Yes, I was surprised that there were two separate categories for attack and defence. The only way to win both is to use traps and this will only work if your enemy responds. This might be very well for clans fighting over PoPs but for most it is a zero sum game in terms of categories but could be significant for the overall score. So yes I think they should be combined into 1 Killing enemy warriors category.

If there was to be a reduction to 5 categories, I would recommend combining Developing the Clan Stronghold and Increasing influence as this would also solve the problem of clans with no stronghold always competing in 6 categories only.

therapeter said:

Well, I lost cvc because of this stupidity, and I sure as hell will not play another cvc until this is fixed.


That is right, you cannot have a clan who only put in total 2.3Bill points and another one who put in 5.9Bill and finally lose because the 2.3Bill clan did 3 tasks where the 5.9Bill did 2.

plus total opponents points do not show, does that mean we have to add them up each time we want to see the score?

That is right, you cannot have a clan who only put in total 2.3Bill points and another one who put in 5.9Bill and finally lose because the 2.3Bill clan did 3 tasks where the 5.9Bill did 2.

plus total opponents points do not show, does that mean we have to add them up each time we want to see the score?

Combine attack and defense into a single category for kills, like it used to be. Leave it at 6 categories and have the tie breaker be total points scored.

I think that you would find if they made it only 6 categories,so it it  could be a 3:3 draw, you would be back to square one, where people trained many warriors in order to win.

You are missing the point, attack and defence are irrelevant since they balance each other out for any clan that keeps an eye on it. 

I am not saying it should be 3 - 3, I am saying they should keep attack as one category and no defence, which is not an action anyway. 

Break up ghosts and invaders in two categories and the problem is solved.

WDYWTNTF said:

I think that you would find if they made it only 6 categories,so it it  could be a 3:3 draw, you would be back to square one, where people trained many warriors in order to win.

I do not think that I am missing the point.

I was responding to Khahan's suggestion of making it 6 categories ,when I wrote, doing this would revert the situation back to where clans would return to training warriors for the points total win obtained from a drawn result.

If you read the other posts on this topic you will see that defence is a separate category for those that have a stronghold, and start 'Siege of the Stronghold' ,they get points from other clans attacking, and even if this doesnt happen,supposedly they get points from ingame warriors doing this.

Breaking up ghosts and invaders would not solve the problem either, players without shaman would be at a disadvantage,and ghosts take more killing than invaders.

They are not equivalent  categories.

WDYWTNTF said:

I do not think that I am missing the point.

I was responding to Khahan's suggestion of making it 6 categories ,when I wrote, doing this would revert the situation back to where clans would return to training warriors for the points total win obtained from a drawn result.

If you read the other posts on this topic you will see that defence is a separate category for those that have a stronghold, and start 'Siege of the Stronghold' ,they get points from other clans attacking, and even if this doesnt happen,supposedly they get points from ingame warriors doing this.

Breaking up ghosts and invaders would not solve the problem either, players without shaman would be at a disadvantage,and ghosts take more killing than invaders.

They are not equivalent  categories.

From what I understand you are protecting your new lvl 4 strongholds which much less people have than the number of players who have a shaman. Fine. Go ahead. Do nothing. I'm not playing cvc because it is flawed. And soon enough many will stop playing cvc I bet. Everyone without a stronghold to start off with. Then all the folks who disagree with you.

Hello,I can assure you that I am not advocating on behalf of the game.

I can see you are annoyed and probably have good reason to be.

I am not sure if you are talking about me having and protecting the benefits of a L4 stronghold, or others in general.

I dont even have a stronghold, so I am advocating on behalf of the little people who would like to play the game but, can not adequately because of the way that this game is run.

There  were a number of competitions running yesterday, which in itself is not unusual.

Many of these competitions run over  three or even more days.

Its a struggle to get very far in the levels they set, in exceptional circumstances 3 may be achievable,but if after 2 days of a 3 day event or proportional similar amounts for the longer events, if you haven't even got 3 levels, there is no way you are going to be able to reach any more in the remaining time.

Additionally often level 4 is something like 3 times or more than level 3,and so on,and its not till you reach the upper level that the big rewards start dropping,like for instance, the new star shards needed for the new skins.

They ask and expect the impossible,not for some,but for many.

WDYWTNTF said:

Hello,I can assure you that I am not advocating on behalf of the game.

I can see you are annoyed and probably have good reason to be.

I am not sure if you are talking about me having and protecting the benefits of a L4 stronghold, or others in general.

I dont even have a stronghold, so I am advocating on behalf of the little people who would like to play the game but, can not adequately because of the way that this game is run.

There  were a number of competitions running yesterday, which in itself is not unusual.

Many of these competitions run over  three or even more days.

Its a struggle to get very far in the levels they set, in exceptional circumstances 3 may be achievable,but if after 2 days of a 3 day event or proportional similar amounts for the longer events, if you haven't even got 3 levels, there is no way you are going to be able to reach any more in the remaining time.

Additionally often level 4 is something like 3 times or more than level 3,and so on,and its not till you reach the upper level that the big rewards start dropping,like for instance, the new star shards needed for the new skins.

They ask and expect the impossible,not for some,but for many.

I noticed you are overactive on this forum, trying to have a say about everything. Since you 'don't have' a stronghold, why do you post here at all since you don't know what I am taking about. Please refrain form answering to topics you have no experience with. You are waisting people's time, and mine. 

