Kakos said:

Rix,

My original 228k was wrong, the actual total is:

4 Macks @ 19000 res per = 76 000 + 24 M. Pelts @ 7 500 res per = 180 000 + 17 205 res = grand total of 273 205.

My question was not a leading one at all.. you said: " If you can remove the mindset of basing Persians on troop strength and replace you entire thought process on Persian positions with strictly resources than you will get the big picture."

I have challenged that -as I have done in the past- because no one has EVER produced ANY proof or even a compelling argument that the bank is based solely on resources! Lots of theorycrafting and speculations but no actual figures to back up any of it.

So I have used the numbers you supplied to try and demonstrate that maybe the bank is not just about resources.

.. and btw.. you DID say "Criticism is always welcome :)"..

Rob May,

you said "resource method is widely accepted among players for years, across all plarium games not only Sparta."

But that is the point I am trying to make here.. because something is "widely accepted" doesn't mean we should not at least TRY and see how it actually works, if we are interested about it!

Regarding " IF its stats based then non upgraded units would yield smaller payouts and losses, and 50% boost and maxed out troops would be yielding high profits, maybe doubling army every 2-3days? "

I cant really see why you say that.. my numbers show just a modest + ~20% interest on BHP used, nothing really spectacular and I haven't said anything about using non upgraded units.

As a matter of fact, IF the idea with PPs is that you pay the bank with just resources and the faster the better, then one should use ONLY non upgraded units.. a ridiculous proposition IMHO.

Finally, I also welcome constructive criticism!

1) The Persian calculators I use offered on an online website are off then.  Care to share a link in private of a good one?

2)  Basing off of a resource payout for me is MUCH easier for me personally but PM me your formula and I will try it.

3) Of course criticism is welcome! I have not problems with our exchange, I just felt your initial question was leading rather than just letting me know that you object to the resource method you asked me for a reason to shoot it down.  (that's how I felt and of course may be wrong) Just be upfront.

4) Absolutely positively use Pikeman, Golden shield and Cart ponies (macs are good too)  Level 1.  Uswe up more resources to get the payout in fewer postions

I am always seeking truth so PM me any info you may have for me to try, especially your troop calculator since mine seems to be erroneous lol

Thank you for your insight and time, it is much appreciated

I know I over compensated on the Archers because I was experimenting with seeing if there were separate banks. 

and for my initial loan:

24 Mounted Pelts = 124,800

4 Macs = 60,800

Resources= 17,205

Total warehouse 202,805  I'm an auto mechanic not a scientist or engineer so let's say 203k.

Now maybe my resource calculators are wrong but I'm using that Spartan blogspot one?

Lets break it down. 

Here is bank loan of 202,805

So now I need to pay back 203,000 back in resources for my next payout which I calculated at killing off 650 Numidon Archers.  So now I will knock down enough positions down to 1 bar in the level 11-20 range without finishing them to cover the loan. 

Ok I have officially paid back the LOAN!!!  650ish Numidon Archers killed to cover the 203k resources borrowed and now I want offensive troops for the next loan so I will finish off with an offensive position. 

What the hell? Where is my payout?  Let's try another offensive position:

OK now I am getting pissed!!  Where is my bank loan????????????????? 

Wait a second... let me go back and finish one of the defensive positions I knocked down to 1 bar....

BINGO!!!!! There is my new loan!!! 231k in resources.

Proof that offense and defense banks are separate.  Criticism is always welcome :)

ThatBloke said:

Proof from experiments have now made clear there are separate banks.

Ok, so the new implemented reward system is such a minor change, that Plarium didn't think we needed the info about it??

The real proof is just that Plarium is trying to squeeze as much real money from ppl, now needing to revive their lost armies trying to get them back...

Some advice needed, at the moment im grinding up positions getting the payout on quest. My questions:

1 Is it viable to just level up and do the quest and not go for a big payout. Not going for a big payout gives more smaller ones and u keep advancing faster. So u have steady income of units. Or is the big payout so beneficial that its smarter to stop and go for big payout.

2 How do u set up your payout, do u 1 bar the 5-6 highest levels or is it beneficial to attack like 30 lower level ones maybe getting more units. Not sure what the best way is. Not sure if alot of lower levels add up to be maybe more then a few higher ones.

3 After a big payout what do u do, do u keep advancing or do u try to kill off as many lower levels ones to also get some units there. And then move forward. thank you