This is the dev team trying to figure out how to fix the game. 

no notebooks, no one even has the game pulled up. half arent even paying attention. 

my favorite is the guy fidgeting with the feather duster, everyone else is just standing around with their hands in their pockets. 

look at everyones faces.  they have no clue how to fix the game. 

True, cat troops do not, but it is still limiting.   However, that loophole would need to be removed as well.  No troop, no matter its location, should be immune to leaving.   There should be priorities, however.   I would think troops in the catacombs should be last to leave.

I would also end another loophole I had forgot about.   Regardless of how much food a player has in their barns...even if its 1.5 million units of food, that player can NOT train or buy a single troop if their food production is not positive.   If there are no more bonuses left to create positive food production, then a player will be forced to destroy their current troops prior to training, reviving, or buying more troops.

Granted, I'd love to see sketches removed and Farm levels restored to 20 max as well (either that or sketches became as easy to obtain for non-coiners as eldritch units).

The only fix is to eliminate unlimited troop count and to minimize the difference between max coiner troops and max non coiner troops.  I'd remove that 50% offense/defense bonus as well.

The game is over until this problem is fixed, no matter what else they may try.  It may already be too late, but at least it would be worth the attempt over doing nothing.  I'm simply giving an easy solution to the problem.

BiohazarD said:

Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:

Oracle said:

The question should be rephrased to, what can we do to make sure that our fellow rich players do'nt enticed to buy game destroying armies. But that question will break forum rules. 

The problem with the game is the black market and the imbalance it causes compared to normal game play. 

The are three solutions 

1. Remove the black market

Or 

2. Reverse the black market back to its original form

Or

3. Let the game die

Force limits are not going to solve the problem. They will just make it easier for bullies to abuse small leagues without getting touched

How would force limits protect bullies from small leagues?  Force limit only affects you if you have enough troops to exceed the limit, that's kind of the point. 

Although I agree some changes to the black market would be good for the game as well (such as removing the ability to directly purchase or heal troops for sapphires). 

Remove all ability to buy troops and legendaries from the market direct. Make them ALL trainable, but include a sapphire cost in the train price in addition to resources. Have the black market sell bigger packs of resources, and increase the barns by a lot...

If someone buys millions of resources to make a lot of troops, I don't really give a rats ass, because his/her troops would snail out the same as everyone else does. Unless they spend a ton on boosters to speed it up. 

I'd rather they go the opposite way, make troop build times fast (like 10x the current rate) and have the limiting factor be resources.  This rewards gameplay activities like raiding for resources, hamlets, trading etc. 

Agreed, 

Rebuttal will be that everyone can build faster but I think the consensus is that nobody cares about that, since having troops in the first place is what the game is about. Not every does pvp as their main enjoyment but Battle Grounds as well. It is painfully obvious that none of the devs or staff play on the same servers or under the same terms the rest of do. 

Aegon Targaryen said:

All of these issues have a single root cause:   Removal of food restrictions.   When your troops stop leaving you when you go run out of food, you can bulid....or buy....billions of offense.

What he said ^^

IronApex Turok said:

Alina posted a picutre of the dev team "hard at work" in the news and announcements section.....

This is the dev team trying to figure out how to fix the game. 

no notebooks, no one even has the game pulled up. half arent even paying attention. 

my favorite is the guy fidgeting with the feather duster, everyone else is just standing around with their hands in their pockets. 

look at everyones faces.  they have no clue how to fix the game. 

I'll have you know that feather duster is critical to the long-term success of the game! 

*sigh* Some people just don't understand true quality. 

Aegon Targaryen said:

All of these issues have a single root cause:   Removal of food restrictions.   When your troops stop leaving you when you go run out of food, you can bulid....or buy....billions of offense.

What he said ^^

And I have said the same before but Alina shot me down on that one very fast.

Hello All,

I really appreciate your thoughts on this matter and for me it really good to see you all in the forums.

Perhaps I could speak to Rizzo and ETsphere on this matter.

Perhaps Emps, Dominus and other leagues can make this happen.

The word TRUST is the key here....if a NAP would work

Like I say the mechanics of the GAME is not going to change so WE must change it.

I appreciate the feedback from you ALL

Happy Gaming

DoomieUK

djmoody said:

Aegon Targaryen said:

All of these issues have a single root cause:   Removal of food restrictions.   

