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Sep 11, 2019, 14:2809/11/19
10/01/16
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Too Many Brawls

  While I greatly prefer the brawls to the duels since you implemented them,  the frequency of having one every 5 days or so is a a bit much.


    There is just no time to recover and rebuild a little in order to again be competitive.  Of course,  the "coiner" leagues just go out and buy their replacement troops ,  and once again have an advantage. Good for Plarium, bad for the game.


    I'm told that the determining factor as to what team you face is the amount of sapphs your team has received in previous brawls. I guess that's why my level 8 fortress team is always facing a level 20 fort opponent.  I think that formula needs to be changed also.




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Sep 11, 2019, 20:1509/11/19
Sep 11, 2019, 20:15(edited)
02/28/16
131

Then skip one every now and then. According to the formula you are speaking of you will have breeze of a opponent after that Win-win.

But why the f... you are trying to limit brawls for leagues that are capable of maxing out every brawl is beyond me.

MicModerator
Sep 13, 2019, 09:2009/13/19
02/22/19
1490

Hello  my Lords...

well Bob , if you think there are to often brawls ...you can skip someone , and don't partecipate, it's easy, nobody force you to do the brawl   ! 

I am sure you will find some other events or tournaments which you like to do !

I wish you a good game and good battles !

Sep 16, 2019, 11:4809/16/19
11/27/14
500

bob said:


   While I greatly prefer the brawls to the duels since you implemented them,  the frequency of having one every 5 days or so is a a bit much. 

    There is just no time to recover and rebuild a little in order to again be competitive.  Of course,  the "coiner" leagues just go out and buy their replacement troops ,  and once again have an advantage. Good for Plarium, bad for the game.


    I'm told that the determining factor as to what team you face is the amount of sapphs your team has received in previous brawls. I guess that's why my level 8 fortress team is always facing a level 20 fort opponent.  I think that formula needs to be changed also.

It is to much because u are not able to win ?

For me at max reward and top1 is ok.


How many BRAWLS did u win in top position ?
Sep 16, 2019, 13:0709/16/19
07/26/15
515
Brawls, all  I can say as an opinion of a player who has been playing since 2013 is that they are the best thing that has happened to this game, they offer more rewards to win for their time duration than any other tournament in the game for not even having to kill other players, I will continue to enjoy the brawls each week, they are excellent 
Sep 16, 2019, 14:1809/16/19
02/22/16
1846
I find that there is no better way to gather forces and promote an active membership in the leagues. Of course if you don't have a competitive nature and would like to just hang out rather than being active the brawl will point that out also. It's a great tool for Marshals and Captains who can see who deserves to be promoted within their leagues.  Even those who don't spend all the time (like me) can show their value by just doing whatever they can with the many events that earn brawl points.
Sep 16, 2019, 15:5909/16/19
Sep 16, 2019, 23:04(edited)
02/22/16
1846

bob said:


  While I greatly prefer the brawls to the duels since you implemented them,  the frequency of having one every 5 days or so is a a bit much.


    There is just no time to recover and rebuild a little in order to again be competitive.  Of course,  the "coiner" leagues just go out and buy their replacement troops ,  and once again have an advantage. Good for Plarium, bad for the game.


    I'm told that the determining factor as to what team you face is the amount of sapphs your team has received in previous brawls. I guess that's why my level 8 fortress team is always facing a level 20 fort opponent.  I think that formula needs to be changed also.





    Don't believe everything your told  It's based on the leagues past performance in their last Brawl  if you look at your  brawl it shows the Highest and Lowest range of points of the leagues that your brawl's tier has earned.  And accordingly the different tiers have different rewards according to the leagues rankings within the tier they are competing in.  With the top ten getting additional sapphire rewards for their performance. That being said  If you are presently in a brawl that is not in the Diamond tier and your rank is in the top ten your league will most likely graduate to at least the next tier level if not to the Diamond depending on your brawl score. Not the amount of sapphires your league has gained.


    I have known of some leagues skipping being real active in one week so that they can be more competitive in the next Brawl in hopes of a better chance at final placement at the end of a Brawl.

    This of course doesn't have the same  final payout as a higher tier. As with everything a strategist can find a work around to at least obtain advancements in some form if they can't compete in the higher echelons on the game.

