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idk how difficult life must be with such thinking.. i was here 3+ months and I dont have issues with my hangar.. there is always tons of stuff available, every 3 days a new chest to win something.. if I was to spend real money it would be for fun.. to try new mech or skin or who knows what.. but not because i am "pushed to improve" something.. any stupid 5 mechs can do the job, shotguns and longarms can do the job... I don't know why you need legendary mechs and weapons to feel like this is gamechanger..  try to complete missions on your mechs idk.. or if things are so terrible just play farm simulators.. 

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Idk maybe people never seen these missions and a-coins rewards? Maybe never used promo codes? Well at least you figured out how to come here and complain!

On saying that, I need you all who moan here, otherwise I will be killing bots and not real people. And game will not be fun.

And terminator probably is the only one who does not sp drop, so he is the only one with 20k hangar, the others sp drop so he kills them all easily and gets 1000 acoins :) Well idk, good if so, i could never get such rewards even theoretically, by doing math in my head.. you start with novice and maximum reward is low, you get +1 it increases, only on grandmaster it was 1000 something and you would need to SP drop to get it, otherwise you would never be able to kill so many people that are equal to you, unless it's calculated by damage, im not sure.. but clearly Im not worst player, I would probably get 5000 points max by playing more than 10 games which is at least 1 hour... and then I see people with 70k points in old tournament in just few hours. There is no way, other than sp drop or magic to get those numbers to win those 1000 acoins. Point.

The problem I have, maybe I'll make a post of my own, is the victory based rewards. Simply because match outcomes might be black-and-white (eg winning or losing), but matches themselves are not. You can have, and will have with ideal matchmaking, very close games, where maybe the winning side was decided by a random bot kill at the last second. Doing poorly and losing are different things. I should get a reward reduction for doing poorly, eg placing last/near last, instead of from losing. And vise versa, getting your team carried by bots should reward you as if you did all the work when you didn't.

Hangar showdown has the same issue - where losing grants you basically zero - and I was so happy to see that the new tournament did not...

If the matchmaking is bad - and let's be honest it can never be perfect - this will massively worsen the problem. When you get a frustrating or unfair battle, the fact that you still get some acoins (50% reduction, which isn't bad when compared to smth like the 80% reduction for pilot XP) really helps lessen that frustration. Because if the battles aren't fun, and you don't get anything worth it for them, people will stop playing - which is EXACTLY the problem HSD has - and it creates a death spiral as the matchmaking gets more and more stretched as there are less and less people to find for matches, causing battles to become even more unfair.

Imo, the acoins rewarded should be more significantly reduced for people who place lower on their team, instead of simply from losing - as a compromise instead. Something like:

Winners: Losers:

100% 60%

80% 40%

60% 20%

40% 0%

20% 0%

Ofc that's outside of FFA, where the fallout would be more similar to the preposed idea.

i would rather make it 

Winners: Losers:

100% 60%

80% 40%

60% 20%

40% 10%

20% 5%

if you are really bad, you still should get something for trying. Otherwise why would you play tournament at all if you can instead SP drop and go to normal game mode, why would you go to tournament?

They could also create weekly tasks to play 20 tournaments. Some special tasks like kill 20 mechs in tournament. No need to add things like "kill 5 with longarms or 5 from behind in tournament or apply 25 emp" that would affect gameplay.. even capturing control points task is not a great idea, it may make you change your playstyle to run to control points more and die, maybe you are not good at it, but better at supporting your teammates or defending points. the tasks should be what you would do anyway without changing your playstyle as long as you play tournaments at all

if game economics needs any changes for acoins reduction i would leave losers acoins but i would reduce acoins gained in novice leagues, they dont need that much for new mechs or upgrades, while grandmasters are the opposite, they need a lot more than newbies, not just twice more, they need 6x increases to feel the difference.. but fair enough, cant please everyone, point is if you want reduction in acoins giveaways reduce novice leagues, leave experts and above alone.. keep some minor wins for everyone. 

More bots dont attract sales, more bots dont attract more players, more bots make old players lose interest or switch to other games. Keep humans interested.

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I have to say my problem isn't that they reduced the acoins we get my problem is that first when updated the tournament at first we got alot of acoins which I found was an ok amount they if they thought it was ruining the games economy they could have reduced it by 5% but now they are removing acoins from losses which will reduce it by probably 30% seeing you are an average player with a 50% win rate 

With the old/new tournament you could only guarantee a special crate every 4 crate rushes so it was pretty balanced in my opinion so I think they keep doing what ever they are doing but change the victory based rewards to you can still get acoins from losses

I agree that the old format had some faults, and the upgraded format had some faults. Of course, how could they not? My view is that it is really, really rare to tell people so openly what the faults were, and how they are being addressed. A fault to one person will be a seen as a benefit to another, and vice versa. So I give my personal thanks to everyone involved in trying to improve this game. I love it. To be clear, my feedback is entirely positive - there will be people that disagree with the old format, the new format, any future format. That is the nature of life. To learn and try and improve is really what matters.

I want the option of being able to choose what type of Tournament battle we want to be in instead of have it be choice or specified by how far we progress. I don't mind the Team VS or Capture Point, but hate the Free For All which I would rather skip. Please re-add the right to choose what type of Tournament run we can select instead of having it chosen for us.

