Aleksandra Miroshyna said:

Archons, I encourage you to share your knowledge 

Watch what you wish for, can we share the facebook post that the moderator posted, the real truth behind the persian positions or will it be deleted?

Aleksandra Miroshyna said:

Archons, I encourage you to share your knowledge 

Watch what you wish for, can we share the facebook post that the moderator posted, the real truth behind the persian positions or will it be deleted?

EDIT: although you hide things from players, you are still see-through. This game lacks honesty from administrators side.

I am assuming the positions are going back to the old system.  Only one position will yield your loan and then you calculate exactly how many resources you borrowed and need to kill off more positions equaling in resources that last loan.

Watch what you wish for, can we share the facebook post that the moderator posted, the real truth behind the persian positions or will it be deleted?

EDIT: although you hide things from players, you are still see-through. This game lacks honesty from administrators side.

TheElitePhantom said:

A 10% reduction for a specific circumstance could have easily been a hotfix (gone on unannounced; after all, no one would care if upgrading the acropolis took 5 minutes longer than before for each level, or if agreement research speeds got slightly buffed) if everything went as intended.

and that just proves our point THAT Paylarium is changing things without telling us that they do, meaning like others mentioned before me that they are dishonest and untrustworthy. If that moderator (thank the gods it was) wasnt sick of you lying to payers,  you would NEVER admit it is something wrong you would keep bullshitting that all is fine, instead he screwed you big time and now you need to drag your butt out of it

Aleksandra Miroshyna said:

Gorgo said

ill give a reward for the archon that can decypher that or Alexandras msg

If you have any questions, Archon, I'll be glad to help.

lets start by why decreasing mini-payouts. I thought they were there, cause players wanted something small to return that is why we were told original persians were changed in the first place. so why change that after 1 year...are we slowly getting back to no more mini payouts ?

You are correct.  We have adapted to the partial payouts since the last change and to see players who have been working for days, weeks months even to slowly chip away at a level 100+ position get rewarded with 100 swordsman is a slap in the face.  I can see why player's are rather upset.

ArchEtos said:

You are correct.  We have adapted to the partial payouts since the last change and to see players who have been working for days, weeks months even to slowly chip away at a level 100+ position get rewarded with 100 swordsman is a slap in the face.  I can see why player's are rather upset.

The 100 swordsmen payout is a bug related to old positions. New positions are working as intended. If you got 500 phalanx units before the update, expect to get 450 afterwards.

1)  Moderator TheElitePhanteom wrote that there were players that managed to have 24 lvl 125 persian positions at the same time and that causes the problem. So the problem occured that players finished 23 PP's at 1 bar, and then finished that 24. And they had made it possible to finish the other 23 with a verry small amount of troops, so they had also a partial pay-out at that moment. What moderator TheElitePhanteom doesn't mention at all, that these players had to use first a big amount of troops for it to bring them to that low bar.

So reducing to be able to have 24 lvl125 at the same time  or make it not possible to have 24   lvl 125  persian positions at all, that is the solution for it. It doesn't mean that players can't have high lvl positions anymore. They can't have the highest lvl's all at the same time anymore. 

2) We had to addapt the new strategie of the persian positions. And the new strategie is/was that you get partial pay-outs also now. That also means we had a new strategie about the persian positions. Reducing the partial pay-outs and then tell that your big pay-out stays intact, doesn't mean a solution for the players at all that addapted the new method at that time. 

If I need 2.000 promachos to be able to finish a lvl persian position. And my partial pay-out was 1.000 promachos. Then I used the strategie: doing 2 PP's, and I can finish the third one with what I gained back as partial pay-out from the two previous ones. Reducing the partial pay-outs , that also means I can not finish that third one because my partial pay-out isn't enough anymore. Because I still need 2.000 promachos for it and I gained not 2.000 back in my partial pay-outs but only 1.800 back. So to continue I have to build these 200 promachos first. Or I can't continue the game. That's 2 weeks building time. If I calculate the time between 2 big pay-outs what it normally is for me, that's 4 months extra building time. 

