similar between this game and civ and total war. Diplomacy is necessary. On a league scale at least. And I guess you are unleagued?

Oh well, you can always find me on my signature below :)

Are you serious? Bullying doesnt exist in pvp games? I was half serious in my last post but now i think i might be on to something. Its pretty obvious your views are rarely challenged here, on the forum. In the post, when you are first time addresing me, you politle asking me to gtfo if i dont share your point of view about bot lines. In the one before last you are wishing me to get "leveled to the ground". That suggest anger-related issues

Gadheras said:

While back I stalked another player, figured out his pattern, when he did his raids, when he went to sleep and so on. 2 times I caught his OFF returning from raids in the early hours together with the resources he raided for. He got mildly salty, but hey. that just delicious.

Tell me, the person you "stalked", did you made him quit? Do you think thats the point of this game, to wipe someone out? To make them lose so much they wont log in again? Yeah Plarium's monetization policy is largely to blame for the state this game is in, but you might want to look at your game style and ask yourself "Did I make someone quit this game for my amusement?" And yes, that is bullying.

Gadheras said:

I maxed all my buildings and tech. I got long build queues, and Im running short of food. I have no desperate need to make use of the daily 10 raids for resources. Im selective in who and what I hit. Heck one week I can find particular interest in just break the siege of some dude that go around siege anything he see.

I am starting to notice a pattern here. You dont answer questions I am asking. What is the difference between me raiding bot line and you raiding inactive castles? When you needed resources were you raiding only active players?

Edit.

Gadheras said:

Im in the mid 70, and I raid both above and under me. If my spies find something nice I go for it. You can't go around and be afraid of a retaliation, in a pvp game. And who says I just raid inactives?

While back I stalked another player, figured out his pattern, when he did his raids, when he went to sleep and so on. 2 times I caught his OFF returning from raids in the early hours together with the resources he raided for. He got mildly salty, but hey. that just delicious.

Put some effort into it ffs, and don't expect everything to be handed to you on a silver plate.

Are you raiding 70 active players per week? Or are you farimng resources by raiding inactive castles which is the same thing as me raiding bot lines.

Stormfall said:

Gadheras said:

When I started play over a year ago. I had no idea bout bots stacked with resources and so on. I made spies, LOTS OF THEM, I send them out, I used note pad, wrote down co-ords. I started pay notice to when players was active, when they was sleeping and so on. You know its called, PLAY THE GAME. Its a war game, its not hello-kitty online, or build your sand castle. 

The difference between active bots and inactive players is the level of resources they pump out. Go sit on some regular player level 50 something that havent logged in in months and a active bot of same level. The resource income is very much different. 

If bots is a requirement for you to even play this game, I would claim this game would be better without you. No offense, but why should you be such a special need case, compared to others. 

This isnt hello-kitty online? OMG!!! half a year wasted!!! Im asking you again what is the difference between you raiding inactive castles and me raiding a bot line? Also what is your level and average level of active players you are raiding for resourcess?

Im in the mid 70, and I raid both above and under me. If my spies find something nice I go for it. You can't go around and be afraid of a retaliation, in a pvp game. And who says I just raid inactives?

While back I stalked another player, figured out his pattern, when he did his raids, when he went to sleep and so on. 2 times I caught his OFF returning from raids in the early hours together with the resources he raided for. He got mildly salty, but hey. that just delicious.

When I started play over a year ago. I had no idea bout bots stacked with resources and so on. I made spies, LOTS OF THEM, I send them out, I used note pad, wrote down co-ords. I started pay notice to when players was active, when they was sleeping and so on. You know its called, PLAY THE GAME. Its a war game, its not hello-kitty online, or build your sand castle. 

The difference between active bots and inactive players is the level of resources they pump out. Go sit on some regular player level 50 something that havent logged in in months and a active bot of same level. The resource income is very much different. 

If bots is a requirement for you to even play this game, I would claim this game would be better without you. No offense, but why should you be such a special need case, compared to others. 

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Many factors should be considered. If we remove those Bot Castles, many players who use them as farms will start complaining. So it's not the best option. 

And yes, I would say "report it" as many times as it takes, because there is a certain workflow for such cases. You need to report them to Support, they need to check your information and decide what to do next.

Plarium Support have de-activated these accounts but that does not guarantee that they will not be re-activate in the future ... we saw this with the 295 bot line and all plarium did was give them protection bubbles

Lord Oberon promised to replace them with vacant lots - this is the only permanent solution - there are no factors to consider. Just bite the bullet and remove them all .... but warn the community first that it is 'Logical and Justified' haha

Have these bot castles in Plarium to give up a lot of free resources is not a blessing to the players. If you want resources go raid other active players and get some pvp points at same time.

Raiding active players will make you lose more than what you gain. Not to mention it will create hostilities. As a no coiner who raid everyday, without inactive castles all around me, it'll be next to impossible to build troops.

 Why should someone that is close to these bots be more entitled to free resources than those far from them? 

Actually most bot lines are on the outer rim of the map. What I know of are 1730, 1910, and 2100-2125 (the last one is too far for me). And maybe there are more. It can be useful for those new guys. As for the old guys who are on the inside rim, they can use gate of precision to move if they want.

Stormfall said:

@Gadheras

How do you expect lower level players to grow if you remove bot lines? They gonna raid you or other level 80+ players for resources? Whats the difference between bot castle and castle inactive for a month or the one you are raiding? Because I assume you dont raid bot lines. Those "hackers" was the best thing that happend to Plarium in my opinion. Without bot lines I would have quit after the first week of playing when I found out how much p2w content is in this game.

When I started play over a year ago. I had no idea bout bots stacked with resources and so on. I made spies, LOTS OF THEM, I send them out, I used note pad, wrote down co-ords. I started pay notice to when players was active, when they was sleeping and so on. You know its called, PLAY THE GAME. Its a war game, its not hello-kitty online, or build your sand castle. 

The difference between active bots and inactive players is the level of resources they pump out. Go sit on some regular player level 50 something that havent logged in in months and a active bot of same level. The resource income is very much different.