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Jan 28, 2026, 07:563 days
01/22/21
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unfair acquisition of champions

In 250 days, I've been getting absolutely useless legendary heroes—Rorik, Genjin, Pixniel, Shirimaina, Dili, and Grogak—as well as free champions like Alisa and Dilianna. The final blow was getting a duplicate of Genjin and that damn Razen you can craft for free!! What nonsense! What if I keep getting Sunwukong and other free Legions and useless heroes?

I've gotten some decent heroes like Elva, Jingwon, and Vixwell, but in comparison, there are far more useless heroes and duplicates. Why even add Razen to the pool of available heroes? It's killing my desire to play! Or just fix these useless heroes already.


Not to mention the multipliers for the required heroes are a drop in the bucket. There are so many heroes there that even x25 doesn't feel like a thing anymore. While four years ago, as a newbie, you could get heroes by saving up resources, now, even if you've saved up, getting the hero you need is practically impossible. As a result, the veterans already have everything, they continue to earn content and become stronger, while newbies can't escape the swamp. Take even the Assassin's Coalition: high-level players earn all the rewards very easily, while newbies simply can't reach them. As a result, newbies are stuck in the same place, while high-level players become incredibly powerful.

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Jan 28, 2026, 10:063 days
10/12/21
60

*shrug* They can't all be winners. I'm on my 5th year now and my champ vault probably has 40-50 legends in it that I leveled up to 50 and put away. Occationally, Plarium will dust off an old or bad champ and revamp it to try to make them playable. Plus, a dup Genjin means you can use them as champian guardians and give your other champs a boost. Or, if you want, you can grind your 2nd one and get 500 coins to buy a new champ. Personally, the first option is better IMHO.

You know what will really grind your gears? Getting a bad void champ. Uggghhhh... there are some out there that are real stinkers. Nothing quite like seeing the yellow explosion only to see that they have a 1.5 rating... =P Although in game rating can be wrong or have a rating before they were fixed.

My first Mythical was Mezomel. Her in game rating is 4.1 for arena and then 3 and less everywhere else. I thought she was garbage until I started to play around with her. I'd say her arena rating should be at least 4.8 and she's great for Nether Spider and some other areas as well. She was a lemon that I turned into lemonade.

Jan 28, 2026, 23:512 days
12/16/21
2257


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The good news is they said at some point this year they're going to bring back previous fusion champs, so people who missed out on, for instance, gnut or pythion will have a chance to get them

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Jan 28, 2026, 23:572 days
06/24/19
4102
MooredRat


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The good news is they said at some point this year they're going to bring back previous fusion champs, so people who missed out on, for instance, gnut or pythion will have a chance to get them

We hope anyway.  No idea what ones or how they'll pick them. 

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Jan 28, 2026, 23:572 days
06/24/19
4102
hybrithe

*shrug* They can't all be winners. I'm on my 5th year now and my champ vault probably has 40-50 legends in it that I leveled up to 50 and put away. Occationally, Plarium will dust off an old or bad champ and revamp it to try to make them playable. Plus, a dup Genjin means you can use them as champian guardians and give your other champs a boost. Or, if you want, you can grind your 2nd one and get 500 coins to buy a new champ. Personally, the first option is better IMHO.

You know what will really grind your gears? Getting a bad void champ. Uggghhhh... there are some out there that are real stinkers. Nothing quite like seeing the yellow explosion only to see that they have a 1.5 rating... =P Although in game rating can be wrong or have a rating before they were fixed.

My first Mythical was Mezomel. Her in game rating is 4.1 for arena and then 3 and less everywhere else. I thought she was garbage until I started to play around with her. I'd say her arena rating should be at least 4.8 and she's great for Nether Spider and some other areas as well. She was a lemon that I turned into lemonade.

Just gets worse as you progress too.  End game even if you pull a new champ odds are you'll have no actual use for them. 

Jan 29, 2026, 00:162 days
01/31/20
2135
hybrithe

*shrug* They can't all be winners. I'm on my 5th year now and my champ vault probably has 40-50 legends in it that I leveled up to 50 and put away. Occationally, Plarium will dust off an old or bad champ and revamp it to try to make them playable. Plus, a dup Genjin means you can use them as champian guardians and give your other champs a boost. Or, if you want, you can grind your 2nd one and get 500 coins to buy a new champ. Personally, the first option is better IMHO.

You know what will really grind your gears? Getting a bad void champ. Uggghhhh... there are some out there that are real stinkers. Nothing quite like seeing the yellow explosion only to see that they have a 1.5 rating... =P Although in game rating can be wrong or have a rating before they were fixed.

