I think the bigger problem is the over powered weapons on the Eclipse... the Revoker.  You take away the revoker and the Eclipse becomes more managable and more balanced.   

I agree the Eclipse is the counter for stun mechs and that in itself is not real overpowered, without Revokers you have several counters including the crash mechanic.  Crash does nothing vs the revoker. 

Didn't bother reading. GFURS.

Agreed—Eclipse feels overpowered in Hanger Showdown. Its short cooldown and speed boost make counters weak. Balancing cooldowns or ability effects could help make all legendary mechs equally viable. 

Guardian can help with eclipes 

Yeah this is similar to what I wrote in a reply to the rebalance announcement post. The devs should look at the whole package. Yes Eclipse is super strong and is the first pick in most games, but let's not forget that it's Eclipse+revoker that is the first pick. Nerf accordingly. The other thing to factor in is other game modes. Making decisions that make things more balanced in hangar showdown but less so in other modes is not the way to go.

I have eclipse from the crate rush, but it's not super good unless you get revokers. Revokers, Surge, Nomad, and Seeker are broken.

I've enjoyed it with overdriver, mini gun and pod gun.

By the way recently I've been seeing a sort of semi SP dropping, even at around 5k SP. Rank 6 Eclipses + revokers with full mods, and the rest of the hangar less spectacular. Total domination in FFA. I don't consider that a problem with Eclipse per se, but a problem with their matchmaking and tacit acceptance of SP dropping. But I mention it because it is probably one reason why people think Eclipse is more broken than it actually might be. 

Hanger showdown is such a unique situation. Some of what I say about Eclipse is probably attributed to people with 4 gold mods and dual revoker 10s or 12s. Being i have only 1 legendary mech with 3 mods, and the rest 5 stars, I generally get killed before I get through their shield.

Don't tell me to drop to league 2. I still get more rewards at league 1.

U know u did. Gtfo of here with that pretending to be above it. U ain't. You a paid player remember that.

Nah. I'm an old man. Was on the netz while you were still crapping yourself and it was the wild . I lack any curiosity to read bs from people who have shown themselves to malicious cretins without character. Gophers.

I agree 

Also, you realize that you took 10% of it's hp.

Can I have 

You shouldn't be in league 1 with only one legendary mech and all others 5 star with no mods, league 1 is for all legendary mech with purple 7 stars and with all 4 mods and 12s or 16s weapons, so you'll definitely be beat nearly every time in league 1 with your hanger

So either drop down a league or stop complaining,

the point of any game is for things to be more powerful than other things so us advanced players can use them, not our fault ur hanger is low, it's ur fault for playing in league 1 when league 1 is for advanced players 

I need a eclipse 

But you can counter Eclipse with Nomad

Exactly, I kill every eclipse easy with my maxed nomad an two ember 12s, 2 or 3 shots and a smash an they're gone, eclipse is quite weak tbh when it comes to high power weapons, if anything it needs hp buffing

Woohoo they did it. They NERFed Eclipse by making a mech that debuffs it even while it's ability is active even though Eclipse's ability is supposed to negate debuffs

Rules are meant to be broken apparently :-). There's another thread about guided weapons where also some broken rules are discussed.

I own eclipse, and surge.

It's ridiculous.

Now, my eclipse isn't maxed (only need 9 more bp!), so I still have to be wary of storm rack if I have the low ground.

However, regardless, it's still pretty OP. It's my top mech, even though my surge is maxed and therfore should be better.

I agree it definitely needs more counters, and surge too. Thing with eclipse is eclipse is the counter to basically everything, which is still a good idea to have in terms of balance. But obviously that also makes it quite difficult to balance.

Probably, the way I'd balance it anyway would be to spread out counters, for surge too. Part of the thing that makes eclipse so strong is because surge (EMP in general) is so strong.

Personally, I don't like Blizzf***'s (yes I'm referring to it as that now) counter, because it just counters eclipse by literally ignoring it's ability.

I'd want outlaw's ability to be more like a weird space ripple (similar to a particular thing from Murder Drones ep3) that crashes everything in its path.

Another thing is how mods scale for the less max hp you have, which means eclipse's mods are stronger than bastion's, which is totally dumb imo.