So the losses stays the same even for the PP's between the big pay-out. But the reward isn't, even I had the same amount of losses as before. And telling now that they are now in the next big pay-out and not in the partial pay-outs anymore, doesn't solve the problem for the players. Because now it's not possible to reach that next big pay-out with an extra 4 months building time.  Plarium Games hopes probably that players would revive their units instead of building them ? So with the new mechanisme , you trow players back for 1/3 of their playing time. 

3) Strange point here you mentioned here. Players did that 1 bar method to destroy the PP's. So even the players that had 24 lvl 125 persian positions.  You answered at the start of your post that my suggestion wouldn't be a solution for the players.  The same strategie can stay, you say now. There is even not any reason to solve the issue of having 24 lvl 125 persian positions. So if the 1 bar method can stay and for Plarium Games not a reason to restrict the amount of same high lvl positions you can have at the same time. Then why you had to reduce the partial pay-outs in the first place ? it will only slow them down for a few months. Or when they revive their troops for it, it doesn't slow them not at all. Because their big pay-out shall contain more troops then they had before. Because it's based on the losses, well the losses stays the same of course. So at the end, they must receive more troops as big pay-out then what they had before as big pay-out. 

4) Let Gamesupport answer my ticket. I don't ask you to answer it. But as administrator you can check what my point is in there. You told self that the pay-out is based on your losses. I already wrote it before. I had members that lossed ALL their troops at the PP's . So they came to a point that they didn't had any troops anymore left. They still hadn't their big pay-out. They simply can't reach it anymore. And many of them quit the game. 

I have the same issue now; my big pay-out was +-11.000 promachos or +-5.000 agema's. My losses now are way much over these numbers. I'm about 60% over these numbers now already. So now I came also to a point where I can't continue in the game  anymore. Because I don't get my normall pay-out wich I should had it already. So how much you actually have to loose ? When players already come to a point where there lossed ALL their army = big pay-out they had for it + all the partial pay-outs + all the troops they had build self already in the game + all the troops they had gained from quests they did. 

The whole bank system of the persian positions is actually something real fake. There is none that really can confirm it. I asked in that ticket I have send to gamesupport also, tell me now how much troops I still have to use to have my big pay-out.  My big pay-out must be so overwelming now, because I lost almost all my army for it. My losses now are way much more then the big pay-out I get normall. 

Hundigo said:

Well I have indeed some questions about it.  You can read the posts I've placed already on this thread about it.   And there's also a link in one of my post that I pointed out the problem before your topic. 

Please refrain from posting unrelated comments. 

a) if players could manage to have 24 lvl 125 positions all at the same time, it would be verry unuasal at all. So if that would be the problem, the game could solve that problem to restrict the numbers of the same lvl positions you can have at the same time. 

Thank you for this suggestion, Archon. I don't think that players would be happy to see that they don't get the Persian Positions of high levels, also that would not resolve the issue.

b) to reduce the partial pay - out by 10% doesn't mean that the next persian positions are 10% less strong. So how we have to manage that ? After all we had to addapt that new system in the game. . 

This mean that the rest of your reward will be received with the big payout. You may use your usual strategy for the Persian Positions in order to destroy them. You should just remember that your rewards depend on your losses. 

2) a lot of players in the game (including my members in the coalition ) learned to work with the 1 bar method. In several threads here on this forum it's mentioned as a prooved method about the persian positions. It's even more, when players came up here on this forum with complains about the persian positions, the previous administrator Basileus recommanded the blog that explained verry clear that the 1 bar method is the only method to be guaranteed of the big pay-out. So what about the forumusers that actually looked on the forum to learn about the game ?   

As I already said, you may use your usual strategies. 

3) on general, it's not that players do the PP's at one shot to bring them down to 1 bar. Actually they build troops for it every day and that for days, weeks and even months. Everytime they log in , they send their fresh trained troops to the PP's , till at the point they are at 1 bar. What about them now ? 

Your future mini payouts on Persian Positions will be as good as before.

and I have just now send a ticket to gamesupport about the persian positions. You better check that one also. And you are an administrator so you can check the acts from my account also about the persian positions. So answer me correctly and explain how this can happen ?  

