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Jan 31, 2020, 03:3001/31/20
08/06/15
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Which is a better gem investment for F2P?

Upgrading the gem mine or sparring arena?
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Jan 31, 2020, 03:3401/31/20
02/13/19
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Hi,

Gem mine is the first step, then you can upgrade sparring pit, but I don't like it... mine is still lvl 1 :D

Jan 31, 2020, 04:0901/31/20
08/06/15
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Yeah. Come to think of it, upgrading the mine should definitely be the way to go.
Jan 31, 2020, 06:5301/31/20
11/21/19
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I personally am leaving the mine last because of steep cost and extremely long turnaround. It'll take 100 days for the mine to pay itself off for level 1. I asked someone the cost to upgrade to lvls 2 and 3, as well as the max limit and time it takes to fill, but I forget what they said. Been spending my gems on the sparring pit, a couple store openings, and making room in the Champion Vault. The last one is more  personal pref/ocd type thing, I want to have at least 1 of every champion. 
Jan 31, 2020, 08:3001/31/20
08/06/15
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gwarslave119 said:

I personally am leaving the mine last because of steep cost and extremely long turnaround. It'll take 100 days for the mine to pay itself off for level 1. I asked someone the cost to upgrade to lvls 2 and 3, as well as the max limit and time it takes to fill, but I forget what they said. Been spending my gems on the sparring pit, a couple store openings, and making room in the Champion Vault. The last one is more  personal pref/ocd type thing, I want to have at least 1 of every champion. 
What's the champion vault and where is it at? I thought about the store expansion but I think I'm quite happy with what the store has to offer for now. I see nothing good at the bottom anyway. :D
Jan 31, 2020, 08:3801/31/20
Jan 31, 2020, 08:41(edited)
11/21/19
12

yeah i have the last 2 at the bottom in the market locked, i dont think ive bought anything aside from Mystery Shards for the daily. And if you go to the Champions, at the bottom of your inventory on the left, there's a vault button. Its so you can store champions there once you initially fill up your inventory. You can still use them like in Faction battles while still in the vault, but any modifying whether gear or enhancing your champion requires you to pull them out of the Vault.


Edit: initially its worth just paying silver yto make more room, costs more with each upgrade. 
Jan 31, 2020, 08:5701/31/20
05/13/19
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gwarslave119 said:


I personally am leaving the mine last because of steep cost and extremely long turnaround. It'll take 100 days for the mine to pay itself off for level 1. I asked someone the cost to upgrade to lvls 2 and 3, as well as the max limit and time it takes to fill, but I forget what they said. Been spending my gems on the sparring pit, a couple store openings, and making room in the Champion Vault. The last one is more  personal pref/ocd type thing, I want to have at least 1 of every champion. 

If you upgrade the mine to lv 3 will turn back all 1500 gems in 100 days not only for 1 level (3rd level give you around 15/17 per day).


So i think mine is the first, after if you need champions you can buy the ancient shards and after unlock the all slots for level up champions.


Have a nice day
Feb 3, 2020, 14:3902/03/20
10/11/19
54

If you got all slots unlocked in the market, you can buy up to 3 ancient shards from it a month.

So don't forget to unlock all the slots in that market. (the ancients cost 200k silver a piece from the market)
Feb 3, 2020, 16:5702/03/20
Feb 3, 2020, 17:14(edited)
02/01/20
85

IF you are F2p player like me, (F2P for free to play)  and you are only playing the game for the first time to see if you like it, I suggest expanding 1st on marketplace storage, because you will get ancient shards in the MP sold for 200K, if the storage is lock and no way to open, then you miss that shard forever. heard they show up 4 times in all the month. so  4 shards right there, 4 guaranties rares. (if you open them and get crap, more reasons to abandon the game XD )


If you are in a hurry to upgrade your champions to LVL 60, like me, the pit is also good, (not upgraded), as you can put 4 characters to gain levels as you sleep or what not.


and last is to invest in the gem mine, again, if you really like the game... so panning to stay to get that reward back in 100 days for P2W players but like 180 for F2P games  (half a year) as i am including the time you probably pass gathering the gems to unlock it and wont miss any by miss-clicking to open keeps that are closed (200 gem down the drain on Magic Keep like happen to me T_T not included misc-clicking refresh arena and refreshing MP because the button is strategically placed in the same place you usually click Cancel on any operative system window) in total have miss like 250 gems slipping in the banana peels in your path. and the reason i gave up on the Mine and opening MP slots instead)


On a personal note, and its only my opinion so don't take it with any relevance at all, I am only in my 1st weeks and i am tired with the grinding to only level a single character to 60, utterly bored and feeling i am not going anywhere with the very slow progress I do daily, but that is the burden of  F2P games I guess...


Long story short, In my humble opinion, if you are pay to win (P2W) and have money to spare , then invest first on the gem mine, MP storage and pit, in that order. thanks for reading!



Feb 3, 2020, 17:0902/03/20
12/19/19
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so 200k for the blue shards is considered a good deal? hmm. i just buy 1 green shard a day for the daily quest. 
Feb 3, 2020, 17:2302/03/20
Feb 3, 2020, 18:36(edited)
02/01/20
85

Trips said:


so 200k for the blue shards is considered a good deal? hmm. i just buy 1 green shard a day for the daily quest. 

IDK... I am still noob, you tell me please. I consider any ancient shard is a good investment as (IF YOU ARE EXTREMELY LUCKY) you may get a GOOD legendary... because that is the odds, you may get crappy legendary as well or some that are just plain ugly you wont want to show your friends, (like the matron Ork with fly flying all around impaling she smells like poop and only place bombs , or the St Patrick meme monster... BTW should he be a Dwarf and not a Ogre?)


I also buy green shard, ALL OF THEM, because again if you are EXTREMELY LUCKY you may get a GOOD rare. The More The Better when it comes to mystery shards, also you can use them all in the summoning events to get some crap that may help you.

Feb 3, 2020, 19:1502/03/20
12/19/19
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Is saving up the 800 gems to unlock all masteries a good use?
Feb 3, 2020, 20:5702/03/20
02/13/19
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Trips said:


Is saving up the 800 gems to unlock all masteries a good use?

Hi,

I think not, I prefer use gems buying refills or big ancient shards pack.
Feb 4, 2020, 02:0602/04/20
Feb 4, 2020, 02:14(edited)
02/01/20
85

Trips said:


Is saving up the 800 gems to unlock all masteries a good use?

Think maybe only if you p2w, as save a lot of time you can invest on leveling up characters. you know how much energy you lose in those dungeons... and you will have to fight solo as the scrolls are given randomly on each character.  Energy is very restrictive in this game. as you know

if you are F2p it wont be a good idea, because  there other things you better invest the gems.  like we discuss here,  MP slots, fight pit places and the gem mine. F2P players got to have the patience of the gods! as everything will come in very very slow and every gem counts.
Feb 4, 2020, 12:0602/04/20
05/13/19
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Gem Mines ---> Market Slots ---> Sparring Pit Slots ---> Decide between Masteries, Shard Packs, or Refills
Feb 4, 2020, 16:4502/04/20
04/12/19
57

honestly its best early on to save gems and pay for your first mastery, forget the mine, arena etc, mino 15 has to be done for uns to be scroll/energy efficient and this is very difficult to without at least one player mastered, also having the masteries on one player will give you clan boss rewards from high chest daily- more gem rewards, allow you to clear brutal earlier in game- gems/gear/shards, harder quests then achieved, mine takes ages to recover gems early on and they are premium at the start.

once you have 2 champs fully mastered, mino 15 is easily done and the champs you run with them level far quicker, then unlock mine and then arena/storage, far quicker to do it this way
Feb 4, 2020, 19:1502/04/20
Feb 4, 2020, 19:20(edited)
12/19/19
6434

I have done very little on masteries so far, just tier 2. I can farm brutal 12.3 or 12.6 with 60 elhain and 3 food.


I have 6* Elhain 60 Zelotah 60 Apocathery 49 (on way to 60)

50 Adriel, Occult Brawler, Skullcrusher, Shaman (throwaway at this point I guess)

40 Frostbringer, Crimson Helm, Whisper, Gorgorab, High Khatun, Seeker, Hordin, Grizzled Jarl, Fellhound, Berserker (garbage), Valla (garbage), Valerie, Jizoh

Market slots dont make sense to me, or sparring pit (i have 1 slot level 1), and level 1 gem mine


Guess I'll keep using for more energy when i am close in events or expand vault when i get to the point i need more space
Feb 4, 2020, 22:2902/04/20
12/21/19
5

I did invest in the mine first thing before training slots. Never regretted it, did the upgrade to lvl 3 as well and then openend all slots (but only to lvl 1)


I have done 2 masteries for 800 gems, and also did not regret. It makes farming for scrolls for specific champ much easier. Fully mastered champs don’t get the scrolls and then go directly to the champ you want. Saves a lot of time in the beginning I recon. 
Feb 5, 2020, 02:5102/05/20
05/13/19
2326

I gave the most optimal route for F2P players in terms of gem investment.


However, I believe in equality 

I will now give the most optimal route for P2P players in terms of gem investment.


Of course, this is just my opinion.

I think P2P players have a different route vs. F2P players.


Market Slots ---> Market Refresh (500 Gems) ---> Mastery for 1 hero (800 Gems) ---> Gem Mines ---> Sparring Pit Slots ---> Decide between Masteries, Shard Packs, or Refills



Feb 5, 2020, 13:5202/05/20
12/19/19
6434
I think I have 500 energy for daily login coming later today. Would that make using gems for double XP worthwhile? With champion leveling event, I haven't done the math to figure out if I complete without double as mine just ended and I'm currently at 4700 points. 
Feb 7, 2021, 03:2802/07/21
Feb 7, 2021, 03:36(edited)
09/08/20
1
Trips
Is saving up the 800 gems to unlock all masteries a good use?

from doing some quick math on stage 15 of minotaur, the 800 gems could be useful or not.


at an absolute worst, you'll need 219 wins against the minotaur to get all scrolls to max one character. at the best, 122 wins.

4-5 matches to get basic scrolls

38-55 matches to get advnaced scrolls

80-159 matches to get divine scrolls


at 14 energy per battle, that's a range of 1708-3066 energy.


at a max of 130 energy, you will need anywhere from 14-24 energy refills. buying these all from gems comes up to 560-960 gems.


if 800 gems is the baseline we're going off of, then buying the gems mastery will only pay off 40% of the time (160:240). this doesn't take into account the energy refills you get from quests or playtime awards.


UPDATE:

if you expand it a bit more, assume you come in with full energy, then you'll need 13-23 energy refills. you get 1 free energy refill from fighting in 5 classic arenas and 1 free energy refill from completing all Advanced quests. You get 1 energy refill after 60 min of playtime rewards. These 3 free energy refills take the cost down to 10-20 energy refills. That is 400-800 gems worth of energy.


Unless you have an immediate need to unlock all masteries for a single champion, it is not worth it to use 800 gems to unlock all masteries as it'll pay off 0% of the time once you include the free energy refills