After years of playing this game I will be quitting thanks to this new feature.

This feature will kill all PVP when people fully understand its impact which was made clear to me the other day. Defense is no longer a reasonable strategy, as I will explain later, and since PVP requires defenders for attacks to take place PVP will eventually dry up.

Initially I thought it was just another annoying feature designed to get people to spend money. Fair enough. But it was exceptionally annoying. The amount of time required to fiddle with guardians, painstakingly upgrading them, was absurd. Then the requirement to choose your guardian carefully lest you lose the rock-paper-scissors game and get hit with a -25% effect.

After a day I was hit with an attack where the other player had a +50% due to his guardian. He annihilated my small force even though I had maxed pretty much every other bonus possible. All troop level 32, resource buildings at lvl25, I mean everything, even a +10 def bonus item. Then this guy appears with a +50 guardian and bam.

To counter this my only option would seem to be to spend money to buy good guardians and then login every 2 hours to fiddle with these guardians to get them up in rank. Even then I will be restricted to some subset of possible offensive or defensive moves depending on the guardians. Even if I did this the defensive options can never guarantee superiority due to the rock-paper-scissors feature. The attacker always has the option to scout my forces and only engage when he has the advantage. This is why PVP will end. There is now a clear advantage to being the attacker and so people will not opt to defend emporia, cities or anything they don't have to.

My other option is just to use this as a good time to stop playing this game which is what I will do. Its cheaper and takes a lot less time. Why should I spend hundreds of hours in a futile attempt to get back to where I was a week ago before the rules of the game were changed?

I dont understand all this negative energy about Guardians. I find it very positive when a game that I, and you, played for quite some time, can offer me some more, some new stuff to do/upgrade. If anything, I hope grade 5 will be easier to come by. - like versus emeralds. But hey its only been here few days.

So, 50%? Thats like saying you defend with X amount defence, and the attacker has alot more than you, killed you and now you lost - and because of that you quit the game. The affinity bonus is 25%. - nothing more nothing less. 25% bonus to his stats. That your Guardian is weaker than his Guardian doesnt make Guardians bad. Also why the hell do you defend your city with such a huge amount while offline - that can make you quit the game? I dont understand that at all. And if this isnt while you are offline, you made your choice, you faught a bigger/better/more rich whatever guy over you. This guy was most likely stronger a week ago aswell, Guardians or not. That you didnt care about the news, The Guardians.. Is not the Guardians fault - its your fault. Its your troops and you control them.

You do have one interesting point, that the attacker can scout until he find the city where he has the edge, 25%. But so can you. Could this mean more PVP? Well you dont know - since its only been here a few days. And you could also look at that like, say you are enemy with this X coalition, like 1/3 of these enemies will never attack you since you have the edge. Or at least 1/3 of the total Guardians they have. And the last 1/3 you and the attacker will have the same affinity.

- But it is still an interesting point, I believe Plarium already thought about it - if not - maybe something could be done about it - like a scout report doesnt show what affinity is defending. But it wont change much... Since after a few attacks from your enemy, they will easily see what 1-2 top guardians you use. So yea I dont know about that.

Also just to make it clear, for you but also people reading, offensive and defensive Guardians can achieve the same bonus. You can look at this clicking the "Index" button.

"Why should I spend hundreds of hours?" 

- Well, in short - because you like/used to like the game. Aaand most of these hundreds of hours, is offline right - few clicks and you are going.. Specially since you already have a fully upgraded city/agreements..

Anyways.. Have a nice day! 

I dont understand all this negative energy about Guardians. I find it very positive when a game that I, and you, played for quite some time, can offer me some more, some new stuff to do/upgrade. If anything, I hope grade 5 will be easier to come by. - like versus emeralds. But hey its only been here few days.

So, 50%? Thats like saying you defend with X amount defence, and the attacker has alot more than you, killed you and now you lost - and because of that you quit the game. The affinity bonus is 25%. - nothing more nothing less. 25% bonus to his stats. That your Guardian is weaker than his Guardian doesnt make Guardians bad. Also why the hell do you defend your city with such a huge amount while offline - that can make you quit the game? I dont understand that at all. And if this isnt while you are offline, you made your choice, you faught a bigger/better/more rich whatever guy over you. This guy was most likely stronger a week ago aswell, Guardians or not. That you didnt care about the news, The Guardians.. Is not the Guardians fault - its your fault. Its your troops and you control them.

