I enjoy the game just fine... I just don't want people reading this post thinking there is a "magical" way to do BG's and earn 30-50million FREE troop power and get "tricked" ( no pun intended) into putting all their efforts and receiving no rewards and losing all their troops.

If you have proof that a "trick" exists to receiving "FREE" troop power then show me, don't give me bullshit about "I can't tell you because then everyone will know the secret and I wont have an advantage anymore"

if that is the case....why bring it up in the first place?

btw "they" aka "coiners" don't play this game for enjoyment they play this game because of addiction and money spent.

djmoody said:

Oracle said:

Its not a trick per say, As far as i heard it, just a rouse. I wonder why you thought It will work 

Don't pretend you have any idea what it is or how it works - you don't. You started a thread that said no one knows anything remember.

And I think it works cause I have used it 25-30 times (once for me and then helping league mates and allies). It's not a theory or an idea it's a thing :)

Unfortunately you have to get to a certain size to run the trick (well to run it effectively), which limits the number of people that have used it.

And you know what really puts the icing on the cake. The BG mechanic that makes it possible - Plarium swear blind it doesn't exist - cause BG's are "working as intended" which losely translated means Plarium don't have a clue anymore how they work. People that understood the code have long since left the company I suspect.

so I have a few questions...

What is the certain size needed to run the "trick"?

Furthermore...are there any sapphires required to run the "trick"?

no disrespect djmoody but you can't say theres a "trick" to get massive amounts of troop power and leave it a mystery and leave people guessing and wondering....

If you can't provide more information then I call BS and think your making up shit just to hype up BG's

In my opinion the only real value in BG's is nothing more than a way to get lower tier troops aka pikeman/pals/archers/knights/golems into necros/dragons/ect ect.... 

yes you do farm mooncoins and equipment in doing BG's but it is always at a cost of LOSING troop power, not gaining to my knowledge

djmoody said:

Oracle said:

Its not a trick per say, As far as i heard it, just a rouse. I wonder why you thought It will work 

Don't pretend you have any idea what it is or how it works - you don't. You started a thread that said no one knows anything remember.

And I think it works cause I have used it 25-30 times (once for me and then helping league mates and allies). It's not a theory or an idea it's a thing :)

Unfortunately you have to get to a certain size to run the trick (well to run it effectively), which limits the number of people that have used it.

And you know what really puts the icing on the cake. The BG mechanic that makes it possible - Plarium swear blind it doesn't exist - cause BG's are "working as intended" which losely translated means Plarium don't have a clue anymore how they work. People that understood the code have long since left the company I suspect.

DJ these is not a threat about you or your league, and a BG trick that everybody knows about and then you pretend otherwise so that you can just fancy, and brag people out. 

Its not a BG are not working threat, its a BG alternative theory Bg, for those who feels like the current BG theory are not working for them, or are not conclusive enough to guarantee a 100% win. 

So if you have any other, ''trick'' I don't wanna hear about it, especially from KoK, as these BG stuff goings wrong is partly their faults.

Example 

 We know that  

 Bg power from level 1-30 is a vision of 

Tn=5(BG level)^2+15(BG level) + X

but X is not static, it change from 70 to over 1000 from BG 1 to 30. these proof that the formula is either wrong( as in not arithmetic) or not properly found out.  

Stop bragging that you know BG, and have Some ''secrets'' or some ''fancy'' BG ''masters'' in your league. your bragging is not helping anyone its just plain confusing people. If you have something to say, rather say it, or if its your league ''secret'' which everyone knows about, then keep quit about it. But if you want to debate these topic then please feel free to do so, and in the process help many people. maybe debunk my theories. But please don't brag. 

djmoody said:

Oracle said:

7. We don't know anything about BG, true

I suggest you keep a log of resource in and out of BG's. Encourage your league to do the same.

Then you will move from knowing nothing about BG's to knowing something about BG's. 

If you are clever and smart you will be able to start crafting some theories from the info you collect. You then test your theories. If you get positive results from your tests, you learned something. Eventually you might become a BG master as those that have done these things before you have come to be.

Because Plarium has successively messed with BG's over many updates it has unfortunately got A LOT more difficult to learn the lessons. But it's not impossible.

And yes there is a current BG trick that can deliver 30-50m free troop power. You can write silly posts based on your zero degree of knowledge saying there aren't but it won't change the fact there is.

