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dthorne04Moderator
Mar 7, 2023, 23:0703/07/23
12/30/20
7533
kramaswamy.kr

One thing to remember about Galek - the passive has a 4-turn cooldown. I'm not really seeing him being a monster in Hydra as a result. I think he fills basically the same role Ninja does. The passive acts as the cooldown-reducing A3 that Ninja has, and the A3 does the HPburn-part of the A2 from Ninja. The ATK up on his A2 is largely irrelevant, I think. The only big thing is the block buffs part - so I'll give you that he'll fill the role better than Ninja, an open up a bit more design space for the team, but I don't see him as being a big gamechanger here.

Speed tuning, Relentless, etc.

Galek looks like he's going to be markedly better in important difficulties in Hydra than Ninja and if the passive is the only thing we're picking at, then that says a lot about just how good he is. I see him being an absolute monster in the high turn count comps which are 100% going to be relevant for Brutal/NM now, and UNM later. 

The A2 looks like a tremendous way to blast through damage and fast. It being random seems beneficial versus Mischief, too. I think you're underselling the A3 speed down, even if it's conditional. That kit is sweet. :)

Mar 7, 2023, 23:1203/07/23
06/25/20
7024
dthorne04

Speed tuning, Relentless, etc.

Galek looks like he's going to be markedly better in important difficulties in Hydra than Ninja and if the passive is the only thing we're picking at, then that says a lot about just how good he is. I see him being an absolute monster in the high turn count comps which are 100% going to be relevant for Brutal/NM now, and UNM later. 

The A2 looks like a tremendous way to blast through damage and fast. It being random seems beneficial versus Mischief, too. I think you're underselling the A3 speed down, even if it's conditional. That kit is sweet. :)

I'm not really seeing it. The a2 is four attacks instead of three from Ninja, but it doesn't place HP burn along with doing the damage. The A3 does an AOE hpburn, but doesn't detonate anything. Since ATK isn't really being considered here as they'll largely be speedy high-acc champs, I don't really envision him as having a hugely higher damage output. And without the passive triggering, Ninja's A2 is going to be activating more often, which should make up for the three attacks vs four part.

Now I will give you the speed down part being helpful, especially alongside the block buffs part. The question is whether those two together can allow him to essentially free up a slot entirely, or whether they'll just end up being extra fallback on what you'd otherwise be already running. EG, the speed down doesn't really matter much if you're already running Kimi, and the block buffs doesn't really matter much if you're already running Ukko.

harleQuinnModerator
Mar 7, 2023, 23:2003/07/23
02/24/19
8091
dthorne04

Speed tuning, Relentless, etc.

Galek looks like he's going to be markedly better in important difficulties in Hydra than Ninja and if the passive is the only thing we're picking at, then that says a lot about just how good he is. I see him being an absolute monster in the high turn count comps which are 100% going to be relevant for Brutal/NM now, and UNM later. 

The A2 looks like a tremendous way to blast through damage and fast. It being random seems beneficial versus Mischief, too. I think you're underselling the A3 speed down, even if it's conditional. That kit is sweet. :)

Speed down is just so very important.

harleQuinnModerator
Mar 7, 2023, 23:2103/07/23
02/24/19
8091
kramaswamy.kr

I'm not really seeing it. The a2 is four attacks instead of three from Ninja, but it doesn't place HP burn along with doing the damage. The A3 does an AOE hpburn, but doesn't detonate anything. Since ATK isn't really being considered here as they'll largely be speedy high-acc champs, I don't really envision him as having a hugely higher damage output. And without the passive triggering, Ninja's A2 is going to be activating more often, which should make up for the three attacks vs four part.

Now I will give you the speed down part being helpful, especially alongside the block buffs part. The question is whether those two together can allow him to essentially free up a slot entirely, or whether they'll just end up being extra fallback on what you'd otherwise be already running. EG, the speed down doesn't really matter much if you're already running Kimi, and the block buffs doesn't really matter much if you're already running Ukko.

Ukko loves to weak hit with his block buffs. Enough that you need to bring a second in if you want truly stable runs. I hate run RNG. Would like to one and done my Hydra.

dthorne04Moderator
Mar 7, 2023, 23:2503/07/23
12/30/20
7533
harleQuinn

Ukko loves to weak hit with his block buffs. Enough that you need to bring a second in if you want truly stable runs. I hate run RNG. Would like to one and done my Hydra.

very much this, and comps/rotations in which I can slide Galek in for Uugo and get a DPS to go along with eveyrthing else he brings...

Mar 7, 2023, 23:2803/07/23
12/19/19
6967

ukko sucks in hydra lol, pvp champ

harleQuinnModerator
Mar 7, 2023, 23:2903/07/23
02/24/19
8091
dthorne04

very much this, and comps/rotations in which I can slide Galek in for Uugo and get a DPS to go along with eveyrthing else he brings...

