Wy San Luis said:

Tonaya said:

i play 1 bar system,i send troops to die on positions,but i dont finish positions,i leave 1 or few persians alive there,until my bank is full+20% interest,then i go for payout,when i get big payout,i finish all other 1 bar positions and get more troops,but to play 1 bar system you must have a lot troops you can loose,you must be patient and build troops for a long time,or to put money in game and buy troops or revive(that is what plarium wants,to make profit).if you play from 1 hit,you can easy loose all troops and after you dont have enough troops to play any position,and you will delete your account^^

I thought they changed the mechanics of Persians and they said this strategy is no longer working that's why I stopped using it. Can you give me a sample track of your losses and gains? 

plarium said there were a bug,before,and some players who play 1 bar system,got more troops then they should,and thats why they changed pp system.i talked with some players after that,and they said they got double payouts,i didnt see any screenshot from that double payouts,so i dont know about that.

i play 1 bar system,i cant loose all troops with 1 bar system,because i have double more off then my last big payout is,i was patient and builded troops for months.then i see Leonidas post:

https://plarium.com/forum/en/sparta-war-of-empires/entertainment-community/34310_developer-tips-positions/

developers tips...how it is important to finish position before you start next one......

and i play 1 bar system,and i get big payout,with 5,6,...10 burned,opened,unfinished  positions with only 1 or 2 persian alive there?

so i dont claim anything,you play like you think you should.

1 bar system=you cant loose all troops

1 hit system=you can loose all troops

thats it from me,i dont want to argue or to waste my time on forum anymore :)

Tonaya

thank you Tonaya  for the spreadsheet ... have a lot to  catch up there ....will  how will be going ...it's a lot  to asimilate :( 

Kakos said:

Tonaya said:

2.i dont use troops which are not build with resources,because they dont fill the bank(champion troops,heroes are not build with resources,dont send them on pp at all)

3.imperial troops also are not build with resources,i dont use imperial troops for pp at all

I call out ANYONE who claims that Imperial Troops have no value in PPs to either produce proof or keep quite!!

In an adult conversation, one does not make statements without ANY proof or at least without saying "I believe" or "in my own experience".. it's quite arrogant. 

Please, no childish replies like "if you don't believe me, blah blah"..

 
 

Kakos,i dont care what you want or dont want.i think imperial troops have no value on pp,because they are not made with resources,there are no imperial troops in persian calculator,i lost all imperial troops from missions,thinking they have same value as regular troops,i use persian calculator all the time,and i track each troop i use on pp,and i didnt got payout then,until i didnt burn same amount of regular troops,and then i got big payout.also,my pole talk with Abu(ex hob),he said imperial troops have no value on pp,if you dont know who is Abu,look on rankings,here it is:

http://prntscr.com/f03cr7

here is value from calculator for each troop:

http://prntscr.com/f03d75

did you see imperial troop in calculator?

if you read my posts,i argue with Alyona almost a year about that,you can find her answer,that she never claimed imperial troops have same value as regular troops,somewhere above zero,but she is sure that every troops have certain value on pp.....

https://plarium.com/forum/en/sparta-war-of-empires/news-and-announcements/21044_imperial-class-units--now-available-as-part-of-special-offers-and-campaign-missions-/2/

also,i did ask from Alyona,to bring one game developer on forum just to tell us:do imperial troops have same value as regular troops or not.

she ignored that.

so you believe what you want,i wont tell you what to believe.i dont use imperial troops on pp,because i think they dont have any value for bank,because they are not made with resources and pp system calculate troops value by resources,and i am not the only one who dont play pp with imperial troops.

you play how you want,i dont care,i said how i play to player who complain he lost a lot troops and didnt get payout,and i gived him my mail and 10 min ago sended him persian calculator.

i am adult too,maybe you can give us some proof where we can see  imperial troops value?

