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11 июнь 2025, 04:5611.06.25
31.01.20
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Relic Deep Dive

There are so many Relics in the game now, it feels like it is time to have a one stop shop for discussing them.  IMO, Relics fall into a few different groups:

  1. Obviously Powerful 
  2. Not OP, but Broadly Useful
  3. Not Generally Useful, but Powerful Niche Uses
  4. Truly Lackluster and have no obvious use other than (1) Stat Boosts, (2) Carrying Gemstones and (3) Upgrading Other Relics.

Let's Discuss them here.

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11 июнь 2025, 04:5911.06.25
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Can anyone come up with a strong use for "Grail of Agony?  It seems fairly terrible to me, and turns an opposing Armanz or Lyssandra into a stone cold assassin.

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11 июнь 2025, 05:0411.06.25
11 июнь 2025, 05:06(отредактировано)
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What about "The Collective"?  I crafted this one last week, and the only possible scenario I can come with is a Nuke Seer on a Reset Team for Waves with Massive DEF/HP.

Am I missing something that would make this better than my first impression?

i


11 июнь 2025, 20:3411.06.25
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Collective could be good against bosses that steal or flip your buffs.

11 июнь 2025, 21:2611.06.25
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WileyMan

Can anyone come up with a strong use for "Grail of Agony?  It seems fairly terrible to me, and turns an opposing Armanz or Lyssandra into a stone cold assassin.

i

     

throw it on nogdar, use him as an armanz counter

11 июнь 2025, 22:4411.06.25
11 июнь 2025, 22:44(отредактировано)
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Carpe_Piscis

throw it on nogdar, use him as an armanz counter

There we go.  Got a Niche Use for Grail of Agony.  

LOL.. If I ever get a Grail of Agony, maybe I'll try that...

11 июнь 2025, 22:4711.06.25
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MooredRat

Collective could be good against bosses that steal or flip your buffs.

Hmmm, so it could potentially be useful against Amius and/or Embrys....maybe.

Still seems like pretty weak sauce to me.  I actually have this one, so I'd like to be wrong....  

12 июнь 2025, 00:4112.06.25
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Carpe_Piscis

throw it on nogdar, use him as an armanz counter

Unfortunately I don't think it'll work - even if Nogdar does end up dying and reviving, while its true that he does revive with a full turn meter, Armanz is probably going to have *more* than a full turn meter from all the TM he steals, so he'll still act before Nogdar will, and can, worst-case, just polymorph Nogdar at that point.

12 июнь 2025, 09:0512.06.25
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kramaswamy.kr

Unfortunately I don't think it'll work - even if Nogdar does end up dying and reviving, while its true that he does revive with a full turn meter, Armanz is probably going to have *more* than a full turn meter from all the TM he steals, so he'll still act before Nogdar will, and can, worst-case, just polymorph Nogdar at that point.

was worried that might happen, but i don't have enough experience using nogdar to know how plarium defines 'full' in his case. i still think it could be a decent relic on him though.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
13 июнь 2025, 02:2413.06.25
24.06.19
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Im mostly curious if we will see a Relic rebalance at some point.  Im so hesitant to eat even epics but it takes so long to rank them up.

13 июнь 2025, 03:3513.06.25
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Carpe_Piscis

was worried that might happen, but i don't have enough experience using nogdar to know how plarium defines 'full' in his case. i still think it could be a decent relic on him though.

I use Nogdar on my main arena team - the dude is fantastic, and he absolutely demolishes a lot of traditional teams. I just don't know if I'd use this relic on him. That said, I'm not particularly verbose on relics in general - I looked through my available ones and none seemed at all useful to him.

13 июнь 2025, 04:1313.06.25
13 июнь 2025, 16:55(отредактировано)
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kramaswamy.kr

I use Nogdar on my main arena team - the dude is fantastic, and he absolutely demolishes a lot of traditional teams. I just don't know if I'd use this relic on him. That said, I'm not particularly verbose on relics in general - I looked through my available ones and none seemed at all useful to him.

He would benefit from anything that enhances damage. Even something as common as a Malefic Talon would be good for him.  

13 июнь 2025, 04:2213.06.25
13 июнь 2025, 04:22(отредактировано)
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WileyMan

He would benefit from anything that enhances damage. Even something as common as a Malefic Talon would be good for him.  

I mean - sure, that's fair. I more meant like, none would really matter much for him. Like, a bit more damage from Talon isn't going to change the outcome of a fight.

He doesn't win fights because of his damage - he wins because of the HP-swap + extra turn shenanigans.

9 июль 2025, 07:2209.07.25
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Has anyone tried to use the Arachnelixir Relic with a Toxic Gearset? 

Does Arachnelixr add damage to the poisons placed by that set?  

If yes:

  • Is it the full amount from the relic or 50% since they are the weak poisons?
  • Does it count as poison damage or damge from the toon?

If it works and counts as poison damage, it might be a way to use the Toxic set for the poison trial in Chimera.

When I get around to it, I plan to regear Lydia in 4pc Toxic & 4pc Merciless specifically for Chimera.

24 авг. 2025, 19:1924.08.25
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I just fought a High Res Pythion that was healing with every hit he took, with no apparent cooldown. It was as bad as fighting a well-built Islin. That has to be a Relic, but I am not familiar with that effect.  Anyone?


24 авг. 2025, 21:2324.08.25
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WileyMan

I just fought a High Res Pythion that was healing with every hit he took, with no apparent cooldown. It was as bad as fighting a well-built Islin. That has to be a Relic, but I am not familiar with that effect.  Anyone?


Golden elixir?

Heals 10% everytime hp drops below 50%, no cooldown

ShortOnSkillzModerator
24 авг. 2025, 22:1324.08.25
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MooredRat

Golden elixir?

Heals 10% everytime hp drops below 50%, no cooldown

Seems to be the most likely candidate.

25 авг. 2025, 03:3525.08.25
1 сент. 2025, 06:23(отредактировано)
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I know how Elixir works, but it seemed too frequent to be that. 

I am pretty sure he was healing on every hit, including when he was above 50% HP, and definitely not on just the hits where his health dropped below 50%. 

ShortOnSkillzModerator
26 авг. 2025, 13:3226.08.25
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WileyMan

I know how Elixir works, but it seemed too frequent to be that. 

I am pretty sure he was healing on every hit, including when he was above 50% HP, and definitely not on just the hits where his health dropped below 50%. 

Not sure what else it could be.  I know Elixir seems to act buggy as hell at times though.

26 авг. 2025, 18:2026.08.25
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ShortOnSkillz

Not sure what else it could be.  I know Elixir seems to act buggy as hell at times though.

I agree.  I don't know of another relic that could be the cause, which is why I posted here.

If it wasn't a Relic, I was hoping that someone would know what it was.  

Whatever it was, I want it on a couple of my toons.  LOL.    

ShortOnSkillzModerator
26 авг. 2025, 19:5526.08.25
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WileyMan

I agree.  I don't know of another relic that could be the cause, which is why I posted here.

If it wasn't a Relic, I was hoping that someone would know what it was.  

Whatever it was, I want it on a couple of my toons.  LOL.    

Maybe shadow heal on top too?  And then just tanky enough he always healed back over 50% when hit?