KoK has survived as one of the best leagues, in a game of uber coining, for 3.5yrs, without uber coiners of our own solely due to mastery of the game mechanics in areas like this. That should be all the evidence you need.

I also posted a screenshot of my off/def increase when I tricked my account for 80m free power under the old trick - so there is evidence somewhere on the forums also.

Almost all the information I have read and learned by experience about BG's says to me that there is a "TAX" when troops are sent to BG's meaning in the end you lose more than you gain...

Can you please enlighten us about this so called "trick" that lands 30-50m free troop power?

The only people with 30-50million troop power are "Coiners"... I sincerely doubt that anyone who is 100% free-2-play or even casuals like myself who spends $10-20 every 6months have anywhere close to 10m let alone 30m.

brunsonthomas said:

I don't know about anyone else but I had a good weekend on the Battlegrounds.

http://prntscr.com/ejgyfn

I had only 2 sweetspots on Friday. 

my next sweetspot is at level 50 defense :(

brunsonthomas said:

I don't know about anyone else but I had a good weekend on the Battlegrounds.

http://prntscr.com/ejgyfn

I had only 2 sweetspots on Friday. 

my next sweetspot is at level 50 defense :(

BiohazarD said:

On one of their other game forums plarium said that they use a bank. 

And it's interesting how you just declare that all the other theories are false with no evidence then put up your own theory backed by no evidence...

Plarium has never said that, they always give the same reply, we don't know, no one knows, or we can't tell you. Last week BG question.

Plarium have never, said there is a bank BG system, only Lord Cor something was the first to give such advice on total domination, and these advice was then expanded, and posted by lord Oberon in latter articles on stormfall, and latter by the other admin, where he stipulated the best building units ect. 

What we can't deny is that BG don't work as intended because we as players don't do them as intended. We based our intire understading of the subject on matters which have never been proved. and which never worked. Yes with time we understood that method, and we expanded on it, but these only compounded our failing rate. 

Many Players are not getting rewards and have given up intirely on BG, because we are doing them wrong

Oracle said:

BiohazarD said:

Perhaps your bank was negative when you started.  If you don't keep track of your bank it's impossible to know where you're at.  If you got a big payout then stopped doing bgs for a few months, then when you started again you'd have to load the res back in before you could get another payout.  So unless you kept track of what you gained in the previous run you would think you'd lost troops when you'd actually just repaid your previous win.  

The is no logic in any of what you say.

What Bank, Plarium has not in any ways admitted to the fact that BG have a bank, and there is simply no way that a bank can run negative if it runs in cash, which will be  real units, and not in loans or credit( negative units).

If it runs in loand and credit, than it will be logical to get units free from BG

Can you provide proof that there is so called bank, and that it can run ''negative, and that it can be loaded, and show that actual number, and screenshot, video of you loading the so called bank, and it running negative. 

there is no such thing as bank.

 Well known theory regarding BG that are False

1. BG have a bank

2. BG should be done with certain units, according to BG strength calculator

3. BG can run negative positive or whatever. 

Here is my theory

Bg have a set formula

these formular give a sweetspot BG

When these formula is followed as thorough as possible will give a value back in units, The amount sweetspot are normally 1 or 2, but so far I have never found over 5 BG. Those BG will almost give back a ''reward'' that is consistence with how much of Bular units you have killed before battling and completing these ''sweetspot'' BG. 

your units have no effect on the BG, but only on on bular units. So far finding that ''sweetspot'' BG is a trouble, as it can be any BG of the 60 in total. But the entire process is not random, and you can only influence it by how much balur units you kill. That is why its adviceable to complete BG the way Oberon showed you when starting out on the game, to avoid losing units till you hit that ''sweetspot'' BG.

keep in mind the ''sweetspot BG'' is not influenced by how much units you used to kill the last BG but by how much of Bular units you have killed, that is why you should use boost, and relics when completing BG. Primary reason also why plarium introduced partially defensive, partially offensive units. 

On one of their other game forums plarium said that they use a bank. 

And it's interesting how you just declare that all the other theories are false with no evidence then put up your own theory backed by no evidence...

BiohazarD said:

Perhaps your bank was negative when you started.  If you don't keep track of your bank it's impossible to know where you're at.  If you got a big payout then stopped doing bgs for a few months, then when you started again you'd have to load the res back in before you could get another payout.  So unless you kept track of what you gained in the previous run you would think you'd lost troops when you'd actually just repaid your previous win.  

