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16 май 2025, 03:5416.05.25
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Faction Wars Hard Mode - Discussion Center

Edit:  This thread has become the go-to spot for all discussions related to Faction Wars Hard, so I retitled it accordingly.    

Originally titled "Why the H are there 4 Star Glyphs in FW Hard Mode?" with the following intro comment:  

For 6 keys per stage, there should be NO 4 star glyphs in FW Hard Mode at all.  

It is a fairly terrible feeling to use a free regear token and sink the time into regearing and running stages multiple times on manual to get the 3 stars only to realize that your "rewards" for all that effort included a couple of four star glyphs....and the icing on the turd?  Your hour is up, so you have to spend silver to put the gear back where it belongs.  

Why does Plarium always have to put glaringly bad components into everything they add to the game?  Are they totally incapable of introducing something without at least a couple of gotchas?

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ShortOnSkillzModerator
16 май 2025, 11:1516.05.25
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It switches to only 5 and 6* glyphs fairly early on IIRC.  Swapping gear is annoying but Im just viewing it as a tax to get to 20 farm.

16 май 2025, 15:3216.05.25
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Not until L15, and by the look of it, regearing will be a regular occurrence for the entire climb, which means that we will quickly run out of Regear Tokens from Sintranos and will have to pay Silver.

So now we get to pay silver and use extra FW keys to earn 3 glyphs per day (vs 5) and they all have a chance to be 4 star for quite a while. 

They are incapable of just rolling out something that has no built-in negatives.  

16 май 2025, 23:4316.05.25
16 май 2025, 23:43(отредактировано)
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WileyMan

Not until L15, and by the look of it, regearing will be a regular occurrence for the entire climb, which means that we will quickly run out of Regear Tokens from Sintranos and will have to pay Silver.

So now we get to pay silver and use extra FW keys to earn 3 glyphs per day (vs 5) and they all have a chance to be 4 star for quite a while. 

They are incapable of just rolling out something that has no built-in negatives.  

You don't have to regear

You don't have to 3 star every stage on day 1

The player base constantly feels forced to do things, it's all self inflicted pain.  

I haven't had to do regearing yet, don't plan to. Ill abandon the 3 stars on my 1st pass through wherever.  

I have geared champs for the 1st time putting a small dent in my gear hoarding.  Stokk and yakarl are no longer living it up at the nude beach :)

16 май 2025, 23:4516.05.25
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Having leveled tons of epics for sintranos has certainly come in handy also.


16 май 2025, 23:5616.05.25
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What people SHOULD be complaining about is the "fix" for quests removing the rare and 3star one and leaving the boss one... lmao, now it will appear almost daily?  What else alternates with it?


17 май 2025, 02:2517.05.25
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Trips

What people SHOULD be complaining about is the "fix" for quests removing the rare and 3star one and leaving the boss one... lmao, now it will appear almost daily?  What else alternates with it?


It amuses me that they left that one in.  Nothing else alternates with it.  As I said in a different thread, if you get a FW quest, it will be that one every time, so we will see a lot of it. 

The 4 star glyphs being left in Hard Mode annoys me far more than the Beat a FW Boss Quest.

If you don't do regearing for these FW Trials, you'll be sitting at 1-2 stars for a good long while.    

17 май 2025, 02:3017.05.25
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Trips

You don't have to regear

You don't have to 3 star every stage on day 1

The player base constantly feels forced to do things, it's all self inflicted pain.  

I haven't had to do regearing yet, don't plan to. Ill abandon the 3 stars on my 1st pass through wherever.  

I have geared champs for the 1st time putting a small dent in my gear hoarding.  Stokk and yakarl are no longer living it up at the nude beach :)

Of course I don't have to do regearing. I don't have to do anything in the game I don't want to, which is evidenced by the fact that I opted out of chasing 1320 pts in S2 LA.  I went back to winning 5 per day and quitting most of the rest 3 weeks into S1 and have never looked back. 

