the bots dont belong to plarium. they belong to hackers......

the problem has gotten so out of hand people just think they are part of the game now.

plarium never did anything to fix it, now any attempt to do so will look like plarium us punishing players. 

brunsonthomas said:

IronApex Turok said:

the bots dont belong to plarium. they belong to hackers......

the problem has gotten so out of hand people just think they are part of the game now.

plarium never did anything to fix it, now any attempt to do so will look like plarium us punishing players. 

It looks like someone has found bots and is trying to change things. If you siege a bot the output is approximately 1/4 what it was a few days ago, more in line with what a regular castle of the level would produce.

what do you mean a regular castle?

brunsonthomas said:

IronApex Turok said:

the bots dont belong to plarium. they belong to hackers......

the problem has gotten so out of hand people just think they are part of the game now.

plarium never did anything to fix it, now any attempt to do so will look like plarium us punishing players. 

It looks like someone has found bots and is trying to change things. If you siege a bot the output is approximately 1/4 what it was a few days ago, more in line with what a regular castle of the level would produce.

what do you mean a regular castle?

how is a "bot" castle not a regular castle.  what are hackers doing to increase production?

Yes, I have  noticed too, Now I have to spy to raid( something that was never necessary). The bot was always full. But plarium doesn't care they never care. If they look around the bot they will see  so many active players around, bot create conflict, conflict make people more active. 

if you compare the untamed land and the dark plains you will find that most cattle around active bot have better chance of going active till at least level 50+.  but when they are far away from the bots, they go inactive before level 15-.  

Plarium never cares, without active bot castles players will quit, or find other ways of getting resources. or just plain quit. with and emphasis on $$$$, it has become hard for new players to stay. without resources the Game is dead. unless if you can put in another currency ''Sapphires'' and coin. but that is too expensive for a level 1-15, or just plain useless.

Bot must be active, and make as many as 3 lines per 100 mils.  especially next to new players locations. 

I don;t know what happened to those Castles. Any ideas?

brunsonthomas said:

IronApex Turok said:

the bots dont belong to plarium. they belong to hackers......

the problem has gotten so out of hand people just think they are part of the game now.

plarium never did anything to fix it, now any attempt to do so will look like plarium us punishing players. 

It looks like someone has found bots and is trying to change things. If you siege a bot the output is approximately 1/4 what it was a few days ago, more in line with what a regular castle of the level would produce.

what do you mean a regular castle?

how is a "bot" castle not a regular castle.  what are hackers doing to increase production?

oracle said:

I realize what bot are, and how they function. But these game is not a strategy game and definitely not an RPG game. Bot make it, a little bit fair. it made things a little bit sane. When you play a game were money is a factor and were the real effect and sweat that come with planning mean nothing. We get to play with players that are mostly from the USA. even though we can both be student but the mere fact that He/She can buy as many at ten times the rate that i get to pay with make things unfair. Sapphires price are ridiculous expensive for anyone we is not from Europe or from USA, and since Plarium have decided that $$$ is the way to go, there is no fixing these. 

I can bet you anyone that most players who win tournament are either from USA, Europe or just mad rich. none/ few of them understand the mechanics or anything to do with the game. they are just players who get most fun out of the game by, being born in those countries. By taking the price away Plarium will be a fun and a fair game. 

Bots not the hackers behind the bots have made things better. they have balanced the game and make it more playable for other ''UNable to coin players'' that these game have been designed against. 

The thesis that bot kill game play is just a bare assertion fallacy. there is no prove that these is a case. Eve, although the dynamics and mechanics of Eve are way to different to stormfall, have functioned for many years with Farmers, and although farmers are BAD, and should not be allowed in such a game as stormfall the game mechanics and the time frame that it take to do anything on stormfall make it impossible for a farmer to function. And I must include farmers are not BOTS. bot are different they just sit on the map and produce resources. weather someone sell from these castles, that I have not heard of. although I had an offer of resources from a non bot cattle.  