I'm Community Manager and I can't answer on your tickets, Archon. Support team will check your issue and give you a reply.

and don't come up with the answer that I have to continue that I shall have my big pay - out again . I play 14 months this game. I just had to attack with all the troops that i had build up / gained in the game with the quests and is not enough to continue on new fresh persian positions like you mentioned in this topic. To make it clear, what you gain from the persians positions is not enough to clear them again out.  I ended up from 26.000 units 3 weeks ago to 2900+ units now. And I still have doesn't have my big pay-out again . That's the new update we had in reality. I'm not feeling responsible to revive units for it what I self have build or gained by the quests. 

Archon, there are a ot of strategies for Persian Positions from experienced players. However, if you don't want to risk your Troops, you may use enjoy different game aspects. 

and get that other administrator that only can write chronicles related to Lost Souls coalition out of here. There are much more coalitions in the game then only Lost Souls. An administrator that only writes topics about Lost Souls coalition, asks other forumusers to respond on it and he self never comes back to that topic.It was also me that had to explain the violations that administrator of Plarium Games used all the time on the forum before it would ever stop. 

Administrators do not write these articles, Archon. If you want to write such a text about different Coalition, I would be glad to see it. 

if you administrator not  gonna be able to solve that problem, you gonna end up that the game shall never be allowed on every European server. It was for the first time already on the European table at friday the 29 janauri behind close doors. They still continue to monitor this game. Your moderators and administrator Basileus knew about these facts, I had placed it also on this forum. 

And ones the decision is made by the European parlement, then the verdict will also be that way . And then of course Plarium Games shall react on it. When it's too late 

That of course is to the previlege to be a lawyer also 

Edit I ;

your moderators and specially TheElitePhanteom and moderator ThatBloke laughed with my post and insulted me all the thime with it  But I don't laugh at all. So let's have it. Be correct Plarium Games or face the consequences to be wipped out on every European Server 

Hundigo said:

@ the administrator  ,

I still didn't had my answer from gamesupport about the issue. I wrote another one today, after all it's far more then the 24 hours timeframe . 

#COS-150-24261

So at least you can do is tell gamesupport that they have to answer the players when they have send out a ticket to them. 

There is no need to create several tickets regarding the same question. It may only slow the process. If you sent a request to Support team, they will definitely reply you. However, since at this moment they are receiving  higher volumes than usual, their response may be given with a delay.

Aleksandra Miroshyna said:

The real truth behind Position has been posted here, Archon. If you have any questions regarding this matter, I'll be glad to answer on them.

Well I have indeed some questions about it.  You can read the posts I've placed already on this thread about it.   And there's also a link in one of my post that I pointed out the problem before your topic. 

1)  The answer from moderator TheElitePhanteom I don't accept as be correct. 

a) if players could manage to have 24 lvl 125 positions all at the same time, it would be verry unuasal at all. So if that would be the problem, the game could solve that problem to restrict the numbers of the same lvl positions you can have at the same time. 

b) to reduce the partial pay - out by 10% doesn't mean that the next persian positions are 10% less strong. So how we have to manage that ? After all we had to addapt that new system in the game. . 

2)  a lot of players in the game (including my members in the coalition ) learned to work with the 1 bar method. In several threads here on this forum it's mentioned as a prooved method about the persian positions. It's even more, when players came up here on this forum with complains about the persian positions, the previous administrator Basileus recommanded the blog that explained verry clear that the 1 bar method is the only method to be guaranteed of the big pay-out. So what about the forumusers that actually looked on the forum to learn about the game ?   

3) on general, it's not that players do the PP's at one shot to bring them down to 1 bar. Actually they build troops for it every day and that for days, weeks and even months. Everytime they log in , they send their fresh trained troops to the PP's , till at the point they are at 1 bar. What about them now ? 

EDIT I;

and I have just now send a ticket to gamesupport about the persian positions. You better check that one also. And you are an administrator so you can check the acts from my account also about the persian positions.   So answer me correctly and explain how this can happen ?  

The result shall be that I take 100 members and about 200 other players to another game.