    I wish you well

Sep 16, 2019, 19:2509/16/19
10/01/16
1

Thanks all for your input !  I think the brawls are one of the best things implemented in the game in a while.   Having one every 5 days makes it tough to compete because it's not enough time to recover troops in order to do the BG's  and SH BG's .  I'm merely asking for a few more days between brawls .


 To answer the question about winning brawls, yes we have won a few but mostly we lose.  However we have always ended up in the top 10 and yes this is diamond league. So we've been fortunate to win sapphires at each event.  We are a level 8 fort.  Yet we keep getting matched and re-matched over and over against level 20 teams that are top 5 every brawl event.  So that is why I question how the pairings are determined - and as I said the answer I got was that it was based on your sapphire amount in previous brawls. again, maybe something that could be modified. 
Sep 17, 2019, 19:4909/17/19
04/16/16
137


Is it possible to have the Brawls starts on Random days ?

   

Not every week, starting on Friday

Sep 18, 2019, 02:1509/18/19
02/22/16
1846
Jelly Baby said:



Is it possible to have the Brawls starts on Random days ?

   

Not every week, starting on Friday

I think the reason it starts on Friday is because most players are more likely be able to be active during their weekends for this multi day event. I know that's why I can get a reasonable score every week.
Sep 18, 2019, 13:3209/18/19
07/26/15
515

Bob, the reason you are getting the top leagues in Diamond teir is because of the brawl points you earn from the previous ones, thats how its worked, your in the top 10 rankings of Diamond teir even when your league looses so yes you will be paired against those top leagues

Your league must do exceptionally well for this Congratz there :D
BiohazarDModerator
Sep 19, 2019, 15:4609/19/19
10/04/13
3817
Christine Hare said:

Bob, the reason you are getting the top leagues in Diamond teir is because of the brawl points you earn from the previous ones, thats how its worked, your in the top 10 rankings of Diamond teir even when your league looses so yes you will be paired against those top leagues

Your league must do exceptionally well for this Congratz there :D
Yeah, if they're in diamond tier they must be getting decent rewards since that takes a significant amount of points each week.   
BiohazarDModerator
Sep 19, 2019, 15:4809/19/19
10/04/13
3817
Jelly Baby said:



Is it possible to have the Brawls starts on Random days ?

   

Not every week, starting on Friday

Most people are busy during the week, so having it on a friday and saturday gives people more opportunity to participate.  Also, it lets people start buildings and stuff ahead of time to finish during the brawl.  Having it start on random days would be annoying and mean fewer people could participate.  
BiohazarDModerator
Sep 19, 2019, 15:5009/19/19
10/04/13
3817
bob said:

Thanks all for your input !  I think the brawls are one of the best things implemented in the game in a while.   Having one every 5 days makes it tough to compete because it's not enough time to recover troops in order to do the BG's  and SH BG's .  I'm merely asking for a few more days between brawls .


 To answer the question about winning brawls, yes we have won a few but mostly we lose.  However we have always ended up in the top 10 and yes this is diamond league. So we've been fortunate to win sapphires at each event.  We are a level 8 fort.  Yet we keep getting matched and re-matched over and over against level 20 teams that are top 5 every brawl event.  So that is why I question how the pairings are determined - and as I said the answer I got was that it was based on your sapphire amount in previous brawls. again, maybe something that could be modified. 
You shouldn't be throwing away all your troops in bgs to score brawl points.  There are tons of other ways to score points that don't involve losing troops.  Try upgrading your castle or lost arts, raiding for resources, building troops, etc.  
Sep 20, 2019, 20:0709/20/19
Sep 21, 2019, 18:09(edited)
04/16/16
137

Jelly Baby said:




Is it possible to have the Brawls starts on Random days ?

   

Not every week, starting on Friday

What about the 100,000's of players that work on the weekends and have week days off ?   


Not every brawl has to start on a weekday, just some.  Maybe every 3rd Brawl would start on a Thursday or a Saturday.  This would give those that play on the weekends a chance to add points and have those who need a weekday to add points in the Brawl, to feel as though they are contributing to a leauge event.

Shouldn't a league be well rounded to included all of it's members that can play and not just those that play on the weekends?  But I guess there are those leagues out there that have over time (years) have kicked out enough members to be able to dictate when an event occurs based on $$ spent and when the majority of it's members play (weekends).  Kinda sucks for the newer leagues and the rest of the leagues out there, that have players who want to play during the week more.