However, if I want to complete these FW trials (now or later), I will need to regear for quite a few of them, and I imagine, so will you.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
17 май 2025, 03:1717.05.25
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Trips

What people SHOULD be complaining about is the "fix" for quests removing the rare and 3star one and leaving the boss one... lmao, now it will appear almost daily?  What else alternates with it?


That was definitely a choice that was made...

17 май 2025, 23:3017.05.25
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ShortOnSkillz

That was definitely a choice that was made...

Asking for a clustermate:

Has introducing 6* mythical glyphs essentially made the Ramantu missions to "get [max] stats using glyphs" exponentially harder?

Does it mean now that for all intents and purposes you'd only be able to progress that mission using 5* equipment and glyphs, because you'd be required to have mythical glyphs for rank 6 pieces to have a crazy low rng chance to get [max]?


Ask a dev for confirmation please

dthorne04Moderator
17 май 2025, 23:4517.05.25
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MooredRat

Asking for a clustermate:

Has introducing 6* mythical glyphs essentially made the Ramantu missions to "get [max] stats using glyphs" exponentially harder?

Does it mean now that for all intents and purposes you'd only be able to progress that mission using 5* equipment and glyphs, because you'd be required to have mythical glyphs for rank 6 pieces to have a crazy low rng chance to get [max]?


Ask a dev for confirmation please

as worded I'd presume you can expect to need to max roll with those glyphs to fulfill mission reqs, if you chose to use them (looking at the Get 10/30/40 [MAX] substat upgrades using Rank 5 or higher Glyphs missions)

I'm also going to guess this would be an insane outlier, someone pushing the Ramen missions AND being able to do hard FW/being at a stage where this is relevant (though there is the ongoing discussion about Tag being a gate for people in 2025)

if I'm misunderstanding something, please let me know. I don't see rarity being a requirement outside of having to max roll in the specific rarity you choose.

18 май 2025, 00:1218.05.25
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dthorne04

as worded I'd presume you can expect to need to max roll with those glyphs to fulfill mission reqs, if you chose to use them (looking at the Get 10/30/40 [MAX] substat upgrades using Rank 5 or higher Glyphs missions)

I'm also going to guess this would be an insane outlier, someone pushing the Ramen missions AND being able to do hard FW/being at a stage where this is relevant (though there is the ongoing discussion about Tag being a gate for people in 2025)

if I'm misunderstanding something, please let me know. I don't see rarity being a requirement outside of having to max roll in the specific rarity you choose.

No, what I'm asking is if a 6* NON-mythic glyph can count as {max]

For instance, a 6* regular speed glyph can enchant from 3-8 speed.

Does 8 *count* as [max] for the purpose of the quest, or would you HAVE to use a mythical glyph and get a 12?


Is the max enchant bonus tied to the glyph or the item in the way it's coded?

dthorne04Moderator
18 май 2025, 00:4418.05.25
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MooredRat

No, what I'm asking is if a 6* NON-mythic glyph can count as {max]

For instance, a 6* regular speed glyph can enchant from 3-8 speed.

Does 8 *count* as [max] for the purpose of the quest, or would you HAVE to use a mythical glyph and get a 12?


Is the max enchant bonus tied to the glyph or the item in the way it's coded?

I would presume it's tied to whatever glyph you're using. i.e. the old school 5* Speed will work just fine when it rolls 5. 

IIRC it should be tied to the maximum for the specific glyph you're using, as long as it satisfies the 5*+ requirement. I'll ask, though.

18 май 2025, 01:5218.05.25
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WileyMan

Of course I don't have to do regearing. I don't have to do anything in the game I don't want to, which is evidenced by the fact that I opted out of chasing 1320 pts in S2 LA.  I went back to winning 5 per day and quitting most of the rest 3 weeks into S1 and have never looked back. 

