Gorgo said:

you dont see the point do you ? i said that if he wouldnt expose this ISSUE you would kept lying that all is fine even if small payouts are now smaller...dont tell me that you had in plan to tell us that you lowered mini-partials ? you just had to now cover your butts cause someone had enough of lying and we are all glad that someone stepped forward and say that outloud...otherwise would be ill qoute:

"hello did you change persians ? 

NO archon no changes were made"

am i wrong ? this happened before..

We'll tell you if a major change takes place. This change was minor, but there was a major bug involved, so we're telling people about it.

It's a bit of a problem if somebody is spreading the wrong idea. Do you really hate us for trying to clarify the matter?

I'm pretty sure that particular exchange of words hasn't happened before. Like I said before, we'll let you know if there has been a major change worth mentioning.

You are correct.  We have adapted to the partial payouts since the last change and to see players who have been working for days, weeks months even to slowly chip away at a level 100+ position get rewarded with 100 swordsman is a slap in the face.  I can see why player's are rather upset.

ArchEtos said:

You are correct.  We have adapted to the partial payouts since the last change and to see players who have been working for days, weeks months even to slowly chip away at a level 100+ position get rewarded with 100 swordsman is a slap in the face.  I can see why player's are rather upset.

The 100 swordsmen payout is a bug related to old positions. New positions are working as intended. If you got 500 phalanx units before the update, expect to get 450 afterwards.

Hundigo said:

I need to do + -  30  persian positions to have my big pay -out.  I also need the partial pay-outs to be able to continue with the PP's. And these big pay - outs it's not that I gain thousands and thousands on surplus then what I needed to finish them. 

If we use your example; 

 500 ( partial pay - out) X 30 = 15.000 units. 

450 ( partial pay -out minus +- 10% )  X 30 = 13.500 units.  I'm supposed to build these 1500 also now ?   

You aren't withdrawing those 1500 units so you don't need to redeposit them. Instead of needing to do +/- 30 positions, you can do +/- 27. That's not a problem the change is creating.

The real problem it's trying to solve is this sort of situation.

A player weakens 23 level 125 positions to 1 bar to the point where a swordsman or javelineer could finish them. He collects the big payout by finishing the 24th level 125 position. Bam, more units than he ever wanted, but that's not all. He then finishes the other positions to collect 23 partial payouts, but since they're level 125, they're pretty big in their own right. The bank goes into the negatives by a couple hundred million.

The numbers turned out that only a few players managed to do this sort of thing, but it got to a point where this strategy was severely overpowered.

Even with the recent nerf, the strategy still works, but slightly less so.

Hundigo said:

Well I have indeed some questions about it.  You can read the posts I've placed already on this thread about it.   And there's also a link in one of my post that I pointed out the problem before your topic. 

Please refrain from posting unrelated comments. 

a) if players could manage to have 24 lvl 125 positions all at the same time, it would be verry unuasal at all. So if that would be the problem, the game could solve that problem to restrict the numbers of the same lvl positions you can have at the same time. 

Thank you for this suggestion, Archon. I don't think that players would be happy to see that they don't get the Persian Positions of high levels, also that would not resolve the issue.

b) to reduce the partial pay - out by 10% doesn't mean that the next persian positions are 10% less strong. So how we have to manage that ? After all we had to addapt that new system in the game. . 

This mean that the rest of your reward will be received with the big payout. You may use your usual strategy for the Persian Positions in order to destroy them. You should just remember that your rewards depend on your losses. 

2) a lot of players in the game (including my members in the coalition ) learned to work with the 1 bar method. In several threads here on this forum it's mentioned as a prooved method about the persian positions. It's even more, when players came up here on this forum with complains about the persian positions, the previous administrator Basileus recommanded the blog that explained verry clear that the 1 bar method is the only method to be guaranteed of the big pay-out. So what about the forumusers that actually looked on the forum to learn about the game ?   

As I already said, you may use your usual strategies. 

3) on general, it's not that players do the PP's at one shot to bring them down to 1 bar. Actually they build troops for it every day and that for days, weeks and even months. Everytime they log in , they send their fresh trained troops to the PP's , till at the point they are at 1 bar. What about them now ? 

