Ok    dhuk whatever the working is,  is  max  now  6*  level  60.  I  put  the  best  defense  gear  on  him  i  had.  5*  etc,  went  for  def,  spd,  hp,  acc  and  i  forget  what  else,  but  i  consider  i  added  the  best  i  could.  

so  wont  Kael,  ninja,  miscreated  monster  and  dhuk be  good  team  for  the  fire  thing?  and  I  not  sure  who  to  use  as  a  5th  champ.

i  still  going  to  6*  the  suggestions  above  though.

You mean Dhukk the pierced? And the team aforementioned above is really not a good fire knight team in my opinion. You're going to jeed multi-hitters, champions with A1s that attack the target multiple times. Fire Knight, Fyro, has a divine shield you must break down every turn he takes and the faster you can bring it down each turn the more damage you will inflict on him. Otherwise, he will just keep decreasing your MAX HP every turn while he stays @ full health.

Heal Reduction debuffs work well on him to prevent him from healing as well as Turn Meter reduction skills and Decrease Speed debuff.

Well  i  dont  have  anything like  that

i  dont  see  the  point  anymore  if  i  cant  have  a  team  good  enough.  I  dont  have  great  artifacts to  use  on  my  teams  and  the  only  way  to  get  them  seems  the  dragon,  thats  what  im  talking  about  not  fire  knight,  i  think.  If  you  look  at  the  above  posts  you  should  see  i  think  i  mean  dragon,  i  dont  remember lol

I'm just going to quote myself here. Why aren't you building this team, @buggs1a?

I  will  try  it    thanks  for  re  posting  it.  

i  just  focused  on  Dhuk  first.  Ill  start  working  on  those  ^  now.  To  6*.

but,,,  what  gear?  And  remember i  dont  have  the  best.  I  can  go  to  hades  but  wonder  how  good  that  info  really  is.

Kael in Lifesteal gear can likely solo Dragon 20 with his poisons, so I think your best bet is to gear the rest of your team to clear the waves as fast as possible. You'll want him to be *fast* - 200+ speed, ideally closer to 250, so that he can keep poisoning the boss. Don't worry about damage. Focus on speed, accuracy, and survivability.

That'll mean you'll want Roxam and Cleo to be pretty much in pure damage gear. Focus on getting CR to 100%, and then try to reach at least 4K ATK and 150% CR. Ideally closer to 5K ATK and 200% CR, but I'd understand if that's out of reach. In terms of speeds, get them both above 150 SPD, if you can, get them to 180-200 SPD. Neither of them really need accuracy, since their goal is to just hit as hard as possible.

Scyl should be geared as fast as possible, since her main goal is to stun the waves. Try putting a Stun or Relentless set on her if you can. Lanakis should be similar.

Well  thats  good  if  you  have  access  to  gear  that  good  which  i  don't,  thats  why  im  trying  to  get  to  dragon  20.

You should always look at those numbers as guidelines. If you can't meet them, try to be proportionally close. That means if you can't get 4K ATK and 150% CR, you can try targeting, say, 3K ATK and 125% CR. As you get lower, things become more difficult - remember your goal is to clear the waves as fast as possible. But a fully booked Scyl should be able to stun the waves and keep them controlled, which should let you get through them even if you can't clear them quickly.

Ok    thanks    great  advice    

i  guess  i  am  concerned that  i  just  dont  have  good  enough  gear  to  get  to  beat  dragon  level  20.  i  can  only  do  15  and  sometimes  16.

Even  after  i  max  5  suggested  champs  above,  i  still   dont  have great  gear.  So  how  can  i  get  to  level  20  dragon?

Start with 16 if necessary, to build up your gear. Perception and Resilience are also great for that. Same for Immortal and Cruel gear.

I  can  do  16  now  but  still  crud  artifacts.

I  just  6*  Cleo.  Working  on  leveling  to  60  now.  But  no  idea  how  to  gear  her.  Only  have  gear  from  campaign up  to  nightmare  lifesteal  and  whatever  from  demon  and  weekly  arena  at  silver  1  and  below.

Cleo  is  not  rated  good  on  hades,  he  dont  seem  like  a  good  place  to go.  I  dont  mean  only  cus  of  how  he  rates  cleo  but  he  rates  different  ones  quite  weird.

Any  ideas??

I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for ideas regarding. Are you asking for advice on how to gear Cleo? If so, gear her like you would any other wave control champ - focus is on making accuracy is between 190 and 220, and then try to make her as fast as possible while not ignoring atk/cr/cd. Her job isn't to nuke, so speed is a higher priority, but don't gear her with garbage items just for speed. 

Hh star rating is based on champs of similar quality.  So Cleo is being compared to other legendaries that do the same role she does.

Keep in mind that most of the gameplay in this game is based on you doing the most with what you have.  Look at what your goals are, then look at how many stars the champ is given for that content.  

What I wish the game did was explain group building better.  Think of groups as having two types.  Basic and gimmick, with plenty of overlap between the two.  Most of the time you'll have a basic group at it's core, with a gimmick that makes the specific content easier/faster.

Ideally for basic you have a damage dealer, someone who buffs, someone who debuffs, someone that does recovery, and someone that does control.  Far easier to do than it seems because most characters are designed to do two roles.  A champ like vogoth is a good example of basic comp as he does three roles.

For a gimmick comp the most common is just targeting the content weakness while mitigating or avoiding it's strength.  The ideal gimmick comp avoids complications with overwhelming damage.  A champion like coldheart being the prime example of this because of high damage and big turn meter control.

Let's look at your Cleo.  Fits well with a basic comp.  Covers damage, control, and debuffs.  Has a powerful passive as well.  The bad news is that she doesn't have gimmick level damage on bosses, which makes her worse than coldheart or royal guard.  

I  just  maxed  Cleo    it  was  suggested  to  use  her  with dragon  team    but  shes  weak  and  dies  fast  

i  have  geared  her  i  forget  but  i  think  as  good  ad  i  can  almost.  I  have  so  much  gear  its  going  To  take  forever  to  look  at  each  piece  to  try  to  find  the  ideal  stats,  there  are  none  with  ideal  stats.  

i  try  the  best  i  can  but  the  gesr  i  have  seems  crummy  to  get  dragon  20.  My  best  is  Kael,  ninja,  miscreated  monster  and  maybe  Sycl or  whatever  spelling  and  warpriest  for  healing.  I  can  try  lanakis  and  dhuk,  spelling,  but  i  just  dont  have  great  gear,  not  even  good  enough  to  beat  dragon  17    

im frustrated

Thanks  a  lot  guys.

i  just  did  Dragon  17  but  lost  the  next  time  i  fought    ugh.

i

The  team  i  used  for  17,  i  know  the  image  is  12  though.