My first Mythical was Mezomel. Her in game rating is 4.1 for arena and then 3 and less everywhere else. I thought she was garbage until I started to play around with her. I'd say her arena rating should be at least 4.8 and she's great for Nether Spider and some other areas as well. She was a lemon that I turned into lemonade.

Even worse than a bad void lego is a dupe of a bad void lego....

I was pulling voids on a Marichka boost a while back, and hit gold.  I was excited for about 2 seconds, but out popped a dupe of Ursuga.  I don't even use my first Ursuga. For a void lego, she is desperately in need of a buff.

Jan 29, 2026, 00:212 days
Jan 29, 2026, 05:55(edited)
01/31/20
2135

Lizards were crazy for me on pulling useless dupes: 2 Rhazin, 2 Skull Lord, 4 Roxam, 3 Dracomorph....

For the longest time, the only Lizard I used anywhere outside of Faction Wars was Pythion. Then I pulled Sulfuryion, so now there are two.      

Jan 29, 2026, 05:122 days
01/22/21
10
hybrithe

*shrug* They can't all be winners. I'm on my 5th year now and my champ vault probably has 40-50 legends in it that I leveled up to 50 and put away. Occationally, Plarium will dust off an old or bad champ and revamp it to try to make them playable. Plus, a dup Genjin means you can use them as champian guardians and give your other champs a boost. Or, if you want, you can grind your 2nd one and get 500 coins to buy a new champ. Personally, the first option is better IMHO.

You know what will really grind your gears? Getting a bad void champ. Uggghhhh... there are some out there that are real stinkers. Nothing quite like seeing the yellow explosion only to see that they have a 1.5 rating... =P Although in game rating can be wrong or have a rating before they were fixed.

My first Mythical was Mezomel. Her in game rating is 4.1 for arena and then 3 and less everywhere else. I thought she was garbage until I started to play around with her. I'd say her arena rating should be at least 4.8 and she's great for Nether Spider and some other areas as well. She was a lemon that I turned into lemonade.

Yes, I understand, that's why they play for me too, but at their best. But it feels like the odds of getting bad heroes and free ones are much higher. I even calculated how many free heroes there are and the odds of getting three free champions in a row (like I did), plus duplicate Razen and Genjin. It's a very slim chance, so I think the chances of getting decent champions are lower. I've watched many bloggers and their discoveries – most often, the same ones appear, including Alisa, Dillian, and the drops are very similar. This kind of result can only happen if the odds are unequal.

Jan 29, 2026, 05:162 days
Jan 29, 2026, 05:20(edited)
01/22/21
10

I statistically calculated the successful discoveries of bloggers (I studied more than 100 discoveries, 10-20 sacred fragments each) and, on the other hand, calculated the number of good heroes and the probability of obtaining them based on calculations. The numbers showed that there is a strong deviation. That's why I came to the conclusion about the unfair acquisition of heroes, both from my experience and from the experience of others. I take into account the effect that we can only notice bad discoveries, but in my conclusion I used only the obtained numbers.

Jan 29, 2026, 06:082 days
01/31/20
2135
evfilbox

I statistically calculated the successful discoveries of bloggers (I studied more than 100 discoveries, 10-20 sacred fragments each) and, on the other hand, calculated the number of good heroes and the probability of obtaining them based on calculations. The numbers showed that there is a strong deviation. That's why I came to the conclusion about the unfair acquisition of heroes, both from my experience and from the experience of others. I take into account the effect that we can only notice bad discoveries, but in my conclusion I used only the obtained numbers.

If you are seriously suggesting that Plarium has set the odds of pulling bad/old/free/fusion Legos higher than the odds of pulling new/good/meta Legos, then you'd best come with some serious statistical analysis including data from the data-miners that look behind Palrium's curtain.  Otherwise, you are just gonna be dismissed as a member of the Tin Foil Hat Brigade.

Jan 29, 2026, 09:382 days
Jan 29, 2026, 09:50(edited)
01/22/21
10

If you have data mining resources, please provide them and I'll calculate them. I've reached this conclusion based on the available data. Yes, the sample is not large, it could just be a coincidence. I tried to look for some information on statistics, but the information is a drop in the ocean.


So far, your answer doesn't make any sense; you've essentially suggested using information I couldn't find. And if it doesn't exist in the first place, then you haven't figured out the issue yourself and are giving pointless advice, while simultaneously signing me up for conspiracy theorists.

Jan 29, 2026, 11:002 days
12/16/21
2257

One thing to be aware of is that the content creators often cut out footage of them getting lousy pulls; As often as not if it's shown it was left in for comedic effect.


So you might see Saph (just for example) pull 100 sacred shards and get 6 legos, with the 6th one being whoever is new and highly sought after. The part you don;t see it the 1000 *other* shards and 70 crap legos he also got but edited out.

