There are at least 2 ways to deal with eclipse - waiting/evading (so that you can apply your ability on them), and using mid range weapons. I have decent success against enemy eclipses by using storm racks or cryo launchers.

Waiting may seem like a lame strategy but it sometimes applies to other mechs as well (deathwalker and parasite are two that come to mind).

No comment on how much the cooldown should be. Haven't thought about it.

In Hanger, waiting is usually not an option because the opponent activates their ability immediately and reaches you within seconds. If your teamate doesn't have you covered, you are toast. If you are able to wait them out, the cool down is so short, you dont have time to flush them out of hiding.

In Control Point, it's different because you have 5 people focused on taking it down.

I don't have storm racks. I've had more success with fragment gun than revoker if they are aggressive, because I'm more likely to hit.

However, in Hanger you have to get lucky by equipping the mech with storm rack/cryo launcher at the same time as the Eclipse.

The funny thing with Overdriver is even if I look like im hitting them way out of revoker range, they still run right up and kill me. On death I see they've taken almost no damage.

Just turning off the increased speed may be enough tweek.

Yeah those are good points. I reread my post and it incorrectly sounds like I'm saying an eclipse balance is unnecessary. I'll clarify that some sort of rebalance wouldn't hurt :-).. but it shouldn't be limited to eclipse. There's a lot of stuff that could do with a revisit both for buffing and nerfing. 

By the way, if you have the option, miniguns sometimes work against a charging eclipse. Like the fragment gun, the spread helps deal some damage without needing to be pinpoint accurate (but before you are in range of their ubiquitous revoker). The reason I also like storm racks and cryos though is that you can hit them even if they are not in line of sight (aoe damage).

Eclipse has too much energy capacity for how good its ability is

That's true too. When my opponent in Hanger is an eclipse with dual revoker 10, I'm out in seconds. Why does eclipse get so much energy? 

Maybe for Hanger, the matching system needs tweaking, which I've heard many complaints already. In whatever calculation, Eclipse should be given extra points.

Seeker is the one I'd nerf. The problem with seeker is its damage isn't fixed so it can kill you in one shot. I've never had a serious problem with eclipse, normally because I carry mid-range weapons that shoot straight which means I have to be close to the battle, and have other mechs around me and I need a straight line of sight so I can see one approaching and kill it before it kills me.

But I dunno, the game doesn't interest me as much, most probably because my style of play becomes useless at a certain point.

Just remembered in my last game an Eclipse killed me with its revokes, and so I got mine out (I have one as an assassin to get players killing every bot on my side with missles from the otherside of the map) and the bot had less than a quarter of its health left after I had hammered it, so my fresh revoker went toe to toe with it and it was a simultaneous ko, so you can imagine how high powered the bot was.

For whatever reason a premium mech can't be short on firepower even if it has arguably the best ability in the game

I just finished 5 Hanger matches and we won a single round. Not exaggerating, every round the opponents had either eclipse, hemlock, or surge. Surge being the fewest of the 3. Often it was hemlock/eclipse.

I swapped revoker for cryolauncher on bastion. Best I could do on eclipse is about 40% damage.

One found the eclipse charged and killed my opponent and immediately charged and killed me, both before its ability expired.

Hanger getting to be sued waste of time.

Maybe they should have s Hanger event soley for eclipse, hemlock, and surge, and a separate Hanger for everyone else.

Those of you saying you have pretty good chances versus Eclipse, well I have not seen it with any of my teammates.

I think pod gun and hornet should be attracted to eclipse because they aren't guided weapons. Phase cloak should not affect them. 

This is comical. I did 5 more matches, won 1-2 rounds total.

Once killed by eclipse with dual revoker 12s. In one match I faced eclipse/hemlock in round 1, then hemlock/eclipse in round 2. Another match it was my team as bastian/deathwalker vs eclipse/eclipse.

My hangercstar count is 26. I have no mods. If I swapped Zephyr for tengu, my tongue has mods. My teammates have had mods. It didn't help them versus eclipse. The neverending eclipse and hemlocks just started happening. Even a day ago, I won half my matches. But I starred up a mech or 2, so maybe the system is pairing me different. Nevertheless, my teammates with stronger mechs/weapons, fare no better.

It is rare for a team with eclipse to lose a round.

Just a wild guess here but at 26 stars you're probably at the lower end of hangar strength in league 1, and that's probably the main problem. You should either find a way to have at least three strong mechs at purple stars and mods, or switch to league 2 until needed.

You will face some difficulties in league 2, including people SP dropping to an extent, but it's more manageable since it doesn't happen all the time.

Yes, I'm at the low end. For a while I was doing ok and the 5x points was worth it, but it switched overnight. Seems to correspond with going from 24 stars to 26 stars, plus upping a couple weapons to 5 stars. Plus, I only have mods on Tengu. Plus plus a couple mechs Im nit utilizing max energy. Lol so this could explain some, but eclipse still needs a tweak.

Actually, I noticed the change in Control Point too. I rarely saw surge, eclipse, or hemlock until a couple days ago.

I'm wondering how beam weapons are on eclipse? Easier to keep a beam on them at distance?

Nade/cryo launcher for some reason I just cant seem to damage anything, much less eclipse. Lol

Yeah, you think upgrading would make the game better but it makes it worse. The bots begin to take more of the top spots, and if your build is wrong you'll never win against humans since their bots will be killers and yours will be idiots.

The worst part is the game corralling you into certain builds. I like weapons that shoot straight, and with my play I try to use dreadshot, but of course they have made it a shit weapon, so why even have it as an option if using it is like a ball and chain? But it's what I choose to use and they should matchmake so it is a viable weapon. Because I should be able to use any build and be matched appropriately. 

Infact since I don't have a chance of getting to first division anymore thanks to their matchmaking as soon as I see a human opponent I leave the battle. I only ever had a 10% chance of beating them so I was just fighting not to lose points, but now 90% of the time I'm still going to lose points as the bots take the top spots. I'm I that bad a player? I don't think so. 

Yeah, fun is the point. I dont mind bots. What I hate is doing 10 kills and my bots have a total of 3 and we lose the match to the other team of 1 human and apparently superior bots.

On eclipse, it's definitely easier to kill in control point.

I had success at hanger today. I notice yes, my weapons are underpowered. I utilize 14-22 energy, and opponents generally had 24 or even more. I think a big reason im not doing significant damage to eclipse is due to mods. We did gace 2 eclipse tonight and won though.

I went back to Tengu over Zephyr. I can never estimate distance well for the ability. T can dual with eclipse, but my revokers 8/6 are insufficient. 

Yeah, it's bad when you dump all you mags into a bot and it just stares at you then kills you in a second while your 10 second reload has just started.

"I think a big reason im not doing significant damage to eclipse is due to mods"

Yeah, and considering only one in your hangar has mods that makes it worse. I made a conscious choice when mods came out not to use them for as long as possible. I never liked the concept, and their intro made playing less fun IMO since our weapon choices are now severely limited. As a result I'll not be playing in league 1 for the foreseeable future. I enjoy trying out different weapons and builds when possible, but with mods you have to stick to a formula.

It makes things a bit challenging for me when facing human opponents (who always have mods at my SP) in 5v5 and CPC but I can live with that for now.

And I second what another poster wrote - the game makes you believe that upgrading mechs will work in your favor. But it's the opposite for lower tier mechs almost all the time. And for higher tiers you have to be careful, making sure you have the right weapons and enough mod parts first, and balancing your upgrades rather than focusing on a single mech or weapon.