EDIT II;

#XHJ-797-21238   that's the ticket number . 

EDIT III;

and don't come up with the answer that I have to continue that I shall have my big pay - out again . I play 14 months this game. I just had to attack with all the troops that i had build up  / gained in the game with the quests and is not enough to continue on new fresh persian positions like you mentioned in this topic. To make it clear, what you gain from the persians positions is not enough to clear them again out. 

I ended up from 26.000 units 3 weeks ago  to 2900+ units now. And I still have doesn't have my big pay-out again .   That's the new update we had in reality. I'm not feeling responsible to revive units for it what I self have build or gained by the quests. 

EDIT IV; and get that other administrator that only can write chronicles related to Lost Souls coalition out of here. There are much more coalitions in the game then only Lost Souls. An administrator that only writes topics about Lost Souls coalition, asks other forumusers to respond on it and he self never comes back to that topic.It was also me that had to explain the violations that administrator of Plarium Games used all the time on the forum before it would ever stop. 

first point ; By my knowledge you don't get 24 positions at lvl 125 all at the same time. 

Second point; now you tell that for my example I didn't withdrawing these 1500 unit's so I don't have to redeposit them. ....   So then the change is even worser, you end up with less troops 

    And there's a different with finishing PP's and the troops you need for it and the pay-out. So when you reduced the partial pay -out with 10%, it doesn't mean or is equal that I need minus 10% troops for it to finish them. So my example can stay, because I shall end up that if I wish to continue with the PP's that I shall have to build first the troops for it that I gained less back in the actual partial pay-outs. Because I would still need these troops first or I shall not be able to finish them all. 

Hundigo said:

I need to do + -  30  persian positions to have my big pay -out.  I also need the partial pay-outs to be able to continue with the PP's. And these big pay - outs it's not that I gain thousands and thousands on surplus then what I needed to finish them. 

If we use your example; 

 500 ( partial pay - out) X 30 = 15.000 units. 

450 ( partial pay -out minus +- 10% )  X 30 = 13.500 units.  I'm supposed to build these 1500 also now ?   

You aren't withdrawing those 1500 units so you don't need to redeposit them. Instead of needing to do +/- 30 positions, you can do +/- 27. That's not a problem the change is creating.

The real problem it's trying to solve is this sort of situation.

A player weakens 23 level 125 positions to 1 bar to the point where a swordsman or javelineer could finish them. He collects the big payout by finishing the 24th level 125 position. Bam, more units than he ever wanted, but that's not all. He then finishes the other positions to collect 23 partial payouts, but since they're level 125, they're pretty big in their own right. The bank goes into the negatives by a couple hundred million.

The numbers turned out that only a few players managed to do this sort of thing, but it got to a point where this strategy was severely overpowered.

Even with the recent nerf, the strategy still works, but slightly less so.

If you do the math, you can figure it out for yourself also.

I need to do + -  30  persian positions to have my big pay -out.  I also need the partial pay-outs to be able to continue with the PP's. And these big pay - outs it's not that I gain thousands and thousands on surplus then what I needed to finish them. 

If we use your example; 

 500 ( partial pay - out) X 30 = 15.000 units. 

450 ( partial pay -out minus +- 10% )  X 30 = 13.500 units.  I'm supposed to build these 1500 also now ?   

For defence phalanx units = troyans = 52 minutes. so make it easy for the math here , I can build 1 every hour , so I need 1500 hours defined by 24 (hours in a day) = 62.5 days = 2 months.   That I have to build these troops extra and that I may not use for other battle's. 

For offence phalanx units = promachos = 1 h 53 minutes, so make it easy for the math here, I can build 12 each day. And I need 1500 of them extra for the PP's so 1500 / 12 = 125 days = 4 months building time .  

And that is for 1 persian position 

So your 10% reduced partial pay - outs is actually for the players ( and I shall give myself as example) 30% more building time in the game. I play 14 months now this game here. So for the lvl's I do now at the PP's, I'm gonna have to spend another 4 months extra buiilding time.                 

We all know that the gamedeveloppers never plays the game self. So they never realise what a so called "small change" has a huge effect on the game.