I can't be bothered to yet again have to explain why this is utter garbage - utter garbage of the most dangerous kind as the desired fix will leave an even bigger gap between coiners and non-coiners.

Just because YOU don't have negative food, doesn't mean other people who have been playing 3yrs+ and don't coin might have negative food. You will literally leave them with nothing to do in game with your suggestion.

The reason the game being out of balance to the point of death is because infinite troops can be purchased immediately by someone on their first day in the game. We told Plarium that for 3 years but only now the games are dead has it dawned on them we know what we are talking about. Short term easy buck, no long term at all.

You are incorrect.    Its not garbage.   I'm a coiner myself, though I've never been willing to throw hundreds per month at a game.   Billions of offense did not exist before food restrictions were lifted.  I certainly never saw 100k offense even among the dedicated league offensive players 3 years ago.  Now its common.  Of course, troop packs are more common now and sapphires are cheaper, so yes, there is that.  BTW, who said I don't have negative food?

I said its the root cause, not the only cause.  That door, once opened, led to increasingly greater coiner troop heaven, like a runaway train.  I also said that there can be no protection, nor can troops be bought, trained, nor revived without positive food production.  It will reduce the gap between coiners and non-coiners...at least it will after the excess troops are knocked off in a fortress hit or some other hit before they disappear.

Aegon Targaryen said:

djmoody said:

Aegon Targaryen said:

All of these issues have a single root cause:   Removal of food restrictions.   

I can't be bothered to yet again have to explain why this is utter garbage - utter garbage of the most dangerous kind as the desired fix will leave an even bigger gap between coiners and non-coiners.

Just because YOU don't have negative food, doesn't mean other people who have been playing 3yrs+ and don't coin might have negative food. You will literally leave them with nothing to do in game with your suggestion.

The reason the game being out of balance to the point of death is because infinite troops can be purchased immediately by someone on their first day in the game. We told Plarium that for 3 years but only now the games are dead has it dawned on them we know what we are talking about. Short term easy buck, no long term at all.

You are incorrect.    Its not garbage.   I'm a coiner myself, though I've never been willing to throw hundreds per month at a game.   Billions of offense did not exist before food restrictions were lifted.  I certainly never saw 100k offense even among the dedicated league offensive players 3 years ago.  Now its common.  Of course, troop packs are more common now and sapphires are cheaper, so yes, there is that.  BTW, who said I don't have negative food?

I said its the root cause, not the only cause.  That door, once opened, led to increasingly greater coiner troop heaven, like a runaway train.  I also said that there can be no protection, nor can troops be bought, trained, nor revived without positive food production.  It will reduce the gap between coiners and non-coiners...at least it will after the excess troops are knocked off in a fortress hit or some other hit before they disappear.

You're confusing correlation with causation.  People started buying much larger armies because it became much cheaper to do so, not because they would no longer lose a tiny bit of their army to food consumption.  Before all the deals and extra bonuses for $1000 you could get about 2500 dragons if you used bgs and healing (at 50% discount, since 75% wasn't around at the time).  That would be worth about 7 million offense at the time, since most of the offense bonuses that exist now didn't at the time.  Now, for spending the same $1000, you can get around 40,000 dragons if you're a bit patient and buy the discount packages plarium gives out every few days, and use heals on 75% discount, and trade the junk troops in the packages for dragons in bgs.  Those dragons, with all the bonuses available now, are worth about 300 million offense.  So for the same price you're getting over 40x the offense you would have a few years ago.  Sure, defense has gotten some boosts too but since many of them are pay only or only active for a limited time, it's likely most defenders won't be running them. 

Aegon Targaryen said:

djmoody said:

Aegon Targaryen said:

All of these issues have a single root cause:   Removal of food restrictions.   

I can't be bothered to yet again have to explain why this is utter garbage - utter garbage of the most dangerous kind as the desired fix will leave an even bigger gap between coiners and non-coiners.

Just because YOU don't have negative food, doesn't mean other people who have been playing 3yrs+ and don't coin might have negative food. You will literally leave them with nothing to do in game with your suggestion.

The reason the game being out of balance to the point of death is because infinite troops can be purchased immediately by someone on their first day in the game. We told Plarium that for 3 years but only now the games are dead has it dawned on them we know what we are talking about. Short term easy buck, no long term at all.