You do have one interesting point, that the attacker can scout until he find the city where he has the edge, 25%. But so can you. Could this mean more PVP? Well you dont know - since its only been here a few days. And you could also look at that like, say you are enemy with this X coalition, like 1/3 of these enemies will never attack you since you have the edge. Or at least 1/3 of the total Guardians they have. And the last 1/3 you and the attacker will have the same affinity.

- But it is still an interesting point, I believe Plarium already thought about it - if not - maybe something could be done about it - like a scout report doesnt show what affinity is defending. But it wont change much... Since after a few attacks from your enemy, they will easily see what 1-2 top guardians you use. So yea I dont know about that.

Also just to make it clear, for you but also people reading, offensive and defensive Guardians can achieve the same bonus. You can look at this clicking the "Index" button.

"Why should I spend hundreds of hours?" 

- Well, in short - because you like/used to like the game. Aaand most of these hundreds of hours, is offline right - few clicks and you are going.. Specially since you already have a fully upgraded city/agreements..

Anyways.. Have a nice day! 

The guardian power regenerates every 2 hours and you have to be constantly doing battles with warlords to progress. This is what I mean that its a huge fiddly time waster. I want to spend time collaborating with others on a pan attack not fiddling with a progress bar machine.

Coeus said:

I dont understand all this negative energy about Guardians. I find it very positive when a game that I, and you, played for quite some time, can offer me some more, some new stuff to do/upgrade. If anything, I hope grade 5 will be easier to come by. - like versus emeralds. But hey its only been here few days.

So, 50%? Thats like saying you defend with X amount defence, and the attacker has alot more than you, killed you and now you lost - and because of that you quit the game. The affinity bonus is 25%. - nothing more nothing less. 25% bonus to his stats. That your Guardian is weaker than his Guardian doesnt make Guardians bad. Also why the hell do you defend your city with such a huge amount while offline - that can make you quit the game? I dont understand that at all. And if this isnt while you are offline, you made your choice, you faught a bigger/better/more rich whatever guy over you. This guy was most likely stronger a week ago aswell, Guardians or not. That you didnt care about the news, The Guardians.. Is not the Guardians fault - its your fault. Its your troops and you control them.

You do have one interesting point, that the attacker can scout until he find the city where he has the edge, 25%. But so can you. Could this mean more PVP? Well you dont know - since its only been here a few days. And you could also look at that like, say you are enemy with this X coalition, like 1/3 of these enemies will never attack you since you have the edge. Or at least 1/3 of the total Guardians they have. And the last 1/3 you and the attacker will have the same affinity.

- But it is still an interesting point, I believe Plarium already thought about it - if not - maybe something could be done about it - like a scout report doesnt show what affinity is defending. But it wont change much... Since after a few attacks from your enemy, they will easily see what 1-2 top guardians you use. So yea I dont know about that.

Also just to make it clear, for you but also people reading, offensive and defensive Guardians can achieve the same bonus. You can look at this clicking the "Index" button.

"Why should I spend hundreds of hours?" 

- Well, in short - because you like/used to like the game. Aaand most of these hundreds of hours, is offline right - few clicks and you are going.. Specially since you already have a fully upgraded city/agreements..

Anyways.. Have a nice day! 

grade 5 guardians you can only get with buying not with playing so its only for the coiners not for the normal players.

Socrates said:

The guardian power regenerates every 2 hours and you have to be constantly doing battles with warlords to progress. This is what I mean that its a huge fiddly time waster. I want to spend time collaborating with others on a pan attack not fiddling with a progress bar machine.

There is no way around the fact that offense can guarantee a 25% bonus and defense cannot. Why would anyone use defense strategies any more? How will offense continue with nobody to attack?