Tonaya

Tonaya said:

i play 1 bar system,i send troops to die on positions,but i dont finish positions,i leave 1 or few persians alive there,until my bank is full+20% interest,then i go for payout,when i get big payout,i finish all other 1 bar positions and get more troops,but to play 1 bar system you must have a lot troops you can loose,you must be patient and build troops for a long time,or to put money in game and buy troops or revive(that is what plarium wants,to make profit).if you play from 1 hit,you can easy loose all troops and after you dont have enough troops to play any position,and you will delete your account^^

Zsolt Antal said:

key word   probability      ...  what happened that i lost a lot of  troups , time , money ..etc 

Yup. We could say that players are just relying on probability if they're not recording the track of their hits. But you can use a spreadsheet file to keep a record to make it exact. Tonaya is offering you his.

Dracos said:

knigochey said:

Dracos said:

Drag-Theseus said:

Dracos said:

  

Are you after a high bank or doing the PP faster? Using carthage cav and gold shields fills the bank more than pikes would. The position has a lot of cav or heavy inf? Even better since you'll need more to finish it thus filling the bank even more. If you want to clear the positions fast then just send your regular PVP army and you'll get all those juicy PP points with a reduced reward or you can take your time and build the high resource to power point ratio troops and eventually get a large payout. What I've been saying this whole time is that your initial situation was the inability to have enough light inf for PP and PVP thus I offered you a different view, treat PP as a bank and focus on filling it which means not using pikes and thus you have light inf for PVP. Doing that is most efficient in the respective ways of doing PP and PVP.

You misinterpreted my words again, brother. Again: unless we are talking about lvll 50 positions, but rather 150-170, infantry, even combined with Carths is not enough to even hit one position. The bulk of the PP striking force are and will always be  heavy troops: phalanx and heavy horses: Agemas and Macs that we get from earlier payouts. 

Speaking of LI and HI production in comparison, you apparently forgot that while Pikes are weaker, they are much faster to give birth to. every 8m55s vs.  GS every 40m10s. Correspondingly,  on the basic lvl, we produce 500 power in both houses. If we are talking of resources consumption, 1 hour Pikes production gives 9000 vs 8000 GS. Thus, Pikes consume more res then Shields - so they are BETTER fo PP  They only problem - not enough. 

.  And I usually don't do more than 2k PVP points, this is most efficient range plus you don't take too much from PP

Dracos said:

knigochey said:

Dracos said:

Drag-Theseus said:

Dracos said:

  

Are you after a high bank or doing the PP faster? Using carthage cav and gold shields fills the bank more than pikes would. The position has a lot of cav or heavy inf? Even better since you'll need more to finish it thus filling the bank even more. If you want to clear the positions fast then just send your regular PVP army and you'll get all those juicy PP points with a reduced reward or you can take your time and build the high resource to power point ratio troops and eventually get a large payout. What I've been saying this whole time is that your initial situation was the inability to have enough light inf for PP and PVP thus I offered you a different view, treat PP as a bank and focus on filling it which means not using pikes and thus you have light inf for PVP. Doing that is most efficient in the respective ways of doing PP and PVP.

You misinterpreted my words again, brother. Again: unless we are talking about lvll 50 positions, but rather 150-170, infantry, even combined with Carths is not enough to even hit one position. The bulk of the PP striking force are and will always be  heavy troops: phalanx and heavy horses: Agemas and Macs that we get from earlier payouts. 

Speaking of LI and HI production in comparison, you apparently forgot that while Pikes are weaker, they are much faster to give birth to. every 8m55s vs.  GS every 40m10s. Correspondingly,  on the basic lvl, we produce 500 power in both houses. If we are talking of resources consumption, 1 hour Pikes production gives 9000 vs 8000 GS. Thus, Pikes consume more res then Shields - so they are BETTER fo PP  They only problem - not enough. 

.  And I usually don't do more than 2k PVP points, this is most efficient range plus you don't take too much from PP

Drag-Theseus said:

Dracos said:

My suggestion is a solution to your need for PVP and PP. Using carthage cav and golden shields fills bank more than pikes do thus granting a bigger payout. You need to look at PP by resource to power point ratio not simply unit types. Doing what I said gives you more to fill the bank and the needed light infantry for PVP. 

