fURY said:

u asked a question 

name one league which is in a top position without coining ! didnt u ask this ? so i answered, king of kings,a great league who has always been in top .some years back even higher than it is now 

as i told everyone else before ! if one player (here,topic discussion being a league reaching a top position)if a league has already done it,so can everybody else !

then down here u say we(as the league discussed is where ur from) were the exception ! and im in wrong ! talk about credibility !

as always im just in loss of words and dnt know what to say in reply to u

Without coining,,,ever???? And I'm not talking minimal, that was an issue some years back, I do not recall exactly when. The divide in KoK was spending AND league direction.

While never having been in the league myself, some players that were well respected voiced those issues.

We are seemingly either directly or indirectly playing word semantics. Intentional or not this discussion has turned sideways, and appears to to be taking a personal approach. Not taking a side either way, but I know alot of history here also.

On a (hopefully) final post on this thread for me.

I think we need to stop trying to present this game as easy. Is not easy. It is expensive. Good leagues are not good leagues because they have better players. They are good leagues because there have 3-15 players that are willing to spend over 350$ on the game weekly.  

I honestly don't think diplomacy factors anymore. Server 1 has evolved into a Fiefdom of a couple of mega coiners that dictate the direction of the entire server at their own discretion. This mega coiners direct which league can hold which beacon and where. 

You can coin 9 billion defence but you will not hold a beacon unless and until you are directed to do so but that coucil of mega coiners. I don't think we can honestly call this, DIPLOMACY. 

By my own estimate, about 55% of beacons that lie on the edge are not well defended. I know this because we have seen how easily most beacons fall in server 1 when certain coiners go rogue. 

I think we need to stop trying to present this game as easy. Is not easy. It is expensive. Good leagues are not good leagues because they have better players. They are good leagues because there have 3-15 players that are willing to spend over 350$ on the game weekly.  

I honestly don't think diplomacy factors anymore. Server 1 has evolved into a Fiefdom of a couple of mega coiners that dictate the direction of the entire server at their own discretion. This mega coiners direct which league can hold which beacon and where. 

You can coin 9 billion defence but you will not hold a beacon unless and until you are directed to do so but that coucil of mega coiners. I don't think we can honestly call this, DIPLOMACY. 

By my own estimate, about 55% of beacons that lie on the edge are not well defended. I know this because we have seen how easily most beacons fall in server 1 when certain coiners go rogue. 

Oracle said:

I think we need to stop trying to present this game as easy. Is not easy. It is expensive. Good leagues are not good leagues because they have better players. They are good leagues because there have 3-15 players that are willing to spend over 350$ on the game weekly.  

I honestly don't think diplomacy factors anymore. Server 1 has evolved into a Fiefdom of a couple of mega coiners that dictate the direction of the entire server at their own discretion. This mega coiners direct which league can hold which beacon and where. 

 Hello My Lord Oracle, 

Yes ,somehow i agree with you about the '' good leagues '', 

but i still see a little bit of diplomacy too in the game ! 
And i still believe in friendship between the Lords and Ladies , and between the leagues , for that are the Alliances !

Roadster pitbull my post on this very page

but managing a top league,upgrading a beacon ,corner,in a league territory,enemy or friend ,making it all about coining is just not right

What many seem to not acknowledge is hours of gameplay as a league throughout the many years to to where they have? 

To me it sometimes seems that people use the coiner excuse more to ease their own minds rather than to strive just a bit more as a league and achieve what other leagues have.  

Alina said:

Hello, my Lords! Please keep this discussion friendly and constructive. Otherwise, I'll have to close it. I don't really want to do it. Thank you for your understanding! 

I wish the discussions were friendly and constructive too.

It's annoys me that there is virtually no sensible or serious discussion of any topics, they just get flamed and trolled, There are significantly more personal insults thrown than occasions where people provide well thought out logical arguments backed by evidence.