Yeah don't get compound beams 16

I forgot to mention. If you're concerned about people quitting think about how many people could be quitting ay midgame. Most people aren't thinking about what the game like will be for them in the months or years in the future when they got all the powerful equipment. They're thinking about how the game feels to play for them RIGHT NOW. And when you have tons of people saying the game isn't fun for them right now, you've got a problem.

And you can once again say "learn to counter it" but know that  when you say that about seeker you're basically telling someone to learn to counter lag. You can minimize lag, but lag also just exists.

BAAB makes a good point regarding play satisfaction for new and middle level players, and I agree that their needs should be considered (I fall in that bracket I think, with an SP hovering around 6k). However I strongly feel the main reason we even see these discussions to nerf specific mechs and weapons is matchmaking. And because Plarium is not addressing matchmaking it seems to me that people, especially new-ish players, naturally focus on what they immediately experience.

Seeker is a good example. As a low level player you shouldn't even be facing it (the fact that you face it at all is the real problem). Even as a mid level player with good gear I detested seeker originally, always getting caught off-guard. But when I learned how to counter it (and no it is not learning how to counter lag :-) ), I not only stopped worrying about it but also stopped yearning for it. Do I sometimes still die to it? Of course. That's part of the fun of the game.

It is important for people on both sides of the argument to listen to each other. Just as important as it is to acknowledge when somebody is facing a difficulty against a mech, it's just as important (and useful) for that person to hear the people that are trying to help them deal with it. There will be instances when the more experience players will agree with you for sure. (E.g. compound beams are so obviously in need a nerf if it makes sense that hemlock got a nerf). But if they don't outright agree it could be there's a reason for that :-).

Finally, because Plarium is not addressing matchmaking, is there a compromise solution? Maybe one compromise is to nerf such mechs and weapons only at lower ranks, but they can't do what they did with nomad and dreadnaught which was to over-nerf every rank except max. It would need to be better thought out, which honestly might itself be expecting too much :-).

Omg.. so much about nothing.. i didnt even find powers to read all arguments but here is my point of view.

I agree with Terminator, Seeker should not be nerfed, its fine. And the way i judge it is from Hangar Showdown, sometimes i kill it with Sniper weapon, and if a mech with close quarters can not kill sniper means its not overpowered. End of story. No ifs no buts. Both players have no mods, its the best testing arena there can be to see what needs nerfed and what is not.

I agree with tar, the reason lower tiers are complaining about Seekers is not because they are OP but because they encounter retarded SP droppers fully moded and with legendary implants. When i meet such Seeker in Tournament with my 6k hangar because its stupid Grandmaster playing in expert league, i cant even break its shield for the whole duration of its appearance and it does feel overpowered. So the problem is that Developers permit SP dropping, it does not mean that everything needs nerfing so that poor Paragon could cope with it. It means that Paragon should not face Seeker at all.

And for the BAAB i dont think you listen to anyone what they saying to you so there is not much point to have this conversation further for me. And a player who thinks that it was a good thing that Nomad was nerfed says it all, if you were developer you would do the same retarded things instead of fixing matchmaking that puts people against SP droppers. 

It's a shame you won't read my arguments. I feel like I made some good ones. But terminator was insufferable so I had to call him a fucking idiot, and nobody wants to read a heated argument where insults are being thrown.

If I was a developer I would fix the matchmaking and I could fix it because I would actually know what to fix because I'd listen to the community when they told me what the problem is, which I have already said is the damn power ratings on every item in game being absolutely meaningless.

But the devs are too inept to do that. They won't even acknowledge that's the problem. They won't even give a passing acknowledgment to players that point out the actual problem. The least they could do is NERF stuff so it's not so oppressive at low ranks. 

Dreadnaught and Nomad only got their ability damage NERFed. And Nomad only got it NERFed to be similar to the mechs unlocked at respective star ranks. So it's even less than nomad. Far from unusable and untouched at max. And like I said what really ruined their usage is they got power crept. Oh well and dreadnought was hardly usable at max to begin with IIR.

Yeah I agree actually to be fair, I think they should just nerf things at lower stars, like less damage longer cooldowns and ability, and less power for weapons, but once they reach 6 stars to max then everything should perform as it was intended too, so at least then lower players aren't feeling things are over powered, it might also stop sp droppers and also bigger hanger players won't be bothered about the nerfs because when those things get to 6 star rank then they will perform as normal 

They definitely need to fix tournaments, I dont have the problem of facing stronger players, I play in the grandmaster ranks and I'm as strong as the top players, but I only ever lose because sometimes a 8k to 10k hanger player is in grandmaster 3 and I get paired with them and we face all 20k plus hangers, so I can't fight them all on my own, no one with a hanger less than 15k should be anywhere near grandmaster, so they maybe need to make hanger power limits for each ranks, showdown is the same too, so my times I get paired with players using 5 star mech in league one with hardly any mods and low weapons, but opponents are always my level at 20k, these are the only times I ever lose matches because my teamates are too weak to play against 20k plus hangers, it's so frustrating 🙄 

Please don't nerf my Boi seeker in fact his tracking and teleporting could use some work especially with scot mechs that can jump up on certain platforms and camp up there.( lacewing i looking at you)

Nah nah nah

It doesn't need to have more coverage on its teleport

I think seeker is not that op and is abilily easy to counter but a seeker with ember Guns or rewoker is realy hard to counter