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Sep 17, 2022, 02:4409/17/22
02/11/21
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How much more accuracy? (550+ seems to be the answer)

I have 462 ACC on Geo, with Tuhanarak lead (+70), and he can't land the HP Burn on the Iron Twins of weak affinity. Landed once out of 15-20 attempts. What is this, a bug? Is everybody running 550+ ACC Geomancers out there?

EDIT: At 482 + Tuhanarak lead, he seems to be landing consistently. Got a 3* Goremask soul with that Immortal Soulstone lol

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Sep 17, 2022, 03:0009/17/22
02/11/21
932

Ok, this has to be a bug because he lands a Weaken very consistently.....at least 2 out of 3 times, it seems. But the HP burn won't land to save his life? What am I forgetting?

Sep 17, 2022, 03:2109/17/22
Sep 17, 2022, 03:24(edited)
06/20/19
2181

Booked he places the hp burn but only 50% on the weaken.  odd that you place the weaken consistently but not the burn.  Mine is 597.

Sep 17, 2022, 03:2509/17/22
02/11/21
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Angwil

Booked he places the hp burn but only 50% on the weaken.  odd that you place the weaken consistently but not the burn.  Mine is 597.

His land chance is 100% for both, I think you mean that his Weaken is 25%, not the chance to land it. Even still, you'd think he would land HP Burn at least as consistently. Need to work on that Great Hall and raid lower levels, I guess. 

Sep 17, 2022, 03:2709/17/22
06/20/19
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Balltazer

His land chance is 100% for both, I think you mean that his Weaken is 25%, not the chance to land it. Even still, you'd think he would land HP Burn at least as consistently. Need to work on that Great Hall and raid lower levels, I guess. 

Lol, my mistake.  Sleep deprecation getting to me.

Sep 17, 2022, 03:2909/17/22
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Angwil

Lol, my mistake.  Sleep deprecation getting to me.

Get some coffee in you.....removes Sleep debuff for 4 hours on a 2 cup cooldown :)

Sep 17, 2022, 03:3309/17/22
06/25/20
7027

What stage? Affinity plays no role for geo. Stage 15? Iirc you need 550+, yes. HH has the stats. 

Sep 17, 2022, 04:0009/17/22
02/11/21
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kramaswamy.kr

What stage? Affinity plays no role for geo. Stage 15? Iirc you need 550+, yes. HH has the stats. 

Appreciate that. Yeah, I found the stats on Reddit. I just meant affinity with relation to weak hits. Yeah, I stole a crit damage amulet from Gala because it has better ACC stats, pushed his ACC to 482 + Tuhanarak in the lead. That did it. I'm not planning on farming stage 15 quite yet, but wanted to get that soulstone out of the way. 

 

Sep 17, 2022, 04:3909/17/22
06/25/20
7027
Balltazer

Appreciate that. Yeah, I found the stats on Reddit. I just meant affinity with relation to weak hits. Yeah, I stole a crit damage amulet from Gala because it has better ACC stats, pushed his ACC to 482 + Tuhanarak in the lead. That did it. I'm not planning on farming stage 15 quite yet, but wanted to get that soulstone out of the way. 

 

Geo a3 cannot weak hit :)

Sep 17, 2022, 07:1109/17/22
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kramaswamy.kr

Geo a3 cannot weak hit :)

Oh yeah, he just places it, doesn't he. Slipped my mind completely. 

harleQuinnModerator
Sep 19, 2022, 08:0609/19/22
02/24/19
8091

550 on everything but Magic. Magic you seem to need 650 to guarantee a debuff. 0_o

Sep 19, 2022, 15:2109/19/22
02/11/21
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harleQuinn

550 on everything but Magic. Magic you seem to need 650 to guarantee a debuff. 0_o

I saw a few videos contemplating the relevance of Increase RES champs, but I'm thinking Lower RES champs are becoming more relevant because of these insane ACC requirements. It's not that the ACC is unattainable, but we are talking about building champs specifically for Iron Twins. For me, that's regearing and remastering Geo and Stag Knight, as well as keeping Tuhanarak in the lead until my Great Hall ACC is finished.

I'm starting to look at my lvl50 Deliana like "start warming up, girl, you might be next"

Sep 19, 2022, 16:0809/19/22
06/25/20
7027

Lower RES is useful, yes, but you still need enough accuracy to land it. And that's harder to do without increase ACC :)

Sep 19, 2022, 16:1509/19/22
02/11/21
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kramaswamy.kr

Lower RES is useful, yes, but you still need enough accuracy to land it. And that's harder to do without increase ACC :)

I feel like mathematically, Decrease Res by 50% would have more impact than Increase ACC by 50%. Obviously depends on the Acc you already have on it, which we can assume is UNM CB ACC on Geo, which is around 250-300, I guess. Even boosting 300 by 50% gives us 450 ACC. Lowering Iron Twins 550 Res by 50% should bring us to 225 Res, unless I'm misunderstanding the mechanics of Decrease Res (I have no experience with the debuff). 

