I do not usually speak on forums, sorry for my bad English

there will always be players on one side or on another side

I respect all the players, enemies or friends that these people are right or wrong,

do not judge without knowing, this may have happened to you all, and that day the first

people like you, will scream at the scandal

it's a shame to see how people can be disrespectful towards other players and come to feast on the misfortune of others

I really hope for you that this story does not happen to you

Spicadelik

c_jules77 said:

From Plarium Community Manager

"And as for the situation that has arisen, unfortunately Mad Frenzie was REALLY HACKED"

http://prntscr.com/gq0hqc

Did you forget to include;

"UPDATE

Our Support Team investigated the issue in more details, and it came out that my conclusion regarding this situation was made too fast.

Support team representative discussed this case with the owner of the account once again and informed her about our Support Team's decision.

We won't announce either the results of investigation or decision made by Support team as it's against our Privacy policy.

"

Just release any technical evidence of hacking and make public the communication with Plarium and that would settle the whole thing right?

Sarah Walker said:

obviously your not paying attention , the screenshot clearly states the pc was hacked 

Either you have blinders on or serious problems with comprehending what you are reading. It is very plain. On the 22nd CM Sergey said Mad Fenzie was hacked. Then with the update he stated the initial assessment ie being hacked was wrong. 

Everybody in Emperors league has ever right to be mad but it is not Plarium that deserves their anger. It is Frenzie and each and everyone of you who shared her account that deserves the leagues anger. Your actions caused this to happen, not Plarium. Plarium offered you a huge gift in allowing troops to be revived at %75 discount. It is much more than any of you who was in on the sharing deserves. 

Sarah Walker said:

Plarium froze frenzies pc for evidence as far as im aware , they must of been in remotely and looked , anyway i dont need to explain to anyone , we all know it happened , inspector moody and your sidekick , do yourselves a favor and keep outa this , there are way too many players willing to quit and are looking for something to smash the offence into 

You on the other hand inform your self how these thing work.

Not everyone on this forum is a complete an utter illiterate in "magic" of IT to believe just about anything you guy make up.

As for the screenshot you all seem to get stuck on the word hacked in that post and do not even bother to read till the end.

[20:39] Sarah Walker: keep sticking your nose into things that dont even concern you and see how long your leagues beacons last 

http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1506455062.png

So you think you will silence people by threats

So when people fail to take your imagined things for grated and question them you resort to violence

http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1506455346.png

I guess i was too optimistic that you may be able to have a discussion.

You should read this article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism

zapelo do you think for a second plarium will admit the flaws in the system ? 

if they say frenzie was hacked then that puts everyone in line to be hacked and will cause panic in the game 

why do you continue to back them up and say we are making this up , do you think we would all just jump leagues and let our fort be smashed to make up a big lie ?

zapelo do you think for a second plarium will admit the flaws in the system ? 

if they say frenzie was hacked then that puts everyone in line to be hacked and will cause panic in the game 

why do you continue to back them up and say we are making this up , do you think we would all just jump leagues and let our fort be smashed to make up a big lie ?

what planet are you on ?

Sarah Walker said:

zapelo do you think for a second plarium will admit the flaws in the system ? 

if they say frenzie was hacked then that puts everyone in line to be hacked and will cause panic in the game 

why do you continue to back them up and say we are making this up , do you think we would all just jump leagues and let our fort be smashed to make up a big lie ?

what planet are you on ?

I never backed them up..... if you go back in older posts you will see that i'm their avid critic almost all time.

But on the other hand you must admit that you are not showing any proof other than a premature CM post.

My logic is if as you say that "her pc that was hacked" it is not Plarium problem. 

As bad as that sounds it is true.

Let me give you an example in three steps

1. You go to a shop and buy a bottle of milk.

2. In front of the shop you put that bottle in the hands of your friend.

3. Your friend drops it on the floor breaks the bottle and spills the milk.

Now do you think the shop will just give you another one?

If you are sure and have proof that someone gained access to the account not trough sharing access. Contact the authorities. Beleve me Whoever will investigate this will ask Plarium for all the data available.

Sarah Walker said:

maybe when something like this happens to you , you may just understand where im coming from , players have lost big amounts of troops here and have done nothing to deserve it , there is no evidence that it was down to account sharing , just accusations from kok players 

I hardly see it happening to me.

Tychi said:

Just for the record DJ why don't you deny you know who did it as you haven't in the last 2 threads I've asked? Have you been avoiding it? I actually thought you had been offline but obviously I was wrong and you just avoiding the Q

I posted a long reply to your last question explaining exactly how and why I have come to the conclusions I have. That doesn't include knowing who did it.