You are incorrect.    Its not garbage.   I'm a coiner myself, though I've never been willing to throw hundreds per month at a game.   Billions of offense did not exist before food restrictions were lifted.  I certainly never saw 100k offense even among the dedicated league offensive players 3 years ago.  Now its common.  Of course, troop packs are more common now and sapphires are cheaper, so yes, there is that.  BTW, who said I don't have negative food?

I said its the root cause, not the only cause.  That door, once opened, led to increasingly greater coiner troop heaven, like a runaway train.  I also said that there can be no protection, nor can troops be bought, trained, nor revived without positive food production.  It will reduce the gap between coiners and non-coiners...at least it will after the excess troops are knocked off in a fortress hit or some other hit before they disappear.

You're confusing correlation with causation.  People started buying much larger armies because it became much cheaper to do so, not because they would no longer lose a tiny bit of their army to food consumption.  Before all the deals and extra bonuses for $1000 you could get about 2500 dragons if you used bgs and healing (at 50% discount, since 75% wasn't around at the time).  That would be worth about 7 million offense at the time, since most of the offense bonuses that exist now didn't at the time.  Now, for spending the same $1000, you can get around 40,000 dragons if you're a bit patient and buy the discount packages plarium gives out every few days, and use heals on 75% discount, and trade the junk troops in the packages for dragons in bgs.  Those dragons, with all the bonuses available now, are worth about 300 million offense.  So for the same price you're getting over 40x the offense you would have a few years ago.  Sure, defense has gotten some boosts too but since many of them are pay only or only active for a limited time, it's likely most defenders won't be running them. 

So 3 years ago somebody could spend $10,000, get about 70 million offense, and put up a decent fight against 5-10 skilled free players.  Now, somebody could spend the same $10,000 over a few months of buying packages, get 3 billion offense, and wipe out hundreds of free players across dozens of leagues.  The removal of troop dismissal for negative food production just happened at about the same time the discounts started coming out, they weren't responsible for the massive increase in paid army size. 

IronApex Turok said:

Alina posted a picutre of the dev team "hard at work" in the news and announcements section.....

This is the dev team trying to figure out how to fix the game. 

no notebooks, no one even has the game pulled up. half arent even paying attention. 

my favorite is the guy fidgeting with the feather duster, everyone else is just standing around with their hands in their pockets. 

look at everyones faces.  they have no clue how to fix the game. 

There is always someone recording a summary of the meeting, which is then provided to everyone who attended - as well as those who did not, but still need the information that was being discussed. There is no need to have the game opened if the matter being discussed does not require a visual demonstration. I understand that you prefer to see what you want to see in anything presented, but hey, at least they are not playing Overwatch as you were worried in the past.

@Biohazard

IronApex Turok said:

Alina posted a picutre of the dev team "hard at work" in the news and announcements section.....

This is the dev team trying to figure out how to fix the game. 

no notebooks, no one even has the game pulled up. half arent even paying attention. 

my favorite is the guy fidgeting with the feather duster, everyone else is just standing around with their hands in their pockets. 

look at everyones faces.  they have no clue how to fix the game. 

There is always someone recording a summary of the meeting, which is then provided to everyone who attended - as well as those who did not, but still need the information that was being discussed. There is no need to have the game opened if the matter being discussed does not require a visual demonstration. I understand that you prefer to see what you want to see in anything presented, but hey, at least they are not playing Overwatch as you were worried in the past.

@Biohazard

The duster is indeed very important. It is an artefact of great power that puts the likes of the Spear of Destiny and Excalibur to shame.

I think a toilet plunger would been more suitable, consider the state of the game. Cute to see a bronie is represented at the meeting as well :p

TRolling

@Dimitri

Welcome back, not that you were away. Iron likes you. 

I prefer Alina and Paul. But Iron likes you,  so you are covered. I like your interaction with us. 

Dimitri Molchanov said:

TRolling

Well that sure is a different meeting than i'm used to. Who is lead,, where is the direction?

They are all appearing to be doing their own thing, looking in various different directions.

No focus it what I see in this meeting. A feather duster, what looks like a console controller, and what about the ones looking on the ground, who dropped what???

It does help explain the current states of Plarium games...

@Dimitri

Welcome back, not that you were away. Iron likes you. 

I prefer Alina and Paul. But Iron likes you,  so you are covered. I like your interaction with us. 

I do not see any of the things that you insist this image represents and, having attended some of these meetings, I know the Dev team takes them very seriously. But if one wants to find negatives in something it does not take too much effort to do so.