Jan 29, 2026, 11:462 days
Jan 29, 2026, 11:54(edited)
01/22/21
10

This only makes sense if the blogger works for Plarium and advertises for them, because the audience doesn't care; people get emotional from both good and bad shard discoveries. But I often notice bloggers dissatisfied with the discoveries, and this is more of a negative advertisement for the raid. When three Lokis drop on one account, two of which are almost in a row, the probability of this happening is very low, and then another opening drops two more Lokis... It was after this video that I started watching the openings more closely and keeping track of which heroes drop more often. It might be a coincidence, but it happens way too often, including on my account.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Jan 29, 2026, 15:242 days
06/24/19
4102
WileyMan

Even worse than a bad void lego is a dupe of a bad void lego....

I was pulling voids on a Marichka boost a while back, and hit gold.  I was excited for about 2 seconds, but out popped a dupe of Ursuga.  I don't even use my first Ursuga. For a void lego, she is desperately in need of a buff.

Just pull Bayek than you can +2.  But yes she's definitely on the list of Voids that need a buff. 

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Jan 29, 2026, 15:312 days
06/24/19
4102

Youll never have access to a large enough dataset to come up with anything statistically relevant.  Also "good" is subjective without a way to quantify.

Jan 29, 2026, 16:222 days
Jan 29, 2026, 16:25(edited)
01/22/21
10

In this case, opinions are formed not based on emotions, but on specific problems and their solutions. There are heroes that can be used to complete certain content, and there are heroes that are practically useless, so this can be assessed. If it can be assessed, then it can be calculated. Especially since the problem I pointed out wasn't just what's good and what's bad, but the tendency to drop identical heroes, especially those that are already available for free. there is no need to divert the topic into sophistry

dthorne04Moderator
Jan 29, 2026, 17:092 days
12/30/20
8012

And now we're devolving into a bit of yapping here. 

There's nothing deceptive or incorrect about what short said - there simply isn't enough data to come away with anything useful here. Though I do find it humorous because usually the theory is the game is rigged for content creators to get good pulls, not the other way around 

Jan 29, 2026, 17:212 days
01/31/20
2135
evfilbox

If you have data mining resources, please provide them and I'll calculate them. I've reached this conclusion based on the available data. Yes, the sample is not large, it could just be a coincidence. I tried to look for some information on statistics, but the information is a drop in the ocean.


So far, your answer doesn't make any sense; you've essentially suggested using information I couldn't find. And if it doesn't exist in the first place, then you haven't figured out the issue yourself and are giving pointless advice, while simultaneously signing me up for conspiracy theorists.

I am not a data miner or a CC.  I am just a highly engaged player.  I am also not a Plarium Apologist and have had a couple of my own Plarium Conspiracy moments.

You purport to have watched a lot of Content Creator videos as part of your "analysis".  If that is the case, then either you aren't paying attention or you don't understand what they are saying.  The big CCs periodically gain access to data that has been data-mined straight out of the game, with and without Plarium's official consent.  That is how Farbstoff is able to keep RSL Helper up-to-date, and how the HH Website is able to populate the data for the Raid Stages Tool.  Furthermore, users of RSL Helper and the HH Optimizer give permission to aggregate their user data, which gives both of those entities immense statistical resources of their own.  

If what you are insinuating is even remotely true, they would likely already know it, or have the resources to investigate it.  If you care enough, go join their Discords, but you won't find them on the Forum.

Jan 29, 2026, 17:492 days
01/31/20
2135
evfilbox

This only makes sense if the blogger works for Plarium and advertises for them, because the audience doesn't care; people get emotional from both good and bad shard discoveries. But I often notice bloggers dissatisfied with the discoveries, and this is more of a negative advertisement for the raid. When three Lokis drop on one account, two of which are almost in a row, the probability of this happening is very low, and then another opening drops two more Lokis... It was after this video that I started watching the openings more closely and keeping track of which heroes drop more often. It might be a coincidence, but it happens way too often, including on my account.

CCs make their income on views & subscribers.  They have every incentive to produce polarized videos that cause extra drama and to advertise them with clickbait titles & thumbnails.

Even the good CCs are guilty of this behavior.

Jan 30, 2026, 02:32Yesterday
Jan 30, 2026, 03:00(edited)
01/22/21
10

In this case, you're claiming that content creators are fudging the results—and you're probably referring to everyone—to attract an audience. Do you have any evidence, or is this just speculation? You don't even know which content creators I've watched, but you're already claiming they're lying.

It's funny that you also talked about conspiracy theories.

Jan 30, 2026, 02:43Yesterday
12/16/21
2257

If confirmation bias were real then why doesn't it ever prove me wrong? huh? huh!