Nice  and maybe sid. pikemans..they are in good in battle against xerxes army because they are light inf. and their value is solid too :)

Anything in the carthage line of troops is seemingly made for PP use exclusively due to their high resource to power point ratio in their respective unit type. However Knigochey was complaing? that you can't build enough light inf for PVP and PP which is simply wrong since pikes don't offer as much bank filling as gold shields and carthage cav so by building those two you can free up the light inf training for PVP and not really have much of a problem with making a PVP and PP army at the same time.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

knigochey said:

Sound like lack of understanding what is going on. :) 

When you are playing more often, at least you have a chance to earn some prizes. You will never build enough troops, unless you are a coiner.  Those who want to play safe, should not do PP at all. The most crashing would be to build an army for years and lose it in instant, especially because of being inexperienced. And how can you become experienced, playing one-2 times a year?  

You mostly build Infantry, right? But they consume more, and not always effective against stronger Units. So why not send them to PPs from time to time to get some Phalanx or Cavalry?

you have to build everything you are able to. Moreover, for PP you need pikes and Golden Shields, but for good PVP, you need javs and swords. That means your barracks work for PP only halftime. Thus, without spending tons of gold, you can only build enough infantry in 6 months to hit 2-3 top positions. That is why you spend everything, any conventional units but those you reserve for raiding as you need to hit many hundreds positions. That is how you participate in tournaments and collect pieces  

Kakos said:

Tonaya said:

 i think imperial troops have no value on pp,

i am adult too,maybe you can give us some proof where we can see  imperial troops value?

.. and I think that now you're getting my point.. I don't have any proof that Imperial Troops have any value in PPs any more that you have any proof that they haven't..

BTW.. if I had a dollar for every time you said you're leaving the forum.. hehe

you would have 5 dollars^^

for me it is enough that imperial troops are not made with resources+they are not in persian calculator+abu said that+i lost all my imps from missions,thinking they have same value,that is why i dont use them anymore.i have 25k regular promachos,its double then my bank is and its enough to play persians with.

you play like you want,i am not telling you how to play,you are not low lvl player,all i wanted is to help that Antal who lost his troops and ask for help here on forum,so i told him how i play and sended him calculator.

i didnt say i'm leaving forum,i dont like to argue,and i wont argue anymore with anyone :)

have fun

Mullenz said:

Dracos said:

knigochey said:

Dracos said:

Drag-Theseus said:

Dracos said:

  

Are you after a high bank or doing the PP faster? Using carthage cav and gold shields fills the bank more than pikes would. The position has a lot of cav or heavy inf? Even better since you'll need more to finish it thus filling the bank even more. If you want to clear the positions fast then just send your regular PVP army and you'll get all those juicy PP points with a reduced reward or you can take your time and build the high resource to power point ratio troops and eventually get a large payout. What I've been saying this whole time is that your initial situation was the inability to have enough light inf for PP and PVP thus I offered you a different view, treat PP as a bank and focus on filling it which means not using pikes and thus you have light inf for PVP. Doing that is most efficient in the respective ways of doing PP and PVP.

You misinterpreted my words again, brother. Again: unless we are talking about lvll 50 positions, but rather 150-170, infantry, even combined with Carths is not enough to even hit one position. The bulk of the PP striking force are and will always be  heavy troops: phalanx and heavy horses: Agemas and Macs that we get from earlier payouts. 

Speaking of LI and HI production in comparison, you apparently forgot that while Pikes are weaker, they are much faster to give birth to. every 8m55s vs.  GS every 40m10s. Correspondingly,  on the basic lvl, we produce 500 power in both houses. If we are talking of resources consumption, 1 hour Pikes production gives 9000 vs 8000 GS. Thus, Pikes consume more res then Shields - so they are BETTER fo PP  They only problem - not enough. 