** If you knew that you could get a free pint of beer at the pub on Fri, Sat, or Sun...  but you worked every weekend and missed out... wouldn't you feel more included if you could get that free pint on a Thurs or Mon when you were off work ? **



If this game is to evolve into something that people want to continue to play... even after Flash ends...  it should start to be more inclusive to all players more, not just a handful of players that come on to the forum and denounce every idea put forth as something "bad for all".  And to those that say "just skip one"... then that same idea should apply to you as well to "just skip one" that is started during the week.


The Duels were random... The Beacon Massacres were random...  PvP tourney's are random...  Experience Exhibitions are random...  Capture the Flag tourney's are random...   Battleground tourney's are random...


Although there is one event that is  NOT  random...   and that is the Champions XP being every Wednesday, so as not to coincide with the Brawl, since you get points for that activity

Sep 22, 2019, 12:5709/22/19
Sep 22, 2019, 12:58(edited)
02/22/16
1846

Jelly Baby said:


Jelly Baby said:


What about the 100,000's of players that work on the weekends and have week days off ?   

I think the millions that don't work on the weekends  far out number that do work the weekend.

Although there is one event that is  NOT  random...   and that is the Champions XP being every Wednesday, so as not to coincide with the Brawl, since you get points for that activity


I find the chance of getting a Holybond during the Brawl using the hunt appears to be greater than when using the hunt during the Champion Event ! and  upgrading your champions during the Brawl also adds to your Brawl score substantially if you have enough Items to keep the hunt going in boost mode. :)  It's nice that the hunt can be used with great success in two events one after the other I think .



BiohazarDModerator
Sep 24, 2019, 15:2709/24/19
10/04/13
3817
Wesley Pringle said:

Jelly Baby said:


Jelly Baby said:


What about the 100,000's of players that work on the weekends and have week days off ?   

I think the millions that don't work on the weekends  far out number that do work the weekend.

Although there is one event that is  NOT  random...   and that is the Champions XP being every Wednesday, so as not to coincide with the Brawl, since you get points for that activity


I find the chance of getting a Holybond during the Brawl using the hunt appears to be greater than when using the hunt during the Champion Event ! and  upgrading your champions during the Brawl also adds to your Brawl score substantially if you have enough Items to keep the hunt going in boost mode. :)  It's nice that the hunt can be used with great success in two events one after the other I think .



Are you sure it's not just you're doing more champ training during the brawl event so you end up winning more high level bonds during that time?  I haven't noticed that pattern myself, and I run champ training quite a bit during both events as well as randomly throughout the week.  Although admittedly the drop rate is low enough that it's difficult to tell.  
BiohazarDModerator
Sep 24, 2019, 15:3009/24/19
10/04/13
3817

Jelly Baby said:


Jelly Baby said:




Is it possible to have the Brawls starts on Random days ?

   

Not every week, starting on Friday

What about the 100,000's of players that work on the weekends and have week days off ?   


Not every brawl has to start on a weekday, just some.  Maybe every 3rd Brawl would start on a Thursday or a Saturday.  This would give those that play on the weekends a chance to add points and have those who need a weekday to add points in the Brawl, to feel as though they are contributing to a leauge event.

Shouldn't a league be well rounded to included all of it's members that can play and not just those that play on the weekends?  But I guess there are those leagues out there that have over time (years) have kicked out enough members to be able to dictate when an event occurs based on $$ spent and when the majority of it's members play (weekends).  Kinda sucks for the newer leagues and the rest of the leagues out there, that have players who want to play during the week more.


** If you knew that you could get a free pint of beer at the pub on Fri, Sat, or Sun...  but you worked every weekend and missed out... wouldn't you feel more included if you could get that free pint on a Thurs or Mon when you were off work ? **



If this game is to evolve into something that people want to continue to play... even after Flash ends...  it should start to be more inclusive to all players more, not just a handful of players that come on to the forum and denounce every idea put forth as something "bad for all".  And to those that say "just skip one"... then that same idea should apply to you as well to "just skip one" that is started during the week.


The Duels were random... The Beacon Massacres were random...  PvP tourney's are random...  Experience Exhibitions are random...  Capture the Flag tourney's are random...   Battleground tourney's are random...


