I fused Tormin, but got no legendary tomes. When / how are we supposed to get them?When he gets balanced ;)
Hi, my point of view about this nerfing dilema:
Give players, who fused Tormin, a chance to trade Tormin for Sir Nicholas if you nerf Tormin. This will be a nice gesture. Then every player has his own decision to get Sir Nic instead of nerfed Tormin (after direct nerf will be known).
Some players get Sir Nic (they wished him as a fusion hero before event), some players get Tormin even after beeing nerfed.
That's fair-play for me.
Happy New Year for all.
Aretha said:
Guys, it's very simple, just count the teams on Platinum arena which don't have Tormin. Do you know how many currently teams don't use it?
10 from 300 ! Is it balanced for you? I don't think so. Having such "must have" heroes in the game will just ruin it in the long term, so it's normal that Plarium fixes this imbalance.
I can understand the feeling of injustice when you invested so much (money or time and effort) and after all you get the notification that you wont get what you expected... everyone makes mistakes and delivering such strong hero quick without more tests was one of it, i think.
In any case the best they can do now is to fix this error and apologize - that's exactly what they are doing, right? May be they do it not good enough, but this is another subject.
What a stupid argument lol.
Count the amount of Arbiters? Why are you not talking about Arbiter? The best speed lead, best healer, best ressurecter, speed buffer everything lol, the difference is Arbiter is used EVERYWHERE, not just in arena ! If everyone had access to Hegemon it would be Arbiter, Hegemon, Tormin. The reason everyone is using Tormin is because he is very available and could be fused with small investment. He is top tier but he is NOT necessary.
He is good in arena, noone is denying that, that's it. Arena is 2% of this game, irrelevant. Anyone with IQ higher than room temperature wouldn't tryhard to get Platinum in a RNG based arena where you have no clue who your opponents are and what stats they have on their champions.
robertp6904 said:
cry... cry... cry... there you go, enjoy :)
robertp6904 said:
AirMaxxx said:
robertp6904 said:
cry... cry... cry... there you go, enjoy :)
Lol the irony is strong in this one. You are in every thread crying about Tormin lol!Dont you try to defend it! admit it´s OP and stop your nonsense.Ofcourse we need to be in every thread crying, if you don¨t see that you are blind.Another question, why are you in every thread about Tormin? are you afraid of the nerf that is coming?
You can't even handle Forum's basic quotation elements and you wanna talk about Tormin lol.
Beginners...
Upgrade your Resist a little and stop relying on your overpowered speed buffs = easy way to deal with Tormin and his team.
Once you understand the game mechanics and elements you'll see he is not that OP. Lol.
robertp6904 said:
Sure, I listen to you as a pro, thanks, but he still needs a nerf or don´t you agree?
As I said before - this game has many different modes. If Tormin is indeed OP in arena, which is again an irrelevant portion of the game for 99.9% of the people then he should get slightly nerfed there and buffed everywhere else because outside of the arena he is really mediocre or even bad champion unlike Sir Nicholas for example.
There should be an option to exchange Tormin for any Void legendary. Either that or allow full refunds for purchases.
2 books is not a real payment. Especially when you commit fraud this big. People spent real money and put in real time then you essentially pull a bait and switch. There were THREE separate summoning events/champion chase and TWO artifact enhancement each usually costing 20M silver each.
I reckon this whole thing made enough money for Plarium that a Class Action lawsuit for your victims should make sense.
Hi guys! I have read all of your comments, thank you for your thoughts and taking an active part in the discussion.
For now, we are not sure when exactly the adjustments that we need to bring will come into force, however, this all is taking longer than we thought because we need to think all changes through, test the champion thoroughly and make sure that he still remains a leverage in PvP meta-changing, as well as fits the specifics of the game balance. We will keep you informed about the champion's further fate.
Maybe it would be a good idea to involve your players in the buffs/nerfs you plan for champs.Hi guys! I have read all of your comments, thank you for your thoughts and taking an active part in the discussion.
For now, we are not sure when exactly the adjustments that we need to bring will come into force, however, this all is taking longer than we thought because we need to think all changes through, test the champion thoroughly and make sure that he still remains a leverage in PvP meta-changing, as well as fits the specifics of the game balance. We will keep you informed about the champion's further fate.
AirMaxxx said:
What a stupid argument lol.
Count the amount of Arbiters? Why are you not talking about Arbiter? ...