And please don't lecture me about exchange rates( I am a first witness on how they are used and were used to destroy Zimbabwe) or Kabam I have played there  most beacon are empty, players are way to dump they don't know anything beyond Hello and HI. although the prices are fairer there, 
 

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M'kay, once more... There is no HACKERS running these bot castles. All that is needed to create a bot farm is to a) register a whole bunch of accounts b) have automated software that run the entire thing. No hacking involved. And even scare tactics is used to claim these hackers etc doesn't make it so. Plarium got no interest in players make use of such, and of course want to scare players from use them. This is a presistant problem, because, take 1 down, 2 more pop up, and it does because Plarium is a enabler to the problem and create a market for it. 

The farmers start spam other players about selling resources and scroll at "cheap" rates. The term is gold sellers and most mmo's have them at some level or the other. They have no interest in hack players to make a short time gain if they can get a lot of customers over time.

You can see a documentary about gold farming here @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3cmCKjPLR8

Also you single out US and Euro players as rich to spend tons of this game, and its unfair because you can't. Well there is those that spend a lot yeah and then there is those that don't. I'm of the later, and I don't because this game just doesn't deserve the level of cash it ask for. and because I'm not MAD rich as you say.

And don't even start go on about farmers is okay in EVE. Because it ain't. All "real money trading" in EVE is frown uppon and players found to take part get banned. I been playing EVE ever since the beta, and still is. What EVE does is allow players to have multiple accounts. You mad at people that can run multiple accounts there too when you can just afford one? They also made new rules regarding use of such software as ISBOXER in EVE as well, and any form of automated process bot programs is not allowed.

Have these bot castles in Plarium to give up a lot of free resources is not a blessing to the players. If you want resources go raid other active players and get some pvp points at same time. Why should someone that is close to these bots be more entitled to free resources than those far from them? Don't you see this create a inbalance? At the same time, we also got single players that run a lot of castles automated to act like feeders for their main castle. Their alt castles act like places to earn pvp points, spy farms and so on. All this is something Plarium seems very reluctant to deal with. Its always "report it"..... but for over a year now I still got the same bot neighbours around me. I can hit them for cheap pvp points, and resources. just because... they are there. It doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Gadheras said:

Have these bot castles in Plarium to give up a lot of free resources is not a blessing to the players. If you want resources go raid other active players and get some pvp points at same time. Why should someone that is close to these bots be more entitled to free resources than those far from them? Don't you see this create a inbalance? At the same time, we also got single players that run a lot of castles automated to act like feeders for their main castle. Their alt castles act like places to earn pvp points, spy farms and so on. All this is something Plarium seems very reluctant to deal with. Its always "report it"..... but for over a year now I still got the same bot neighbours around me. I can hit them for cheap pvp points, and resources. just because... they are there. It doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Many factors should be considered. If we remove those Bot Castles, many players who use them as farms will start complaining. So it's not the best option. 

And yes, I would say "report it" as many times as it takes, because there is a certain workflow for such cases. You need to report them to Support, they need to check your information and decide what to do next.

There are certain bot castles that give you your 33k across the board which if your massive -ph makes you go for the other bots that give 60-70% food to counteract the even beacons great intill you are in a position to hit the food raids again.

take the bots away and you will double the raiding for average  raiders (guesstimate) BUT Plarium wants us to fight each other which will be lessened with the extra raid work.

Sifr said:

Have these bot castles in Plarium to give up a lot of free resources is not a blessing to the players. If you want resources go raid other active players and get some pvp points at same time.

Raiding active players will make you lose more than what you gain. Not to mention it will create hostilities. As a no coiner who raid everyday, without inactive castles all around me, it'll be next to impossible to build troops.

 Why should someone that is close to these bots be more entitled to free resources than those far from them? 

Actually most bot lines are on the outer rim of the map. What I know of are 1730, 1910, and 2100-2125 (the last one is too far for me). And maybe there are more. It can be useful for those new guys. As for the old guys who are on the inside rim, they can use gate of precision to move if they want.

Problem isnt raid inactive castles, problem is abuse bots that is active and who generate much more resources than what an inactive castle does. Also if you afraid of lose troops playing a war game. You playing the wrong game imho.