Some has the time to play all day long, but most don't - so they will also just log-in once a day or two and do whatever and a few guardians. Play safe for a short period of time and you avoid the gap that huge coiners make - meaning they can only get this far/do this much with money.. and over just 1 month, give it just 1 month and you will have a few decent guardians yourself. When people buy a holy bond - its not even sure you get an grade 5.. and so what if someone has 1-2-3 grade 5s.. Who cares - you will see that fast and you can choose to avoid that one guy or those few guys if you wish.

Aaand.. over time.. not as long as you think - but you played years, so a few months should be okay right.. over a few months you will have guardians grade 2-3-4 upgraded rank 3-4 you might choose to upgrade a few with some upgrade stones - and you are good. If you feel the attackers advantage is too big, then don't put out defence while offline. You might say but I have alot of defensive troops. Well then while online try trick people into attacking you, city emp or pan whatever and use your guardians aswell of course.

About the attacker, you are right, attackers can search for the edge - but again so can you. Also defending cities will still be going on.. Here you could say they had the clear plus before - as you can revive 30% troops FREE, and still can.

Also.. I dont have the numbers but its clear to me that...

You/We normal people are afraid of the huge guys with huge troops bonuses.. Okay.. Guardians..

For him to have just 1 Grade 5 fully upgraded.. He needs.. The exact Type he seeks/needs... I mean if he gets a Spy Guardan grade 5.. We dont care about that, do we. So first he needs a City, Emp, Pan, Cap Offensive or Defensive.. You are mainly afraid of the Offensive ones so that is even less.. So..

He buys an expensive package - MAYBE - get lucky and get a grade 5.. - MAYBE - get lucky that it is one of these he can do some damage with.. Okay.. Lets say he got the City Offensive one - thats the one you talk about.. To enlighten that Grade 5 he needs another 5 Grade 5's(FIVE!!!) of the EXACT same Type to make that ONE guy fully upgraded. That is not happening. That will be super rare.

1. Before that guy has that... I believe you will have/be able to get lets say a few grade 3-4 fully upgraded.

2. Again.. We assume someone spends a fortune to get these fully upgraded grade 5s.. Okay.. He attack/defend one time with this, and you avoid him. Very simple. Its not like there will be 100s of players having 100s of Grade 5's at all.

Thats it for now.

Coeus said:

I dont understand all this negative energy about Guardians. I find it very positive when a game that I, and you, played for quite some time, can offer me some more, some new stuff to do/upgrade. If anything, I hope grade 5 will be easier to come by. - like versus emeralds. But hey its only been here few days.

So, 50%? Thats like saying you defend with X amount defence, and the attacker has alot more than you, killed you and now you lost - and because of that you quit the game. The affinity bonus is 25%. - nothing more nothing less. 25% bonus to his stats. That your Guardian is weaker than his Guardian doesnt make Guardians bad. Also why the hell do you defend your city with such a huge amount while offline - that can make you quit the game? I dont understand that at all. And if this isnt while you are offline, you made your choice, you faught a bigger/better/more rich whatever guy over you. This guy was most likely stronger a week ago aswell, Guardians or not. That you didnt care about the news, The Guardians.. Is not the Guardians fault - its your fault. Its your troops and you control them.

You do have one interesting point, that the attacker can scout until he find the city where he has the edge, 25%. But so can you. Could this mean more PVP? Well you dont know - since its only been here a few days. And you could also look at that like, say you are enemy with this X coalition, like 1/3 of these enemies will never attack you since you have the edge. Or at least 1/3 of the total Guardians they have. And the last 1/3 you and the attacker will have the same affinity.

- But it is still an interesting point, I believe Plarium already thought about it - if not - maybe something could be done about it - like a scout report doesnt show what affinity is defending. But it wont change much... Since after a few attacks from your enemy, they will easily see what 1-2 top guardians you use. So yea I dont know about that.

Also just to make it clear, for you but also people reading, offensive and defensive Guardians can achieve the same bonus. You can look at this clicking the "Index" button.

"Why should I spend hundreds of hours?" 

- Well, in short - because you like/used to like the game. Aaand most of these hundreds of hours, is offline right - few clicks and you are going.. Specially since you already have a fully upgraded city/agreements..