However, if I want to complete these FW trials (now or later), I will need to regear for quite a few of them, and I imagine, so will you.

regearing doesnt bother me so much as building out champs specifically for some of these trials. Ive already had to build I think 5 or 6 different champs. 

I have a really deep roster(221 60s) but some of these are making me dig deep to find champions that ive never even looked at and will never use again. Stun/sleep sets are to unreliable and will make a stage take 15 minutes manualing a1s while hoping for good rng, already messed up a couple doing this and accidentally winning without putting enough debuffs out.

18 май 2025, 03:5818.05.25
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dthorne04

I would presume it's tied to whatever glyph you're using. i.e. the old school 5* Speed will work just fine when it rolls 5. 

IIRC it should be tied to the maximum for the specific glyph you're using, as long as it satisfies the 5*+ requirement. I'll ask, though.


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Tested with a piece of gear of mine, as we can see, the green glyph gives a [MAX] staus even though a mythical glyph could get higher.

So... question resolved

18 май 2025, 04:2718.05.25
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dthorne04

I would presume it's tied to whatever glyph you're using. i.e. the old school 5* Speed will work just fine when it rolls 5. 

IIRC it should be tied to the maximum for the specific glyph you're using, as long as it satisfies the 5*+ requirement. I'll ask, though.

That is how I understand it.  

18 май 2025, 04:2918.05.25
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evilized6666

regearing doesnt bother me so much as building out champs specifically for some of these trials. Ive already had to build I think 5 or 6 different champs. 

I have a really deep roster(221 60s) but some of these are making me dig deep to find champions that ive never even looked at and will never use again. Stun/sleep sets are to unreliable and will make a stage take 15 minutes manualing a1s while hoping for good rng, already messed up a couple doing this and accidentally winning without putting enough debuffs out.

I made a preset earlier today for the Stun Trial on Hight Elves. Threw a fast stun set on Ambassador and turned off his A2 & A3. I wish all the stun requirements were that easy to handle.  

I already had him partially levelled for random Sintranos use. 

dthorne04Moderator
18 май 2025, 05:0318.05.25
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MooredRat


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Tested with a piece of gear of mine, as we can see, the green glyph gives a [MAX] staus even though a mythical glyph could get higher.

So... question resolved

Was gonna come back but you beat me to the punch. This is in line with what I was told, as well.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
18 май 2025, 22:5618.05.25
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dthorne04

as worded I'd presume you can expect to need to max roll with those glyphs to fulfill mission reqs, if you chose to use them (looking at the Get 10/30/40 [MAX] substat upgrades using Rank 5 or higher Glyphs missions)

I'm also going to guess this would be an insane outlier, someone pushing the Ramen missions AND being able to do hard FW/being at a stage where this is relevant (though there is the ongoing discussion about Tag being a gate for people in 2025)

if I'm misunderstanding something, please let me know. I don't see rarity being a requirement outside of having to max roll in the specific rarity you choose.

Id agree with that assumption.  Max for whatever rarity youre using.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
18 май 2025, 22:5718.05.25
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evilized6666

regearing doesnt bother me so much as building out champs specifically for some of these trials. Ive already had to build I think 5 or 6 different champs. 

I have a really deep roster(221 60s) but some of these are making me dig deep to find champions that ive never even looked at and will never use again. Stun/sleep sets are to unreliable and will make a stage take 15 minutes manualing a1s while hoping for good rng, already messed up a couple doing this and accidentally winning without putting enough debuffs out.

Regearing and building new champs, neither one bothers me.  I kind of always assume ill need to build new champs for new content.

18 май 2025, 23:2818.05.25
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ShortOnSkillz

Regearing and building new champs, neither one bothers me.  I kind of always assume ill need to build new champs for new content.

I dont disagree, its building some random epic like Zelotah so I can steam roll through a single faction war stage a single time. I enjoy building and gearing new champions but in this case it is for a single stage a single time. I have a old account and building a epic doesnt hurt me but its just more the annoyance of how niche it is