Stormfall said:

Gadheras said:

When I started play over a year ago. I had no idea bout bots stacked with resources and so on. I made spies, LOTS OF THEM, I send them out, I used note pad, wrote down co-ords. I started pay notice to when players was active, when they was sleeping and so on. You know its called, PLAY THE GAME. Its a war game, its not hello-kitty online, or build your sand castle. 

The difference between active bots and inactive players is the level of resources they pump out. Go sit on some regular player level 50 something that havent logged in in months and a active bot of same level. The resource income is very much different. 

If bots is a requirement for you to even play this game, I would claim this game would be better without you. No offense, but why should you be such a special need case, compared to others. 

This isnt hello-kitty online? OMG!!! half a year wasted!!! Im asking you again what is the difference between you raiding inactive castles and me raiding a bot line? Also what is your level and average level of active players you are raiding for resourcess?

Im in the mid 70, and I raid both above and under me. If my spies find something nice I go for it. You can't go around and be afraid of a retaliation, in a pvp game. And who says I just raid inactives?

While back I stalked another player, figured out his pattern, when he did his raids, when he went to sleep and so on. 2 times I caught his OFF returning from raids in the early hours together with the resources he raided for. He got mildly salty, but hey. that just delicious.

Gadheras said:

Im in the mid 70, and I raid both above and under me. If my spies find something nice I go for it. You can't go around and be afraid of a retaliation, in a pvp game. And who says I just raid inactives?

While back I stalked another player, figured out his pattern, when he did his raids, when he went to sleep and so on. 2 times I caught his OFF returning from raids in the early hours together with the resources he raided for. He got mildly salty, but hey. that just delicious.

Put some effort into it ffs, and don't expect everything to be handed to you on a silver plate.

Are you raiding 70 active players per week? Or are you farimng resources by raiding inactive castles which is the same thing as me raiding bot lines.

Gadheras said:

Im in the mid 70, and I raid both above and under me. If my spies find something nice I go for it. You can't go around and be afraid of a retaliation, in a pvp game. And who says I just raid inactives?

While back I stalked another player, figured out his pattern, when he did his raids, when he went to sleep and so on. 2 times I caught his OFF returning from raids in the early hours together with the resources he raided for. He got mildly salty, but hey. that just delicious.

Put some effort into it ffs, and don't expect everything to be handed to you on a silver plate.

Are you raiding 70 active players per week? Or are you farimng resources by raiding inactive castles which is the same thing as me raiding bot lines.

Stormfall said:

Gadheras said:

I maxed all my buildings and tech. I got long build queues, and Im running short of food. I have no desperate need to make use of the daily 10 raids for resources. Im selective in who and what I hit. Heck one week I can find particular interest in just break the siege of some dude that go around siege anything he see.

I am starting to notice a pattern here. You dont answer questions I am asking. What is the difference between me raiding bot line and you raiding inactive castles? When you needed resources were you raiding only active players?

Edit.

Also if you dont need resources why do you care where other people get them?

1) I raid targerts I find suitable. 

2) these bot castles create an unbalance. 

3) they are not always strightly used as resource farms either. I know some that keep bump out units and spies, fooders for other players. Wouldnt you want a X number of bot castles taht worked for you ? how fair is that?

Gadheras said:

1) I raid targerts I find suitable. 

2) these bot castles create an unbalance. 

3) they are not always strightly used as resource farms either. I know some that keep bump out units and spies, fooders for other players. Wouldnt you want a X number of bot castles taht worked for you ? how fair is that?

4) If you keep tell yourself, just because something benefit you, then it must be great for the game as whole. Hardly right, right? There is the bigger picture. It's sad when Plarium don't want to touch the bots, because they see them as content for their players. However they do label them hackers and worse to keep the players from use their services. Double morale if I ever seen ti before.

Yet again you fail to answer my qustion. What is the difference between me raiding bot line and you raiding inactive castles? There isnt one thats why you are avoiding answering it. The only difference is now, when you no longer need resources, you dont want others to catch up to you. Hypocrite.

Stormfall said:

Gadheras said:

1) I raid targerts I find suitable. 