.  And I usually don't do more than 2k PVP points, this is most efficient range plus you don't take too much from PP

My point is simple, I do admit that GS is worse than Pikes for bank filling as I just did the ratio but carthage cav is better than pikes. Somewhere throughout this page Knigochey was talking about not having enough lights for PVP and PP to which I suggested not building pikes and instead the more expensive carthage units. By building carthage cav then you can build javs/swords for PVP. I understand that higher up in PP you will face more phalanx and cav units but PP isn't something you go about killing a position or two every day once you get up high unless you spend or you want to use your regular army. For the purpose of getting a larger bank using carthage cav will always be the best choice. Obviously if you want to just kill the position faster then you build pikes or Gs or even swords since they give the most bang for your buck but then the payouts won't be as good as they could be.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

knigochey said:

Sound like lack of understanding what is going on. :) 

When you are playing more often, at least you have a chance to earn some prizes. You will never build enough troops, unless you are a coiner.  Those who want to play safe, should not do PP at all. The most crashing would be to build an army for years and lose it in instant, especially because of being inexperienced. And how can you become experienced, playing one-2 times a year?  

You mostly build Infantry, right? But they consume more, and not always effective against stronger Units. So why not send them to PPs from time to time to get some Phalanx or Cavalry?

you have to build everything you are able to. Moreover, for PP you need pikes and Golden Shields, but for good PVP, you need javs and swords. That means your barracks work for PP only halftime. Thus, without spending tons of gold, you can only build enough infantry in 6 months to hit 2-3 top positions. That is why you spend everything, any conventional units but those you reserve for raiding as you need to hit many hundreds positions. That is how you participate in tournaments and collect pieces  

I'm  the only one wich thinks that those positions are rigged  that us  normal players to invest  more and more money  ?  

After i lost 120 agema  ,200 macedonians  ,250 imperial prom , 60 imperial horsmen  ..and a lot of other offensive troups i only recived like half i lost in the next days ..and had to spend  drachmas to revive my army  :( 

IOANNIS TSIAMANTANIS said:

Mullenz said:

Believe me, nobody knows better than I what Kniochey was talking about. It was in response to the assertion that infantry nad Carth is what you need for PP. Speaking of Carths, I love them, but you cannot receive them as a payout - only to build. So, 35 a day, 1050 a month. and that is if you do not build other horses. Unless you play once 6 months, you cannot seriously rely on Carth. But you do use as many of them as you can, plus all pikes and shields you only can build

In which Server you train 35/day or 1050/month C.Horseman ?

(Sparta.com) With Max level training  speed at Academy and  Amphitheater i can train only  533/month or 21/day.

I have no idea about my server.

Here is a screen: 40mins per a baby carth. And I am only 16% in Amphitheater 

http://prntscr.com/fdzb1j

also  with  a  very good calculator     you can use your small winnings    and most of the time   if done right   it will add up to your  10% payback.       that is   a trick  to allow you to play  everyday...  

https://gyazo.com/16dbefcd67d5d470b24bca4798fbe563

I play a lot.   this from this week  alone.

https://gyazo.com/cc845fbbeb5f562a9cbed79a642d8b47

https://gyazo.com/8a7075f6b761a90aa9ef90d4fffeb942

IOANNIS TSIAMANTANIS said:

knigochey said:

IOANNIS TSIAMANTANIS said:

Mullenz said:

Believe me, nobody knows better than I what Kniochey was talking about. It was in response to the assertion that infantry nad Carth is what you need for PP. Speaking of Carths, I love them, but you cannot receive them as a payout - only to build. So, 35 a day, 1050 a month. and that is if you do not build other horses. Unless you play once 6 months, you cannot seriously rely on Carth. But you do use as many of them as you can, plus all pikes and shields you only can build

In which Server you train 35/day or 1050/month C.Horseman ?

(Sparta.com) With Max level training  speed at Academy and  Amphitheater i can train only  533/month or 21/day.

I have no idea about my server.

Here is a screen: 40mins per a baby carth. And I am only 16% in Amphitheater 

http://prntscr.com/fdzb1j

This "40.5" on the ScreenShot is MI/H => MIles Per Hour => Unit Speed not  Production Time

http://prntscr.com/fe198b

Yes, you are right. But that even proves the point was made: Carths and infantry are not enough to play PP on high levels