Lo del juego por equipos esta diseñado de manera que siempre va a perjudicar a alguien al ser incluido en un equipo en el que no conoces a nadie, ni esta organizado. Sin embargo, el equipo contrario, que es el equipo que ha solicitado esa partida por equipos, suele ser gente de un mismo clan o gente que suele jugar en equipo habitualmente y si juegan con coordinacion. El resultado es que a ti te meten en un equipo que no has solicitado condenandote a perder sin remision. Por otra parte, me pregunto porque me tienen que incluir en un equipo cuando a mi no me gusta jugar en equipos? Ademas, he observado tambien que el equipo solicitante suele tener muchisimo mas poder que el equipo en el que tu has sido incluido sin solicitarlo.

Quieren jugar en equipo? Por mi perfecto, pero solo si hay otro equipo disponible y si no, que jueguen contra bots como todo el mundo. Basta ya de perjudicar a unos para favorecer a otros.

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback.

We get that both formats have their ups and downs, and we really appreciate you looking at it in a balanced way. We do read everything you share with us and will pass it all on to the team.

I know you guys need money but with these changes you have made the tournament a shit do whatever you want it's your game but there are much better games for F2P either stop these changes in next tournament or u will have 1 million less players playing this game every tournament so make it good or thik of new games 

Hi all, I have just tried the Tournament after the updates, it's wrost than ever!

Firstly you should balance the match making, almost all the time i have to win against players with 2-3x times my hangar power (I'm around 4,5K and i fought aginst 15K players ), and that's obviously impossible in whatever type of game. 

I might agree that in the top ranks the player should have high SP, but the matches should be always fair in general, but at the beginning of the tournament it's a must!

And of course since you decided that whoever does not win does not gain Acoins, it's basically useless for me to play.

at least with old tournament i could wait and gain few acoins participating in the lower tiers.

I was happy with the new tournament before this changes, please do something asap or just eliminate the acoins in tournament and let the people play for the glory if the matches are not fair.

You can give more acoins with specific task similarly to crate rush tokens

By far the worst update i have seen made by a game in my 18 years of living ive never seen a update worse and by this far 

Im quitting the game and never returning

Plarium this update is a HUGE mess up. New Version 1.0 is very enjoyable I suggest you go back to it asap. Should you wish to pay less A coin to players, just made the tournament cycle once every 2 months or something. In that way players can enjoy Tournament while it last and will wait for it with full enthusiasm while it's away and you can make the A coin payout less also.

Just go back to version one both matchmaking algorithm and A coin payout. Adjust the tournament cycle only.

This is horrible. I dont even feel like playing this in its current form. i'll be back in a couple of months. Fix this.

i played today, it was ok, i won 4/8 and i think i earned about 50 acoins.. so 4 times less than in version 1.0 

If i am top performer in a losers team where i get higher score than top performer in winners team i receive 1000 credits :) wow. amazing. You kept your promise where you said losers still getting something. Not.

It started with lot of humans and then it ended with lots of bots. Its crap and it will get worse. Bots have no idea about strategy, all they can do is run forward and charge, they would not hold middle point and be waiting. In short bots are the ruined experience, its just shit. its failure. 

I will keep playing, but i see a lot of people will not, if you are not top performer rewards are miserable so there is just no point in playing this tournament for about 40% of the winning team + 80% of a losing team.. so lets say if you keep it this way you will lose 60% of players (not lose from the game, lose from tournament). When 60% left the game, they will be replaced with bots.. I already had a tournament game today with just 2 humans , so it will get worse. Can it get worse? Apparently.. So I expect by the next tournament not many people will play it.. its basically will only be for top performers who play it purely for rewards, not for fun. Because playing with bots is not fun.

Velocity I played the new tournament I don't think it's fair but what I actually want u to check is how 2 out of my 8 maches had plarers/ bots with maxed mecha hangars like 7k my hangar it's only 4k I don't get it. 

Can they fix that It's not fair

It's truly ridiculous. I don't consider myself a veteran despite having played this game for a while. However, I think this progressive update is the worst. Some say the old system was better, but I personally disagree. To earn coins, you had to play countless times and, with luck, win a tournament, which wasn't the case for me. Even though I played tournament after tournament and always got MVP, it was never enough to win. With the new system (before the update), I could finally earn coins for every battle I won (which was most of the time for me). But with this terrible update, the problem of facing more powerful Mechs has resurfaced. It's not just a perception; it's a reality. My Mechs have been progressively upgraded, but only one still has six yellow stars, and the rest have five or four. It should be fair to face Mechs with the same number of stars in both weapons and Mechs, but that's not happening. I'm facing Mechs that have everything maxed out, from the mechs themselves to the weapons, including the pilots. It's a real shame. It seems like the game's creators want us to migrate to some other, better-made game... take note, creators.

The problem i see is bots as number one.. if you put all bots in a match 

1) it will feel it was rigged for majority and even i will start to believe conspiracy soon

2) they dont have a rank, you cant make it fair if you dont rank bots but just assume their performance

Conclusion: if you want to be stupid about bots (having 8 in the match), either give all human players, including losers, maximum rewards because if you dont you just make it feel it was rigged. 

And if you refuse to do so then make your stupid bots earn the rankings together as everyone else, dont assume their power based on equipment you give them, its bullshit. Make them ranked and we will all know their scores and hangars, or give humans full rewards if you want to keep filling games with 8 stupid bots with random gear that decides the outcome.

No, tournament matches with prizes shouldn't be balanced.

F2Ps can't be a protected category at the expense of paying players.

If one day you play the Champions League with your neighborhood team, Real Madrid (Paris SG or your favorite team, it doesn't matter to me, pardon the soccer comparison) won't field substitutes to give you a chance to win the match. They'll crush you with all their financial power. Tournaments are competitive by definition. Whoever invests the most wins. Whoever trains the most wins. Whoever has the best players wins. If you want a balanced match, play a CPC and you'll be satisfied, but if you want to win, you have to invest. That's life, peace.