2) these bot castles create an unbalance. 

3) they are not always strightly used as resource farms either. I know some that keep bump out units and spies, fooders for other players. Wouldnt you want a X number of bot castles taht worked for you ? how fair is that?

4) If you keep tell yourself, just because something benefit you, then it must be great for the game as whole. Hardly right, right? There is the bigger picture. It's sad when Plarium don't want to touch the bots, because they see them as content for their players. However they do label them hackers and worse to keep the players from use their services. Double morale if I ever seen ti before.

Yet again you fail to answer my qustion. What is the difference between me raiding bot line and you raiding inactive castles? There isnt one thats why you are avoiding answering it. The only difference is now, when you no longer need resources, you dont want others to catch up to you. Hypocrite.

The only differece is that if the bot castles got removed, I would do a happy dance, and you would emo-rage quit the game. Also, the difference is you benefit of something Plarium deme as not allowed in the game, but refuse to do something about. You take adventage of something demed as illegal, what does that make you?

I really hope someone manage to level you to the ground, because it sounds like a salt explosion waiting to happen.

Stormfall said:

Gadheras said:

The only differece is that if the bot castles got removed, I would do a happy dance, and you would emo-rage quit the game. Also, the difference is you benefit of something Plarium deme as not allowed in the game, but refuse to do something about. You take adventage of something demed as illegal, what does that make you?

I really hope someone manage to level you to the ground, because it sounds like a salt explosion waiting to happen.

hahahaha...................hahahahaahh...........hahaha I am staring to think you have problems reading. At what point i said i am raiding exclusively botlines. I will do fine without them at least 30% from my 70 per week are inactive high level castles. And raiding them is no different from raiding botline. But contrary to you I dont mind people catching up to me.  This game needs new players.

To sum up. When you are in need of resources. You dont raid bot lines - thats illigal; you dont raid inactive castles - to easy, its a PvP game not a hello-kitty online; you dont raid higher level players - they can retaliete and thats not the point of resource farming (that one i assumed) . That leaves active lower level players also know as bulling, pretty popular in this game. So next time you will think about starting topic titled "Decline" you may want to post your picture with definition of a word "bulling".

oh dear god! Bullying? Its a war game. if I want to make some new player my personal fife. and go visit him every day, I could do so because that is how the game is set up, but wouldnt make me a particular nice person would it? 

Players start play a pvp war game, because, heck, they like that kind of game. You roll with the punches, you dish out and you rescieve, its part of the game, its not about being a bully or not. Christ man. The decline of players is not due to players play the game it supposed to be. Its due to the game is an bottomless drain of cash.

I see no point in continuing these arbitrary whimsical affair. You fail to answer question let alone make a good thesis, other than long nonsensical preposterous comments that say naught. 

You have been commissioning for the removal of bots, and inactive castles.And the only reason, it seem to stand on these position, is that it kills the war game. but time and time you fail to say, or even brace us with how will that come to be. 

If you look in the map, on the untamed land, or the dark plains you will see something outstanding. 75% of the castles near the bot line( in 100 mil) are active and over level 45.  Is that killing the war game. hell no. I am waiting to jump away from a bot line as soon as plarium introduce teleports, cause its just crazy.

These prove something, bot make thee game a little bit sane, a little bit strategic. How here is how:

Players have more resources to build armies. Coiners who are normally never online 5 hrs at a time get to kill something come Friday and non coiners, who get to raid(build armies) gain some sapphires from Siege rankings, raid ranking tribute ranking,and getting killed( by coiners) and with these gains they buy bigger armies and legends and they get to have their revenge. A little sane,and it has been working for almost 2 years.

If you have any argument to support the claim that inactives and bots kill war game please post, if not, then please don't. 

Plarium Support have de-activated these accounts but that does not guarantee that they will not be re-activate in the future ... we saw this with the 295 bot line and all plarium did was give them protection bubbles

Lord Oberon promised to replace them with vacant lots - this is the only permanent solution - there are no factors to consider. Just bite the bullet and remove them all .... but warn the community first that it is 'Logical and Justified' haha