The is no logic in any of what you say.

What Bank, Plarium has not in any ways admitted to the fact that BG have a bank, and there is simply no way that a bank can run negative if it runs in cash, which will be  real units, and not in loans or credit( negative units).

If it runs in loand and credit, than it will be logical to get units free from BG

Can you provide proof that there is so called bank, and that it can run ''negative, and that it can be loaded, and show that actual number, and screenshot, video of you loading the so called bank, and it running negative. 

there is no such thing as bank.

 Well known theory regarding BG that are False

1. BG have a bank

2. BG should be done with certain units, according to BG strength calculator

3. BG can run negative positive or whatever. 

Here is my theory

Bg have a set formula

these formular give a sweetspot BG

When these formula is followed as thorough as possible will give a value back in units, The amount sweetspot are normally 1 or 2, but so far I have never found over 5 BG. Those BG will almost give back a ''reward'' that is consistence with how much of Bular units you have killed before battling and completing these ''sweetspot'' BG. 

your units have no effect on the BG, but only on on bular units. So far finding that ''sweetspot'' BG is a trouble, as it can be any BG of the 60 in total. But the entire process is not random, and you can only influence it by how much balur units you kill. That is why its adviceable to complete BG the way Oberon showed you when starting out on the game, to avoid losing units till you hit that ''sweetspot'' BG.

keep in mind the ''sweetspot BG'' is not influenced by how much units you used to kill the last BG but by how much of Bular units you have killed, that is why you should use boost, and relics when completing BG. Primary reason also why plarium introduced partially defensive, partially offensive units. 

bgs are broken i am doing bgs for past few weeks i am down 20mil now and have not received any payout this game is stupid and broken.

Or maybe Plarium could seed an account with some sapphs, so it can get to the min requirement very quickly and I will keep a blog showing you the progress over the couple of weeks it will take to trick. Then I will give the account back to Plarium.

Inaginni said:

Solidarius said:

Inaginni said:

Oracle said:

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If you manage to come up with a good theory that works better than the ~15% tax rate (I'm pretty sure that's the right number, but haven't checked recently) then good on you! I do agree testing things is important, and, while DJ does look like he comes across as anti-testing anything other than what he says (to paraphrase your second paragraph there), from my experience with him and Bio it's probably b/c they have tried other things already.

In DJ's defense the trick does exist (or at least did a few months ago - haven't heard of or seen others do it since then myself). I've seen quite a few members of KoK Elite and KoK go through the process. I was offered the chance to go through it, but refused as the trick basically wipes BGs as content in the game (Not that they're any good with the tax, but it gets much, much worse after the trick). Also, considering how much free troop power it gives, why in the world would you expect him to tell you the specifics? That he even gives hints to it is astonishing.

....................................................Why bring this up again?

you do realize saying shit like "There is a trick to get 30-50million free troop power" is the equivalent of saying in real life " I know how to make 1million dollars in 24hours and you can to!' 

NOONE is going to believe you and they will call you out and unless you can provide proof, if your not going to do that then why bring it up in the first place... its like your looking for problems and bragging and YES I am one of those who is calling him out on it , he already said he will not write a guide so just let it be what it is.

you know whats astonishing, its how every time one of these "tricks" gets discovered BG's get harder and harder for the people that need them the most.

either drop the thing or provide EVIDENCE , pick 1, and please your telling me you said no to 30-50million free troop power when you know that BG's are mostly a loss making system?

WTF... how much $ do you spend on the game to even consider this?

p.s. your word is not a solid defense to the "trick" being real.

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I'm sorry Solidarius, but when I see someone I consider a friend being attacked about what I know to be true, I'm not going to just look the other way. I wont give evidence either as it is not mine to give. I did not create the trick.

Yes, I did refuse to do it. I guess the reason was left a little short so I do apologize for that. The full reason was that I had heard from those that had done the BG trick how it had made the game boring for quite a few of them, with quite a few talking about quitting/ playing much less after 4-6 months. I was personally surprised that, despite gaining so much troop power, that losing BGs as content would affect how they play the game so much. However, DJ made a post in the past showing that BGs can be boiled down to about 1/3 of the content in game, so it does make some sense that removing them would significantly reduce the playability of the game. Also, at the time it was first offered to me, BGs were still somewhat-ish profitable (this was a while back, and I still could get about 105-110% average payouts from BGs).