Although there is one event that is  NOT  random...   and that is the Champions XP being every Wednesday, so as not to coincide with the Brawl, since you get points for that activity

Honestly, I always found it annoying that those events were random.  I'd much prefer if plarium scheduled all of their events and published the schedule like a week in advance.  It makes things much easier for those of us with busy lives if we know ahead of time when each event will happen and can plan for them.  

Oct 8, 2019, 16:3510/08/19
Oct 8, 2019, 16:50(edited)
03/20/15
20

 I have complained to the VIP agent on a couple of occasions that these Brawls are too often & shouldn't be on every weekend .All of the Marshals I know have complained to Plarium about this too . This last week Plarium put the Capture the Flag tournament on at the same time as the Brawl as well. Unfortunately my VIP agent seems to think that these brawls were done by Coalitions instead of leagues , I would copy and paste parts of his condescending and ridiculous answers to me here if it were possible to copy and paste it ...

The major issue here is that Plarium does not seem to understand how this game is actually played by the people who play it .Plarium does not seem to want to know how much time & preparation it requires to compete in one of these Brawls . I am the Marshal of the #2 League on Untamed Lands . We are usually #2 in these Brawls . We have many skilled & knowledgeable players on our league . We hold training seminars on Discord on how to get more points in the Brawl .We analyze the points the players get & try to train them in their individual weak spots for this brawl . We have a league mathematician , I mean a real Actuarial Mathematician who does our #s . We are hardcore Stormfall gamers here on Drunken Dragons , we are not an intellectually inferior & totally unprepared league as my VIP agent seems to imply . Yet still I am on the game for 16 hours a day or more on Brawl days , my Captains 8-20 hours a day . My players are taking days off work , using vacation days & missing out on family events to not let down the league . This and /or many 10s of thousands of Euros is what it takes to get near the 10 M in the Brawl points . We are generally happy to rise to a Challenge , but EVERY WEEK ? And ALWAYS on a weekend ? These Brawls are demoralizing the players of all leagues . They are writing letters apologizing for going to weddings and the like during Brawls . If the game makes the players feel bad about themselves then they will stop playing the game altogether . And this is happening . The big Coiners/Hammers are slowing/stopping spending money . the average players are demoralized and stopping playing the game . I hear the same from all the other Marshals too , it is not just my league . It is just too big of a tournament to be holding every week .

And then Plarium decides to throw in a Capture the Flag tournament during the Brawl ? This was mind boggling . We got # 1 as we usually do , but this takes many hours of preparation to even compete in a Cap the Flag . Although for some strange reason , Plarium has these lasting for days although someone there should know that these tourneys are over within the first 10 minutes . We get our Flags within the 1st 30 seconds of the tournament , as all of the other competitive leagues do too. But my VIP agents seem to think that we Stormfall players are going back & forth attacking & downgrading heavily defended level 20 Fortresses to get flags during these tourneys like we are raiding BOT sieges . We are the only league to have taken down a heavily defended lvl 20 Fort on our server and that took us years to accomplish with a lot of help from other leagues.

The real problem here is that Plarium has no clue how this game is played and what the players are putting in, in preparation, time effort & money for these tournaments . It would be really nice if there was someone there at Plarium who understood how this game is actually played before they totally destroy it for all of us with these weekly Brawls . If the players are having to work 12 or more hours daily on game just to compete in Brawls every single week , they will stop playing altogether in the end . I wish Plarium would wake up and get someone who understands how this game is actually played by the players to plan these tournaments .



Oct 8, 2019, 17:3810/08/19
02/02/16
6
The rewards in the brawls are significant, so much so  that most leagues find they HAVE to participate to maintain standing.

Many people work on weekends now, and while many do not, or (like myself) can schedule their work;  the vast majority of family, social and entertainment events happen on weekends.    This sets up a conflict.   Serious players with a loyalty to their league resent having to choose between their league and real life commitments EVERY weekend.  Each player will have to resolve this conflict as best they can., but if brawls continue on Every weekend, then some (perhaps many) of the serious players are likely to resolve the conflict by leaving the game.

Oct 8, 2019, 18:1110/08/19
Oct 8, 2019, 18:11(edited)
02/22/16
1846
As I don't see too many complaints about the brawl being too often. And many seem to not mind getting the rewards on a weekly basis I'm not sure what the issue here Is ! if you personally don't want to do them don't. I'm sure there would be many more complaining if they were not done weekly. (that is my Opinion)