Your future mini payouts on Persian Positions will be as good as before.

and I have just now send a ticket to gamesupport about the persian positions. You better check that one also. And you are an administrator so you can check the acts from my account also about the persian positions. So answer me correctly and explain how this can happen ?  

I'm Community Manager and I can't answer on your tickets, Archon. Support team will check your issue and give you a reply.

and don't come up with the answer that I have to continue that I shall have my big pay - out again . I play 14 months this game. I just had to attack with all the troops that i had build up / gained in the game with the quests and is not enough to continue on new fresh persian positions like you mentioned in this topic. To make it clear, what you gain from the persians positions is not enough to clear them again out.  I ended up from 26.000 units 3 weeks ago to 2900+ units now. And I still have doesn't have my big pay-out again . That's the new update we had in reality. I'm not feeling responsible to revive units for it what I self have build or gained by the quests. 

Archon, there are a ot of strategies for Persian Positions from experienced players. However, if you don't want to risk your Troops, you may use enjoy different game aspects. 

and get that other administrator that only can write chronicles related to Lost Souls coalition out of here. There are much more coalitions in the game then only Lost Souls. An administrator that only writes topics about Lost Souls coalition, asks other forumusers to respond on it and he self never comes back to that topic.It was also me that had to explain the violations that administrator of Plarium Games used all the time on the forum before it would ever stop. 

Administrators do not write these articles, Archon. If you want to write such a text about different Coalition, I would be glad to see it. 

The 23 remaining positions don't have to be level 125. Anything above level 100 would give similar results, but level 125 would give the best results. 

You don't need to weaken them all at the same time. You can weaken a few, collect a big payout elsewhere, and save them for when you need to finish them.

With all changes, adapt accordingly. Tweak your old strategy and loading patterns a little bit to accommodate the change.

I moved my city. Now all of the cities on my enemies list are a long way away. Is there any way to generate a new enemies list?

Hundigo said:

@ the administrator  ,

I still didn't had my answer from gamesupport about the issue. I wrote another one today, after all it's far more then the 24 hours timeframe . 

#COS-150-24261

So at least you can do is tell gamesupport that they have to answer the players when they have send out a ticket to them. 

There is no need to create several tickets regarding the same question. It may only slow the process. If you sent a request to Support team, they will definitely reply you. However, since at this moment they are receiving  higher volumes than usual, their response may be given with a delay.

1) No administrator will answer you here, so you're losing your time (and ours) writing "let the administrators answer".

If this is really what you would like, then just open ONE ticket and wait for the answer : there, and only there, an administrator will answer you, and you don't need (and moreover, WE don't need you) to pollute this forum if you wish to talk with administrators, so please don't post anything here and get your problem solved with them using the support center. Thank you.

2) Technically speaking, full payouts values are only depending on the level from which you get it.

Many people think they will get something related to their investment, but it's not the case. Every level has a minimum and maximum reward values, and your full payout will be taken between these two limits (I have a full reference table).

As such, the fact partial payouts have been cut down to 1/10th of the values we got previously is quite a problem. It's untrue to tell you'll get the difference later when you'll get the full payout, as it won't actually change anything, so count carefully, so you conclude on a level high enough to give you something worthy.

Of course, it's also false to tell you'll get partial payouts as previously : they're now ridiculously low, period. So only the full payouts are worthy (fortunately, they are). But it's true you'll get full payouts as previously (but they won't be higher because the partials are lower).

3) What has really changed is the total payouts will be smaller, so your next banks to pay back will be lower, which can be a good news, especially for people who were used to chip positions down to 1 bar, as partial payouts are now almost negligible, so finishing positions or not won't change much now (in short, do as you want).

HUNDIGO

dont expoect answer, i wait weeks and no answer, me didnt count more and dont answer especialy if u give him criticks.

plarium is now in panic, lose maybe 80% from players, u can open and see his rating how fall for 1 month, and empty big lvl cityes around u.

i say one, and will told again, that players make plarium on top game, and with his leaving, like boumerang will return to plarium, he we fall and stay only few players, 

LOL

I don't have any information about losing players or not... Who can know that ? Of course, some of my friends from the start are now gone. I'd say about 20% of them, but there were lots of reasons for this, including diseases, boredom, or any other personal, family or professional reasons.