This is assuming any of us get him. Void leggos aren't easy to find for close to F2P people. 

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Mar 7, 2023, 23:4003/07/23
06/25/20
7024

I'd say "we'll see" - but we all know we won't actually see any of these champs, ever :)

dthorne04Moderator
Mar 7, 2023, 23:4503/07/23
12/30/20
7533
Trips

ukko sucks in hydra lol, pvp champ

let's pump the brakes there 😂

Mar 8, 2023, 01:5103/08/23
06/05/22
433
kramaswamy.kr

I think the unresistable part of Kael's kit can't be understated. I can absolutely see future content having increasingly absurd resists, to the point where having a champ that can place all those debuffs as well as reduce damage *significantly, will be very important.

Seconding this. One of my low-key favorite champs is walking tomb Dreng. It's just so easy to build him absurdly tanky. He's wearing my best bolster set.

Kael will be at maximum survivability/damage in easy content without wasting stats on acc, but still scale seamlessly to harder content. Striking an entire stat from consideration is a HUGE deal. Can't wait to get my Mithrala in 3-4 weeks.

Mar 8, 2023, 03:2603/08/23
02/11/22
535

Most of the people will have Elhain as their true favorite, even if her kit is maybe the weakest. Cuz unless you got 1000 void shards to pull for 10x featuring those other 3, it ain't happening guys, you just won't get these champions.

harleQuinnModerator
Mar 8, 2023, 03:5603/08/23
02/24/19
8091
Trips

ukko sucks in hydra lol, pvp champ

Champ evaluation as suspect as always buddy.... as suspect as always. :D

Mar 8, 2023, 05:3003/08/23
04/24/22
820

So 1 is a fusion , rest just added to void shard pull ? That feels kinda ... bad .. figured we'd at least have equal opportunity to get them (next 3 fusions would be the other 3 , or pick the one you want to fuse type of fusion)

Now im certainly skipping this months fusion again , and all hype for the new legendary version of the starter champ is gone to me ! 


Mar 8, 2023, 11:1103/08/23
11/19/22
619
Swiftblade

Most of the people will have Elhain as their true favorite, even if her kit is maybe the weakest. Cuz unless you got 1000 void shards to pull for 10x featuring those other 3, it ain't happening guys, you just won't get these champions.

I really hope that's not the case - was looking forward to the possibility of tackling fusions for each, to try and add them all to my box. Additionally, would there be much demand for a 10x shard pull for the others when there are clearly better void legendaries out there? 

In the meantime, Elhain could be good for me clearing waves in DT, as I'm already putting a lot of debuffs on them. Athel could be good for normal spider, and as she was my starter champ I have a soft spot for her and would have liked to collect her - no way enough void shards if that's the only way to get her though.  Galek remainds me of Ultimate Galek with his HP burn focus, though I've not used him much yet. Kael looks to me to be useful for farming Iron Twins, and again would have been nice to have the option to fuse.

Mar 9, 2023, 05:4303/09/23
05/03/20
2044

Wlll these be released for fusion in the order presented in the OP?

harleQuinnModerator
Mar 9, 2023, 06:1203/09/23
Mar 9, 2023, 06:12(edited)
02/24/19
8091
ClosedPoly

Wlll these be released for fusion in the order presented in the OP?

I definitely didn't say there would be any fusions beyond Supreme Elhain.

I'd love to see more ways to get the others, but I know of no way right now outside of Void Shards.

Mar 9, 2023, 13:0103/09/23
06/05/22
433
harleQuinn

I definitely didn't say there would be any fusions beyond Supreme Elhain.

I'd love to see more ways to get the others, but I know of no way right now outside of Void Shards.

That's too bad. I think it would have been really cool to be able to choose one of the four to fuse. Would have been easy to implement with fragments.

harleQuinnModerator
Mar 9, 2023, 13:1703/09/23
02/24/19
8091
Urlibu FTP

That's too bad. I think it would have been really cool to be able to choose one of the four to fuse. Would have been easy to implement with fragments.

Perhaps there will be some other ways to snag them. All up in the air right now. :)

Mar 9, 2023, 13:3503/09/23
06/05/22
433
harleQuinn

Perhaps there will be some other ways to snag them. All up in the air right now. :)

I'll start stockpiling just in case :)

Mar 9, 2023, 15:0603/09/23
10/15/20
2041

Athel is my favourite of the original starter champs, but her epic and her legendary version both are terrible. Maybe they make the legendary good by giving overwhelming base stats and multipliers to her, but the skill kit is mediocre at best. A1 atk reduce seems nice for CB, but the rest of her kit doesn't fit into this area.

As possible arena nukers, I allready have Vlad, Zavia, Magnarr, Ronda, Cleopterix, Ruel, Genbo, Karato. If I would pull Supreme Athel from a shard, I'm not sure if I would build her at all. A void legendary not even worth building! Please give god tier base stats/multipliers to her or buff her before release.