Anyways.. Have a nice day! 

grade 5 guardians you can only get with buying not with playing so its only for the coiners not for the normal players.

CopperLady2 said:

I keep getting chronos quests that say to retire guardians but retiring them to increase rank does not count. I don't see any place that tells how to do this. this quest is ridiculous.

I don't like it much aswell. But here is what I do.

The 4h xp booster you get cost you 30 emeralds.

And so do 3 basic bonds. I buy 3 bonds to then retire them versus xp.

It do cost you 30 emeralds this way, I basically just buy 3 bonds instead of buying the XP boost, but also I get the chance for these Bonds to turn into some decent Grade 3. 

Maybe you won a few Bonds through Warlords - we can call these free bonds - and then it wont cost you 30 emeralds you could say.

Or.. simply ignore it.

Alina Phoenix said:

Gepi77 said:

What should be better now because of Guardians? Chronos missions? What a lie! Today's chronos mission:

In the very near future devs will add new Quests for Guardians and in this way you will not receive 2 Quests anymore :)

Another plarium lie! Today's chronos missions. And all in our coalition have had same since you claimed that! The only thing working on Sparta is a dozen windows trying to persuade players to spend Money!

kaisersouzey said:

grade 5 guardians you can only get with buying not with playing so its only for the coiners not for the normal players.

No, you don't :) You can receive Holy Summoning Bonds via fights with Warlords.

There is a screenshot of a Holy Bond dropping from a Warlord in some of the newly made threads here on the forum about Guardians.. It turned into a Grade IV though, said Morteee. Its him/her that provided the screenshot aswell.

even the vip agents give us differing information (if they give any at all)

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My coalition has also made monstrous numbers of actions in the attempt to upgrade our guardians - no one has ever seen ANY evidence of holy drops from fights ... giving false information to players so they waist time trying to achieve the impossible should have some form of punishment.

To get false info from com managers is just another nail in the coffin of Sparta - why are we trying to destroy the game this hard?

Coeus said:

There is a screenshot of a Holy Bond dropping from a Warlord in some of the newly made threads here on the forum about Guardians.. It turned into a Grade IV though, said Morteee. Its him/her that provided the screenshot aswell.

the photo is from a mod playing the facebook server, not plarium.com glorious valley  

as usual .... seems we never get the goodies....

Fortuna said:

Alina Phoenix said:

kaisersouzey said:

grade 5 guardians you can only get with buying not with playing so its only for the coiners not for the normal players.

No, you don't :) You can receive Holy Summoning Bonds via fights with Warlords.

hi Alina, So you confirm that in plarium.com server glorius valley we can get holy bonds free fighting warlords. could you be so kind to ask devs if that is right? 

if so, can you give an aprox ratio of attacks to get one? a thousand? ten thousand attacks? because people dont find them in our server, and the only one we get for free are basic ones after an average of  one in every 30 attacks

could you be so kind to confirm this information you provide? 

Also can you ask for the ratio of possibilities of getting a grade 4 or five? because it seems going badly for the grade 5 with an average of 1 grade 5 every 10 grade 4, and if so, this should be also informed so the people know about their chances.

thanks in advance for your time, hope you bring back confirmation, as the reality in game in plarium.com glorious valley server does not look like that.

Fortuna, I do confirm you can receive Holy and Epic Summoning Bonds from fights with Warlocks.

Guardians on plarium.com are working in the same way they do on Facebook servers. I can't tell you the exact ratio, but win these Bonds are harder than Basic ones. Still, it's possible. 

Fortuna said:

Alina, what can i do if after nearly 150 battles i do not get any bond at all, nor basic, epic or holy? 

Do you kill the Warlords in one hit? If not, that might help. You will get more XP if you kill Warlords in one hit versus say two Hits.. It is not confirmed, and I don't know if its the same situation for drops bonds/energy.. But if you do not kill them in one hit at the moment... try it.

If you do, I have no suggestions/explanation. 

I always do the 1 hit 1 kill,, and I get a basic bond now and then.