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Oct 20, 2023, 22:2610/20/23
05/03/20
1860

Will it be possible to build Hydra teams that can run on auto?  I never learned the nuances of manual for battles.  I use the red X to focus to get a champ back.  

Oct 21, 2023, 13:5810/21/23
01/15/21
1190

^^ all my teams one key on auto i was manualling but have gone back to auto runs.

Anyway tactics for me depend on the difficulty. And generally i dont follow the accepted wisdom with accuracy down etc. If i did proper tactics i would probably score a lot more but - that would be too much effort :)


 On normal i just bully the run, so go all out for quick damage and forget everything else except for an emergency resurrect and veil, you can do a lot of damage with the heads dead- i imagine with a second yumeko i could do some silly numbers but that isnt likely to happen and its good enough. 


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On brutal and hard you can still bully it a bit - but i do think more about speed, and also want to have some veiling and a resurrect and cleanse as well, i also want to remove/block buffs . So i have ukko to remove and block buffs, razelvarg to speed boost and a cleanser in the group as well as aoe damage reduction and a reviver (duchess also veils). I am building korugar to see if he is better than mithrala for this.


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On nightmare speed becomes a real issue, as does the ability to veil so i include someone to move the turnmeter (lady kimi). Max hp damage becomes a great idea as well so i put in gnut, gnut is great for quickly freeing consumed allies as well as bash hits so damned hard. Marichka is there to cleanse and heal.


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Oct 26, 2023, 08:5910/26/23
05/03/20
1860

What is the best form of damage to kill hydra heads?  

Oct 26, 2023, 09:5810/26/23
09/21/20
130

Saph from HH did a video about a month ago covering this. Sure they won't mind me dropping a screenshot - 4 is better (so suggests basically burns are much less value the higher the difficulty whereas max hp is better etc):


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Oct 26, 2023, 10:2210/26/23
05/03/20
1860
Drambuie

Saph from HH did a video about a month ago covering this. Sure they won't mind me dropping a screenshot - 4 is better (so suggests basically burns are much less value the higher the difficulty whereas max hp is better etc):


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This means the value of nukers declines as the difficulty increases?

Nov 4, 2023, 01:3811/04/23
05/03/20
1860

Is a healer or leech more valuable to keep a team alive?

Nov 4, 2023, 03:1311/04/23
06/25/20
6719

The general rule of thumb is that you don't want to bring someone who only does one thing. Most healers do nothing else but heal, so they're generally to be avoided.

Most of the ones you do want to bring tend to have healing as a secondary benefit. For example, people use Duchess, not because of the buffs and healing she provides, but because of the Perfect Veil, allowing them to avoid Torment. Similarly, people use Uugo for her block buffs and DEF down, not for the healing.

Leech, on the other hand, tends to be there on lots of champs whose main role isn't healing at all. Nekmo Thaar, for example, does Leech, yes, but he also does ... well, everything else. Similarly, Razelvarg brings Leech, but he also brings SPD up and ACC up.

Nov 4, 2023, 03:1511/04/23
06/25/20
6719
ClosedPoly

This means the value of nukers declines as the difficulty increases?

Depends on your definition of a nuker. Straight damage nukers, yeah, their value goes down as difficulty increases, mainly because Max-HP nukers' value goes up.

But, as in my previous post, you generally need people to do more than one thing. It's hard to fit someone on a team when they only bring damage. That's why Husk is so good - he does the Max-HP damage, but he also brings Provoke on his A1, so you can use him as a backup provoker. Same for Gnut - his A3 does a pile of damage, but he also brings two useful debuffs on his A2.

Nov 4, 2023, 03:4911/04/23
05/03/20
1860
kramaswamy.kr

The general rule of thumb is that you don't want to bring someone who only does one thing. Most healers do nothing else but heal, so they're generally to be avoided.

Most of the ones you do want to bring tend to have healing as a secondary benefit. For example, people use Duchess, not because of the buffs and healing she provides, but because of the Perfect Veil, allowing them to avoid Torment. Similarly, people use Uugo for her block buffs and DEF down, not for the healing.

Leech, on the other hand, tends to be there on lots of champs whose main role isn't healing at all. Nekmo Thaar, for example, does Leech, yes, but he also does ... well, everything else. Similarly, Razelvarg brings Leech, but he also brings SPD up and ACC up.

I need to build a database to manage all the possibilities.  

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 4, 2023, 16:0211/04/23
02/24/19
7964
ClosedPoly

I need to build a database to manage all the possibilities.  

There's a lot with Hydra. The way we handle it in my cluster is work with people's individual roster to come up with a solid NM team that allows people to build out Brutal and Hard teams after. So that's an option here too, if people are looking for some options as to what is specifically their best team.

Nov 5, 2023, 01:0211/05/23
05/03/20
1860
harleQuinn

There's a lot with Hydra. The way we handle it in my cluster is work with people's individual roster to come up with a solid NM team that allows people to build out Brutal and Hard teams after. So that's an option here too, if people are looking for some options as to what is specifically their best team.

I am 76 now, so my memory is not as good as it once was.  With a database I can easily review skills and stats.  I want to build hydra teams without others choosing them for me.  But, I still need a lot of advice about champs, skills and gear that work the best in each hydra level.  It doesnt help that I am a perfectionist and dont like losing while learning.  

Nov 5, 2023, 07:2911/05/23
05/03/20
1860

I have two Shamael.  Is it worth my while to build out the 2nd one for Hydra?  He seems to be a natural to win in Hydra.  

dthorne04Moderator
Nov 5, 2023, 08:0111/05/23
12/30/20
6215
ClosedPoly

I have two Shamael.  Is it worth my while to build out the 2nd one for Hydra?  He seems to be a natural to win in Hydra.  

It is absolutely worth it, yes. 

Nov 5, 2023, 08:5311/05/23
05/03/20
1860
dthorne04

It is absolutely worth it, yes. 

If it does not work out, you get the blame.   :)

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Nov 5, 2023, 11:4611/05/23
06/24/19
2431
ClosedPoly

If it does not work out, you get the blame.   :)

Blame Davey anyway. 

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 5, 2023, 15:0111/05/23
02/24/19
7964
ClosedPoly

If it does not work out, you get the blame.   :)

Are we shifting blame from Trips to Thorne now?

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 5, 2023, 15:0111/05/23
02/24/19
7964

Also agreed on Shammy, he's a good one to build a second for Hydra.

Nov 6, 2023, 00:3211/06/23
05/03/20
1860
harleQuinn

Are we shifting blame from Trips to Thorne now?

I take credit for gitting gudder and shift blame for failure.  It seems fair to me.   :)

harleQuinnModerator
Nov 7, 2023, 21:3311/07/23
02/24/19
7964
ClosedPoly

I take credit for gitting gudder and shift blame for failure.  It seems fair to me.   :)

Lol 😆

Wait..... who told you that you were gitting gudder? I need to have a word.... hahaha 😜

Nov 8, 2023, 08:2511/08/23
05/03/20
1860

Does Clash end before the Hydra rotation?  I thought I had an hour left and Clash said it was closed.