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May 14, 2024, 11:2405/14/24
May 14, 2024, 11:30(edited)
03/17/21
11

Armanz is flat out ridiculous. It's not just his abilities, it's his stats as well. At level 60 he has 19k base HP, 108 speed and 1.1k DEF making him very fast, tanky and extremely hard to simply kill off even with Hegemon. Adding to his kit with full TM steal, his 3 turn A2 is realistically, 2 turns, meaning he can loop a same speed team permantely with only the 3% resist standing in the way. He would be less OP if his base HP was say something like 14k or so and his defense at 900ish to compensate for his kit. So squishy and needs to be in SS to survive Hegemon which at least gives him one hard counter.

It's very easy to build high speed and accuracy due to the ease of which perception gear can be obtained. It's not nearly as easy to build high resist as resist gear is DT locked or needs to be farmed. Compared to perception, most players probably have more good perception pieces than any other set in the game.

Do not understand why he was made so tanky with a broken control kit that has zero hard counters at present. Resist isn't really a counter as it's easier to stack accuracy than resist, and you only have to match the numbers were as resist needs to be a full 100 higher. Riho might be a "soft" counter as she can reflect the stun but she can't prevent the TM steal, nor can she do much to prevent the other 3 from destroying your team. Polymorph blessing at 6 stars is the only other "soft" counter that's entirely depedent on RNG.

Side note, some Hegemon math by the way (using our Hegemon as an example):

8050 attack, 330 CD, cruel+savage 

Damage from A2: 8050 x 4.3 x 3.8 x 1.3 x 1.14 = ~195k raw damage

Assume 3500 defense (fairly normal stats mid to high gold V), 3500 x 0.7 = 2450 DEF/~68% mitigation

HP required to survive nuke, ~62k HP (without masteries or other passives), with masteries, ~57k HP.

As should be obvious, to survive a Hegemon nuke isn't difficult if a champion is built even remotely for defense. Hegemon's 3.8 base multiplier just doesn't cut it anymore when blessings have made everyone significantly tankier. Wager it's much easier to build a 19k/1.1k base to 57k/3.5k than it is to build a 1.5k/63 to 8k/330.

May 14, 2024, 14:1905/14/24
05/26/22
585

It would be kind of stupid if hegemon could one-shot any tough champion. When he is on the other team it is kind of like when the witch is on the other team. You either have to win the speed race or have a good cleanser on your team. I mean there are just certain characters that you have to have a counter for... bomb champions, WuKong, etc. 


He is powerful and one of the best PvP champions but he isn't undefeatable. Yes, he can use his sheep to cleanse your block debuffs but then you are going to get a chance before he gets to go again. The other team can build a team that removes your block debuffs and then has him go but is that any different than a team that does the same and then blows you up with bombs?  

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May 14, 2024, 16:0605/14/24
02/24/19
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WileyMan

Three (More) Cheers for the Armanz/Anti-Armanz Arena Meta:

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Hey, nice! 

I'm headed there pretty quick myself. This meta is so so much better than it was when Live came out. :D

Jul 12, 2024, 09:1407/12/24
02/28/22
270

I can't helpthinking this is going to get worse, the fury about UDK and stoneskin was news but folk found counters, and you can only get one UDK.  Armanz is summonable!

In any PvP this guy is a cancer, in live he is pretty much an immediate ban, in TAG I am only S3 and there were two players that had Armanz in two of their three teams, that;s a situation that can only get worse

Not sure how seige defence is going to work but I bet the top clans have members who have him so he's going to pop up an awful lot

I'm not complaining as I don't do live, happy in Arena G5 and I've done the TAG mission for Ramantu so I hang around S3 but I've seen posts and videos and there is growing concern about this guy - UDK could keep a team alive, one Armanz can wipe out a whole team.  Yu can also waltz through most waves in the game and that's plain wrong

Jul 12, 2024, 10:0007/12/24
12/16/21
1211

Erm... Udk is summonable too. For that matter, so is monkey

Jul 12, 2024, 10:1007/12/24
02/28/22
270
MooredRat

Erm... Udk is summonable too. For that matter, so is monkey

My bad, didn't think UDK was - I know monkey is I have 2 

Jul 28, 2024, 09:5507/28/24
07/05/21
3

his stun and sheep are supposed to be on a 3 turn cooldown when fully booked. i faced 3 players with him tonight and all 3 times he went sheep1, stun all, sheep1, stun all, my turn but everyone is stunned,  Armanz- sheep, stun, sheep, stun, sheep, my turn but i'm stunned, regular attack, my turn, stun, dead.  how is that possible on a 3 turn cooldown? he's not OP he's broken.

Jul 28, 2024, 10:2907/28/24
12/16/21
1211

There are masteries, gear sets, and accessories to reduce cooldown.

Jul 29, 2024, 06:4907/29/24
01/31/20
993

@Sunisme 

Check out this thread for ideas to counter Armanz.