Let's talk about Arbitres, my dear opponent with "clever" arguments. I did the math for you, currently 167 teams from 300 in Platinum are not using it, so it's 44% usage, very far from Tormin's 97% usage.
Next time please, before making yourself ridiculous, do your homework.
...because he is very available and could be fused with small investment. He is top tier but he is NOT necessary.
Agree with you, 97% usage for Platina is a not necessary, it's a "must have" and that's what i call "imbalanced". Also, "small investment" is a debatable argument.
... Arena is 2% of this game, irrelevant. Anyone with IQ higher than room temperature wouldn't tryhard to get Platinum in a RNG based arena where you have no clue who your opponents are and what stats they have on their champions.
I like that "2%" argument, it looks like a very well "calculated", nice proof... of what exactly? Your perception of the game? What's another 98% of the game for you? Potions, campaigns, 4 keys of the clan boss? Or may be training food? Don't bother to respond, it's a rhetorical question.
So, I tried to find any valuable argument in your topic, which can explain that you quoted mine, but I did not find any, sorry.
My luck in summoning Legendaries has been terrible, Tormin was my chance to finally get a hero on my team worth using. All the money aside, I spent an unbelievable amount of hours farming for him, then the cost of upgrading him, and now ......
If this game is to evolve then change is necessary, Tormin helped to break up the speed team clones in Arena and let us test some new builds for a change. His passive may be a little OP but I feel we need more time to see how things balance b4 we start talking about nerf's.
im truly amazed at how aggressive the community has gotten due to an upcoming Tormin nerf. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out how broken he is. Take a look at Platinum arena tier where he is represented in approximately 99,5% of all teams. he is not a meta changer he IS the meta.
I´ve been in platinum several times, last week i was at rank 46 at highest. I was in platinum for roughly 4,5 days and i fought a total of ONE team that dident have Tormin in it. ( not counting 1 champ defence teams )
As someone who has always ran a high resistance tank team in arena ( originally due to lack of good aoe nukers ) im almost offended that anyone would suggest that speed meta was ever superior. Yes in early-midgame speed meta was and still is dominant however at the highest level tank teams were never inferior at all. Tank teams are simply way more resource heavy to build and Tormin is a champion that was introduced to deal with a problem that was always none existant at the relevant levels.
Its not that i cant beat Tormin teams, i had roughly a 94-96% winrate in platinum with about 250 matches played give or take but its hilariously repetitive to fight that walking slotmachine. If Tormin had been a shard exclusive legendary he would´ve been perfectly balanced just like hegemon, nicholas and all the rest. balanced by extreme rarity basicly and if i saw just as few tormins as i see nicholas i certainly wouldnt have any problems with him at all. Ontop of that Tormin is superior to both hegemon and nicholas by a landslide.
The problem with Tormin is that he turns the entire arena into a slotmachine where its purely RNG based. now some people like to say "just build resistance" im sitting at between 400-450 resistance across the board and usually its not enough. Tormin is probally THE easiest champion in the game to build as you literarelly only need one stat on him. namely accuracy. you can keep him at base speed with base stats as they are utterly irrelevant.
Its disgusting to see how self entitled people are to a champion that clearly negatively impacts the game experience. My suggestion for balancing Tormin would be to change his passive to ONLY activate on TM boosting buffs and no other buffs what so ever. he was built to counter the imaginary problem of a speed meta. atm he counters everything. ontop of countering speed teams he´d still have his taunt and he´d still have his freeze on A1 which is still far more than most champions has in their kits. make people have to build real teams again rather than a champion that comes with an all inclusive kit absent weaknesses.
The Halloween fusion Jack was a perfect example of a good fusion, he has his uses but he is not an auto include into every teamcomp. stop releasing toptier fusions entirely and only do midtier fusions and let the toptiers stay in shards.
Intill Tormin is fixed im not going to personally bother with platinum tier but instead im going to sit with 1 champion defence n grind 3 secound auto battles for medals.
/Samcruel
I think a reasonable nerf for Tormin would be that his freeze from his passive will have a cool down of 1 turn once it triggered. There are actually so many champs that could cleanse his feezes but mostly this champs have additional effects like turn meter increase or healing that could cause the next freeze, which makes no sense at all. Doompriest or Mausoleum Mage... I was hoping so much to have two champs here I could use against Tormin but with their cleanses... comes the next freeze.
I think I need to wait to pull certain champs and build a counter team only for and around tormin, like JGigs described in his youtube video:
