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May 28, 2020, 21:4805/28/20
05/11/20
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Why are arena defense champions different?

Why is it that champions that are good for arena offense aren't good for arena defense? What does an arena defense champion have that offensive champions lack?
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May 29, 2020, 00:1505/29/20
May 29, 2020, 00:16(edited)
05/13/19
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Arena Defense Champions are played exclusively by the AI Computer.

Arena Offense Champions are played manually by a person or AI Computer.

The choice to manually play your team changes the nature of the fight.



The AI computer lacks long term strategical thinking.

The AI computer has been programmed to play certain moves as priority over other moves.


A human can alter the moves a hero will do.

You can use a move to further help your Strategic plan.



For Example:



I give this hero a 5 on Arena Offense

I give this hero a 4 on Arena Defense


The move I want Spider to do is the move Glowing Mark, but that isn't the move the AI Computer wants.

The AI Computer does the move Calamity.


The move Glowing Mark does AOE Decrease Enemy Defense

The move Calamity does AOE Decrease Enemy Attack



If I play this hero on Auto in Arena Offense, He does Calamity.

If I play this hero on Auto in Arena Defense, He does Calamity.


However, I have the power to manual him on Arena Offense.

I can force Spider to do the move Glowing Mark which is the move helping with my Arena strategy.

This is why I have given him a better ranking in Offense vs. Defense.



On Arena Defense, I would have to build my Arena Team around the fact that Spider will do the Calamity move.

or I would have to substitute Spider for another hero who prioritizes the AOE Decrease Enemy Defense.



Is AOE Decrease Enemy Attack Bad? NO!

It just isn't the move I want for my specific arena strategy.


May 29, 2020, 02:3305/29/20
12/19/19
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Well said J. To test out your defensive setup possibilities. Run them on auto on offense and see how they work. I would say for most early to mid game players the best arena offense and defense is the same. 
May 29, 2020, 03:2305/29/20
May 29, 2020, 04:20(edited)
06/22/19
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I dont know where get that info, for more than I year now, my defense is also my offense and it is getting wins. 

Edit: I ran troll defense on regular days just to lower my rank to lower gold4 then change to my best offense/defense during arena rank day. It is a speed nuke team. 


urionfranz said:



Why is it that champions that are good for arena offense aren't good for arena defense? What does an arena defense champion have that offensive champions lack?

May 30, 2020, 00:5105/30/20
06/19/17
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Another thing to consider is that a good arena defense champion should also be difficult to counter.

With that said the ratings in-game can be very wrong. I see it often on spider where champions that are good at spider 1-12 and awful at later stages have really high ratings. Champions that are godlike on spider 20 get low/mediocre ratings.

I dont think that many think like PlayerJ does when rating arena defense - but I do agree with him.

May 30, 2020, 21:2505/30/20
05/03/20
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@Trips......I have started using a different defense in arena.  The core is still my offensive team but I change 1-2 players.  To the casual player they look innocent, but I know they have special aura, skills or gear.  Most casual players only look at the point ratings.  They do not click the other team and check each player.  I am getting more defensive wins, but still not close to what I need.  Its a work in progress. 


Since, I started checking each player on the enemy defense I am winning more offensive battles.  This is definitely a strategy game and small things make a big difference. 
May 30, 2020, 22:5505/30/20
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After some time you wouldn't check them anymore. You will know what they all do, how they behave on auto, you will litteraly can tell what will happen within the firsts rounds.


The only qwestion you will have will be something like are his Arbiter faster than mine, is that Maus Mage wearing Immune set, do they both have shield set and things like that. 

At some point Arena is like your daily job - you know what to do, you know how to do it, so lets finish this and get back to the fun parts, like farming food. 

May 30, 2020, 22:5605/30/20
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farming food. actually made me laugh.
May 30, 2020, 23:1305/30/20
05/03/20
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I am still having problems farming food.  I have Kael 60 with all his masteries.  He is fully ascended.  5^ gear leveled to 12-16.  But he cant get past 8.3 dragging chickens. 
May 30, 2020, 23:4305/30/20
04/14/20
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ClosedPoly said:

I am still having problems farming food.  I have Kael 60 with all his masteries.  He is fully ascended.  5^ gear leveled to 12-16.  But he cant get past 8.3 dragging chickens. 
Maybe post a screenshot of his gear then, because that should not be happening... unless maybe on a few specific stages that are wrong affinity or just annoying. 
May 31, 2020, 00:0405/31/20
05/11/20
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Thanks guys. I'll keep all that in mind. 
May 31, 2020, 21:2205/31/20
05/03/20
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@L9753....For some reason I can't take a screenshot.  Here is the info. 


Offense weapon 5* Level 12        Attack 143, Accuracy 10, HP 300, Attack 5%

Speed helmet (epic) 5* Level 16    HP 3480, Crit Damage (1) 11%, Resistance (1) 17,

                    Defense (1) 11%, Attack 5%

Offense shield    5* Level 12        Defense 143, Crit Dam 5%, HP 306, Speed 5

Offense gauntlets 5* Level 12        Crit Dam 42%, Seep 5, Defense 17, Crit Rate 5%

Speed chestplate 5* Level 12        Defense 33%, Resistance 10, HP 418, Crit Dam 6%

Offense boots 5*, Leval 12        Speed 26, Defense 14, Attack 4%, Accuracy 9

Ring (epic) 3*, level 3            Defense 98, Attack 12, Defense 3%, HP (3) 12%


Masteries

Offense    Deadly precision, Keen strike, Shield breaker, Whirlwind of Death,

        Ruthless ambush, Cycle of violence, Kill streak, Blood shield,

        Flawless execution

Support    Pinpoint accuracy, Exalt in death, Arcane celerity, Lore of steel, Evil eye,

        Master hexer




May 31, 2020, 21:4305/31/20
04/14/20
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So he's not in lifesteal gear anymore? That makes it a lot harder, of course... not sure if it's absolutely required, but tough if he doesn't have any form of healing. 


Also, am I seeing correctly that only one piece has a crit rate substat, but you use crit damage gloves? What's his total crit rate? If it isn't close to 100 percent, or at least 75-80, you should probably switch the crit damage gloves for crit rate ones. It doesn't make sense to have high crit damage if you aren't getting critical hits on the large majority of your hits. 


The total accuracy also seems low - do you get a lot of resists on the poisons? If so, you need higher accuracy. 
Jun 1, 2020, 21:1806/01/20
12/19/19
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Terrible gear

Wrong masteries 


Jun 1, 2020, 21:4106/01/20
05/03/20
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Trips said:


Terrible gear

Wrong masteries 


I am open to suggestions about Kael masteries and gear. 



Jun 2, 2020, 01:0206/02/20
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I put him in Lifesteal and CR gear.  He is doing a lot more consistent damage.  I am farming for better Lifesteal 5^ gear.  He needs more speed.  Suggestions?  I got High Khatun today for my 30 day chip.  I have her in Lifesteal and ACC gear while I grind her up.  Even at 4.3 she is impressive and holds her own. 
Jun 2, 2020, 04:4606/02/20
05/13/19
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What exactly are you trying to get your Kael to do?


Lifesteal Set is used on a Kael mainly to benefit from Kael Poison - Not Raw Damage as much.

Offense Set is used on a Kael mainly to benefit from Kael Damage - Not Poison as much.


Lifesteal Set is often used on Kael for Farming, Clan Boss, & Dungeons.

Offense Set is often used on Kael for Farming**, Arena, & Dungeons**.



**Pure Damage build on Kael can work to farm Brutal, but you will need to be fast enough to move twice with him.

**Pure Damage build on Kael can work in Dungeons, but you will need a resurrection hero to revive him when he dies.




Jun 2, 2020, 05:5506/02/20
05/03/20
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Player J said:


What exactly are you trying to get your Kael to do?


Lifesteal Set is used on a Kael mainly to benefit from Kael Poison - Not Raw Damage as much.

Offense Set is used on a Kael mainly to benefit from Kael Damage - Not Poison as much.


Lifesteal Set is often used on Kael for Farming, Clan Boss, & Dungeons.

Offense Set is often used on Kael for Farming**, Arena, & Dungeons**.



**Pure Damage build on Kael can work to farm Brutal, but you will need to be fast enough to move twice with him.

**Pure Damage build on Kael can work in Dungeons, but you will need a resurrection hero to revive him when he dies.




I want Kael to farm Brutal 12.3 and help 3* Brutal.  Since he is my best player, I use him on all the teams.  How does his masteries look to you for farming?



Jun 2, 2020, 10:5406/02/20
02/13/19
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ClosedPoly said:


Player J said:


What exactly are you trying to get your Kael to do?


Lifesteal Set is used on a Kael mainly to benefit from Kael Poison - Not Raw Damage as much.

Offense Set is used on a Kael mainly to benefit from Kael Damage - Not Poison as much.


Lifesteal Set is often used on Kael for Farming, Clan Boss, & Dungeons.

Offense Set is often used on Kael for Farming**, Arena, & Dungeons**.



**Pure Damage build on Kael can work to farm Brutal, but you will need to be fast enough to move twice with him.

**Pure Damage build on Kael can work in Dungeons, but you will need a resurrection hero to revive him when he dies.




I want Kael to farm Brutal 12.3 and help 3* Brutal.  Since he is my best player, I use him on all the teams.  How does his masteries look to you for farming?



First of all you have to use lifesteal gear on your Kael, especially if you're running cb with him. Then, you have to change the T6 into "Warmaster" and increase the accuracy.

I'd suggest you to not use Kael as farmer, since there are other champs you can use only for that, like Shieldguard (unusual).
Jun 2, 2020, 23:3906/02/20
05/03/20
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@Valdys.........I changed Kael to lifesteal and CR gear.  His gear is 5* L12.  Until I find a build that I like I am not going to 6* L16 gear on him.  Its a huge investment and I want it to be right. 


If I build a Shiledguard for farming what gear will he need?  Which stats would be the priority?  Will he need full masteries? 
Jun 3, 2020, 10:5906/03/20
02/13/19
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ClosedPoly said:

@Valdys.........I changed Kael to lifesteal and CR gear.  His gear is 5* L12.  Until I find a build that I like I am not going to 6* L16 gear on him.  Its a huge investment and I want it to be right. 


If I build a Shiledguard for farming what gear will he need?  Which stats would be the priority?  Will he need full masteries? 
You can build him like this one. It isn't my Shieldguard, I've never maxed him because I pulled Sinesha in early game, but he can be a good farmer.