Anyway, it's well known they do take several days to answer you, as they have to process requests in order, and they do'nt during week ends, so, the same way you do with banks, you have to consider Saturdays and Sundays as not existing and evaluate delays in business days only. :)

Now, this can lead to interesting thoughts.

If they were really losing a lot of players, then they should obsviously end up having less requests to process, and you seem to think it's not the case, so there's a contradiction here, isn't there ? ;)

The the other thought is about how Hundigo is using support requests. From what everybody is saying, he's litterally spamming them dozens of times for every question, which in turn leads to much more requests to process.

In other words, Hundigo alone is making the whole users support much slower than it should be for everybody. :p

So if you want to know why the hell they're taking so much time to answer, then the answer to this question is quite obvious : it's "Hundigo". ^^

Apparently, and from his own words, he deliberately does this on purpose to harm them. All he would have to do is to stop doing this, so we get at least a normal support service...

thatbloke

to open your eyes. 

1. all pools what u open is from inactive players how i know u write that,

alsou can see around a lot empty city, we make mission siege and raid big lvl, i must raid bigger than 71, so have a lot

3. u can open alexa.com, there is showing rating on all sites, u will see like water how u fall for only 30 days.

and at last why before with 15 k u cant enter in top 500, now with 5 k u are in top 500? i played this single pvp, and with low points im between 1000 players, so if have milions, where is it???

Actually, all the pools were the former locations of abandonned cities under level 3.

Lots of slightly higher level ones are still around my location, and some of them I've seen active only for a couple of days. I know perfectly, because of course these were my very first farms when I started playing. ;)

Lots of people subscribe because there were led here by the ads you can see everywhere (espacially on news feeds) and didn't even stay more than a few hours, sometimes even minutes... :p

Of course, there are around 5 times as many that were levelled up a bit more (up to around level 8-10, sometimes level 20 or a bit higher), which means they've been playing for a  few days to a couple of weeks, then they left.

I know there are also high level players who left, but they're much less in numbers, I generally know them personally (through the game, of course), and  none of their locations have of course been changed into relocation pools... Because they're my farms now, so I should know ! ;) LOL

thatbloke

good explanation, but still didnt told nothing for alexa.com, where your rating is like a snow, fall from 217 to almost 1000. in world numbers, that is a lot players, 

and i know a lot players who left from game even he was big lvl, and never return. 

how u say, have some who play week, or only 5min open acc. so plarium must be happy to have us like players, to be online long time, and play, not to attack us. because and we if leave ...

i dont hide, i was 2 time baned, 1 time for reaction about PA, with 30 pa i lost 41 champ, who is more expencive than pa, and second time for fake??? i was in top 10 players and he baned me like im fake. then send me zyka, your coalition and start war , i alone agains all zyka.

all after losing army left, but we Macedonians is stubborn, and i will be under siege but will not give pleasure to say for me he left.

and u also block my messenger forewer...i treat to players. so if this is war game, treat is also strategic. i send warning to dont catch me, if again make same i attack, so what is wrong here, and on bomb to sadam husein, americans write fuk u sadam, and he was kicked?

cmon, u defend buyers always, i all bans have only from report from buyers who lost, and becaus eim not buyer all time under ban or block, 

be a little fair in all, and open alexa.com, u will see or u like to post u here screen from alexa, or my result on pvp, with few points in 1000 players, where is that milions players???

Unfortunately, with that Russian guy covering the map with scripted cities... Some of the millions may be just one ! :D LOL

that bloke, i know a lot empty i dont like to say his name, and he was so good cityes with all lvl 5 fort, when he left, what to say for other, 

i fight a lot and every pvp i take points from, LUNA, LUCKY, JBIRD, SPARTA, ADELINEM, CHON, TUT SOUSA, KHAN....... have a lot, now all is my farm or we raid him for make mission raid big city

and that mission is such a poor, to make 500 points for 1 k ress and 10 swordsman, or attack emporia for 2 agema, when all know now in emporia u will lost minimumm 5 agema, if have only few jav.