Sep 19, 2022, 16:3009/19/22
12/19/19
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Balltazer

I feel like mathematically, Decrease Res by 50% would have more impact than Increase ACC by 50%. Obviously depends on the Acc you already have on it, which we can assume is UNM CB ACC on Geo, which is around 250-300, I guess. Even boosting 300 by 50% gives us 450 ACC. Lowering Iron Twins 550 Res by 50% should bring us to 225 Res, unless I'm misunderstanding the mechanics of Decrease Res (I have no experience with the debuff). 

Lol. Kram is saying good luck lowering the res without increasing your accuracy  :) And then repeating after it is cleansed.  Always easier to buff yourself, especially against opponent that doesn't remove your buffs. 

Id say block damage with painkeepers is best current strategy, until BD is nerfed with unkillable. 

None of my geo comps are better than 90pct as:

1. No team presets available... still waiting for this qol

2. Geo not speed tuned with kimi correctly and/or reflex set

3. Most of my good champs for this are built for hydra with WM/GS


I will lose an extra 20/40 energy per day for now with a loss or 2.

My guess is no immediate nerf of BD, but expect a back door nerf with 5 new levels like potion keeps. I would also anticipate geo being rear-ended 😆 for these new levels... it seems stupid that he and only he is that OP against this?


Sep 19, 2022, 16:4409/19/22
Sep 19, 2022, 16:56(edited)
02/11/21
932
Trips

Lol. Kram is saying good luck lowering the res without increasing your accuracy  :) And then repeating after it is cleansed.  Always easier to buff yourself, especially against opponent that doesn't remove your buffs. 

Id say block damage with painkeepers is best current strategy, until BD is nerfed with unkillable. 

None of my geo comps are better than 90pct as:

1. No team presets available... still waiting for this qol

2. Geo not speed tuned with kimi correctly and/or reflex set

3. Most of my good champs for this are built for hydra with WM/GS


I will lose an extra 20/40 energy per day for now with a loss or 2.

My guess is no immediate nerf of BD, but expect a back door nerf with 5 new levels like potion keeps. I would also anticipate geo being rear-ended 😆 for these new levels... it seems stupid that he and only he is that OP against this?


Gotcha. I misunderstood his comment. That's why I was eyeballing Deliana, her passive increases her ACC with HP, and I figured just building her for Iron Twins is easier than gearing several champs for it (mainly Geo and Decrease Speed champ). I beat all the 15s, I think, I may just go down to farming lower levels (13-14). They don't seem as bad.

Sep 19, 2022, 16:5209/19/22
12/19/19
6989

Forgot about the passive, I am out of keys but I will test out deliana the next couple days.  The cleanse is the bigger problem though.  Just adds more rng and/or forces manual run if u want 100pct success. 


Sep 19, 2022, 16:5709/19/22
06/20/19
2181
Trips

Lol. Kram is saying good luck lowering the res without increasing your accuracy  :) And then repeating after it is cleansed.  Always easier to buff yourself, especially against opponent that doesn't remove your buffs. 

Id say block damage with painkeepers is best current strategy, until BD is nerfed with unkillable. 

None of my geo comps are better than 90pct as:

1. No team presets available... still waiting for this qol

2. Geo not speed tuned with kimi correctly and/or reflex set

3. Most of my good champs for this are built for hydra with WM/GS


I will lose an extra 20/40 energy per day for now with a loss or 2.

My guess is no immediate nerf of BD, but expect a back door nerf with 5 new levels like potion keeps. I would also anticipate geo being rear-ended 😆 for these new levels... it seems stupid that he and only he is that OP against this?


I do not know how they did/plan to stop paragon, or if it has already been done or soon to be.  But as of now there has been no nerf of unk.  Works great.  Or has the paragon cheese not yet been nerfed?

Sep 19, 2022, 16:5709/19/22
02/11/21
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Trips

Forgot about the passive, I am out of keys but I will test out deliana the next couple days.  The cleanse is the bigger problem though.  Just adds more rng and/or forces manual run if u want 100pct success. 


I ran manual on all my lvl15s, just to make sure. I can auto lvl 13, maybe 14 on some. Everything up to lvl14, I used Duchess in the lead. 14 and 15, I had to add Tuhanarak for the aura.

harleQuinnModerator
Sep 19, 2022, 21:5409/19/22
02/24/19
8091
Angwil

I do not know how they did/plan to stop paragon, or if it has already been done or soon to be.  But as of now there has been no nerf of unk.  Works great.  Or has the paragon cheese not yet been nerfed?

It has not yet, no. The warning shot was signaled long before the change, so that people stopped building him.

Sep 19, 2022, 22:1509/19/22
10/15/20
871

I run geo with 525 accuracy, but i always run mithrala aura which gives over 600

I actually find level 15 quite challenging, if i manual it (controlling when buffs are used etc) then i am 100% but if i stick it on auto then i have maybe 1 in 5 go wrong, which is a pain.