IronApex Turok said:

no proof?   lol. the rebels have access to frenzies account.   dig through the forums... there was a series of account acquisitions that went of when shin left.  a certain "mad" player gained access to an account by obtaining another players account who quit.

unless the posts were deleted, its been covered on the forum  exactly who has access to the frenzie account.   there were once screen shots of emails, and facebook group chats or private chats of some sort about who was using the account posted here.  (Though, a certain biased former moderator may have gone in and cleaned that up for them)

back when plarium cared about alts, folks were quick to post that type of thing.  I thought it was common knowledge who has access to Frenzie and Shin's accounts. 

if you want to figure it out on your own.... look at server 2... find the EMPS names in Lords of the Black Rose... then go back to server 2 and see check the Rebels for Lords of the Black Rose names.......

it should all become clear what happened after you do that. 

Are you willing to support those statements, that are all false, with evedence. 

There was no clean up or anything of sort. If Frenzie account was shared, which if very likely, does these excuse the evidence of vulnerability on Plarium.com. Does it prove that Frenzie was not hacked, something that was proved to have happened. 

Sarah Walker said:

i do hope it happens to you , that way you might just realize what im saying is for all your benefit , you keep your glass half empty , bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself hacking doesnt happen , all them playstation players never got hacked either it will never happen to you no way lol

I'm sorry but you picked the wrong guy to teach about cyber security.

But still thank you for your concern it is much appreciated.

Gadheras said:

Red said:

Sarah Walker said:

Plarium not doing anything about it says they support the hacking , Plarium spent enough time in frenzies pc to trace the hacker , ok they didnt give any troops back , even to the players who are innocent of any wrong doing , but they should at least make an example of the players who did this , by not doing anything tells me i dont want anything to do with a company like that 

I believe Plarium has handled this poorly.  This is a pay to win game and as such, there has to be a trust relationship between them and the players.  Most take for granted their entertainment spending is secure, right up until something like this happens.  That trust has been broken. 

 Plarium says their server is secure, and I have no reason to doubt that is true.  However, their refusal to take action when a crime has been committed on their property renders the security of their server moot.  Players can't backdoor my account through Plarium's server, but they can compromise someone else's account and destroy my units and league assets through criminal acts.  So, what does Plarium's security matter? I lose units to foul play through no fault of my own.  Do I have to perform a security audit on all players on the server to make sure their accounts can't be hijacked and used to do me harm?

I cannot say that those harmed by this are entitled to get everything back.  I can say that it would be good business for Plarium to restore a fair portion of what was lost as a gesture of goodwill.  Pixels cost them very little, losing players can potentially be very expensive.  Foolish decision on their part considering how many are announcing their intention to quit.

Well, foul play come in many shapes and forms. If you look at this thread @ https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/75529_master-and-helper/?post=393934

If you can start order hammer strikes from bot network such as Master. It as well could affect a lot of players. You could yell foul play at Plarium and demand compensation then too, but I doubt that would happen.

You can infiltrate a league and try collect the IP address of its members, then wait until some big player does a strike or send their army some place then start hammer their Ip with a denial of service. Render them not able to use their internet, and catch their units in the open. Also outside Plariums reach to do anything with. Someone with not much knowledge about computers and such might not even know they been "attacked", and think its some random internet issue. Having a good security system and a firewall up is like a must today. Going through my firewall logs I see a lot of questionable stuff that been bounced off. You want a good lock on your house, same should apply with your computer. 

I get Plariums stance, because they would get swamped in reinbursement requests if they start reinburse players for things that happened outside Plariums zone of influence. 

What happened here feels awfull for the involved people that got affected, but if you look at the whole mmo scene as total. Its nothing new ,or even grand, or unique. Its quite common, and nothing more than a drop in the ocean. Does it make it okay? No, it doesn't but its the world we live in.

My VIP rep tells me that every time Master and Helper are reported, they are banned.  They keep popping up again, probably because they have tons of bots, just change the name on one and they're back in business.  Plarium is taking action against these people.  I do not know if they would take action against someone paying for their services.  Plarium didn't specify other than to warn that doing business with them would be a bad idea.  

I play 2 MMOs.  Both MMOs have had incidents that make me decide to stop spending.  I can honestly see their side in the issue, but having been wronged, I also feel a strong desire for justice.  I still play and don't let such incidents drive me from games I enjoy.  I just vote with my wallet instead.