You also changed the topic which is not desired. If you want to answer at all, stick to the topic. What you said about levels has no relevance to me anyway, and face it : I started the topic, so I can judge what is relevant and what not.

The title of your post is

   "A misjudgement in your new cvc formula. It is flawed."

So I didn't  go of topic, though maybe I didn't address the exact point you wanted,So I will now.

In your opening line you wrote.

"First of all congratulations with the new cvc system .It kills of clans who didn't play but just raised their SH. Thanks for that."

The most pertinent being the second sentence."It kills of clans who didn't play but just raised their SH"

The topic of a changed CvC, of which there are many threads, would probably never have risen apart from the fact clans used to win, just by training troops and nothing else.

Though this wasnt against the rules it created a problematic situation.

You were effectively doing the same  just raising the stronghold influence as a means of 'winning' and getting your hands on the loot.

You were upset because this ceased to be an option for you.

Though this strategy suited you it would have effectively failed,when there was no where else to go.

Sorry for rattling your cage, and being over active here,(you are probably right).

As far as I am aware, Its an open forum,so players are mostly free to say what they want.

I try to only respond to questions that I think I know the answer to, or that I have an opinion about.

Just because I personally do not have a stronghold doesnt not mean I do not now about them, or what the effects of having one, or not having one mean, or that I dont have an opinion about something.

I do not know where Plarium H.Q. is ,if I wanted employment, I would certainly seek them out and do as you suggested.

Sorry man. I'm not reading your stuff any more because you don't seem to get the message. Maybe you should spend more time in the game. You seem to be a forum rat to protect Plarium. Say what you want, facts are clear. 

I have data for 6 battles now in two kingdoms and for each battle attack/defence was a draw. Facts prove more than bs.

WDYWTNTF said:

The title of your post is

   "A misjudgement in your new cvc formula. It is flawed."

So I didn't  go of topic, though maybe I didn't address the exact point you wanted,So I will now.

In your opening line you wrote.

"First of all congratulations with the new cvc system .It kills of clans who didn't play but just raised their SH. Thanks for that."

The most pertinent being the second sentence."It kills of clans who didn't play but just raised their SH"

The topic of a changed CvC, of which there are many threads, would probably never have risen apart from the fact clans used to win, just by training troops and nothing else.

Though this wasnt against the rules it created a problematic situation.

You were effectively doing the same  just raising the stronghold influence as a means of 'winning' and getting your hands on the loot.

You were upset because this ceased to be an option for you.

Though this strategy suited you it would have effectively failed,when there was no where else to go.

Sorry for rattling your cage, and being over active here,(you are probably right).

As far as I am aware, Its an open forum,so players are mostly free to say what they want.

I try to only respond to questions that I think I know the answer to, or that I have an opinion about.

Just because I personally do not have a stronghold doesnt not mean I do not now about them, or what the effects of having one, or not having one mean, or that I dont have an opinion about something.

I do not know where Plarium H.Q. is ,if I wanted employment, I would certainly seek them out and do as you suggested.

therapeter said:

Sorry man. I'm not reading your stuff any more because you don't seem to get the message. Maybe you should spend more time in the game. You seem to be a forum rat to protect Plarium. Say what you want, facts are clear. 

I have data for 6 battles now in two kingdoms and for each battle attack/defence was a draw. Facts prove more than bs.

WDYWTNTF said:

The title of your post is

   "A misjudgement in your new cvc formula. It is flawed."

So I didn't  go of topic, though maybe I didn't address the exact point you wanted,So I will now.

In your opening line you wrote.

"First of all congratulations with the new cvc system .It kills of clans who didn't play but just raised their SH. Thanks for that."

The most pertinent being the second sentence."It kills of clans who didn't play but just raised their SH"

The topic of a changed CvC, of which there are many threads, would probably never have risen apart from the fact clans used to win, just by training troops and nothing else.

Though this wasnt against the rules it created a problematic situation.

You were effectively doing the same  just raising the stronghold influence as a means of 'winning' and getting your hands on the loot.

You were upset because this ceased to be an option for you.

Though this strategy suited you it would have effectively failed,when there was no where else to go.

Sorry for rattling your cage, and being over active here,(you are probably right).

As far as I am aware, Its an open forum,so players are mostly free to say what they want.

I try to only respond to questions that I think I know the answer to, or that I have an opinion about.

Just because I personally do not have a stronghold doesnt not mean I do not now about them, or what the effects of having one, or not having one mean, or that I dont have an opinion about something.

I do not know where Plarium H.Q. is ,if I wanted employment, I would certainly seek them out and do as you suggested.

Our clan has twice won both offense and defense ... it takes some strategy and an enemy clan that does do some attacking ... that being said in the news, updates, contests section of the forum is a post on what will be new cvc rules sometime in 2020 ...

https://plarium.com/forum/en/vikings-war-of-clans/581_news--updates--and-contests/172376_clans-battle-changes/

Combine attack and defense into a single category for kills, like it used to be. Leave it at 6 categories and have the tie breaker be total points scored.

So a clan can win 6-0, 5-1, 4-2 or if it goes to 3-3 tie the clan with the most overall points wins.

So Alice said this.  Do we have a date for this next installment ?