I was not ready/ willing to grow tired of the game at the time. I was having fun with my friends and didn't want anything to cast a shadow on that time, as it had for quite a few of them.

Also, I don't spend any money on the game and I do realize that it's not the evidence you wanted. As I mentioned, the purpose of the previous post was expressing support for a friend, since I knew he was right.

There is nothing wrong in supporting your friend, good for you my friend :D

It is true that BG's are a big part of the game and your reason is logical for the most part.

forgive me for the attack but It was and still is surprising to me that any player especially a "free 2 play" would say no to free troop power ...I know for a fact that I would not.... unless it was some kind of "ban" worthy exploit.

I come on the forums to learn more about the game, and I do appreciate both oracle and dj's posts since they are both "Veteran" players regardless of whos right/wrong.

your word is still not solid evidence that the "trick" exists, nor do I plan on chasing a dream, I will let you know now that if I do stumble upon such a trick(highly unlikely) I will be posting a guide of these forums <>

p.s. Do you know who created the "trick"?

Solidarius said:

Look I believe we all have the same thing in common to understand more about BG's and use them to make our castles stronger

No need for personal attacks and other bullshit... leave your feelings aside, I know many of you are "older" and let your "pride" get in the way... no need for that...

What DJ moody said about killing Saga quests I can confirm is true... that's why I do them they do net profit, although it does take me some time I am currently at the lvl 44 SAGAS, and waiting to train enough units to take it down.

Oracle "Theory" in my opinion does have some "truth" to it, I have experienced it myself .... I have not properly "banked" enough troops and have hit a random BG and it has given me a "payout" that should not exist according to the bank theory...

Can anyone explain why this is so?

I am much younger than DJ, probably young enough to be his kid :). But the trick does exist, and DJ will never put it into view, I only heard of it, but I will try to rediscover it myself. although it might take a while, and the is a possibility it doesn't work any more, But I doubt it. Knowing KoK they might have come with something better, and are spilling the beans on something no longer cool.

I am not saing in any ways he hasn't given advice, He does so in a way that it, that it appears unhelpful.. Which is the case here.  

djmoody said:

Solidarius said:

Do we have a deal?

Well that would let the trick out of the bag. 

We could do it the other way around. Someone provided me the funds, I'll start an account on server 2 and then once tricked put it at the beck and call of whoever funded it.

unfortunately I do not have such funds otherwise I would take you up on the offer.

It seems we have reached a stalemate, I thank you again for the tips you have provided and Oracle for his "theory".

happy hunting!

djmoody said:

Solidarius said:

Do we have a deal?

Well that would let the trick out of the bag. 

We could do it the other way around. Someone provided me the funds, I'll start an account on server 2 and then once tricked put it at the beck and call of whoever funded it.

OK, I can take you on the offer. How much will it cost. Provided is less than 2K$, and that your Untamed land will be used as I wish, after. Or you can just tell me, it't the same method I have heard of, and I will be glad to study it.

Or you can tell me how to do it. provided that, I have been trying to get my army to 1 billion. But so far I have not had much luck, and a 330$ offers are just rarely any good and it will take a while till I get back to 9$ offers. 

BiohazarD said:

Jezebel said:

this thread makes my eyes bleed 

It does seem to have gotten a bit off topic. 

Back to BGs people. 

Question about BG's @BioHazard and the other vets on here

If I send my "defense" to die on purpose on a defense BG and then attack an offense battleground without any troop losses , Will I receive the value of my defense troops that died in the defense one on the offence one?

What I am asking is are the "offence" and "defense" BG's interchangeable or separate?

Lately I have been going back and forth between them and can not figure out if I should do them separate or it doesn't matter

Thx in advance! 

BiohazarD said:

Jezebel said:

this thread makes my eyes bleed 

It does seem to have gotten a bit off topic. 

Back to BGs people. 

Question about BG's @BioHazard and the other vets on here

If I send my "defense" to die on purpose on a defense BG and then attack an offense battleground without any troop losses , Will I receive the value of my defense troops that died in the defense one on the offence one?

What I am asking is are the "offence" and "defense" BG's interchangeable or separate?

Lately I have been going back and forth between them and can not figure out if I should do them separate or it doesn't matter

Thx in advance! 

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