Out of curiosity:

Why do you think these shards should be consided directly above sacreds/better than them?

If people dont purchase them or other things plarium will have to change.

This isnt just a plarium thing, its literally every single game and developer nowdays. Even beyond games really.

I remember when micro transactions first started out in gaming and being angry because people bought them. Fast foward and now every single game has become how long can we keep them playing and buying things. Game developers realized that giving the game away then nickle and diming you was extremely more profitable than a single game purchase and then a expansion pack. Do I balme them? No.

If the consumers stopped buying this nonsense companies would have to try different avenues other than trying to milk you dry from micro transactions. Micro transactions doesnt even fit todays models, when a shard is 20$ or a skin in diablo/league is 25$, packs costing 100+$ ... there is nothing micro about it.

The only people to blame are ourselves and the gaming communities as a whole, for letting it get to this point.

Nothing is going to change. Expect gaming to get even more expensive since this transactional platfirm has proven a success for these companies. It has been a giant loss for gamers, maybe some are just to young to realize how big of a loss it was.

I think you're being a bit myopic, zed.

20 years ago, would you have had a game like this, that you could play 100% for free?

20 years the mmo genre was starting to grow, i remember playing a new mmo every other week lol, there were so many of them, all free to play. I think majority of players who play raid dont know that there are other online games out there, on PC, so they dont have a comparison to know how predatory raid actually is.

And once again i have to bring up elder scrolls online that i play, theres a store where you can buy things for real money, hundrerds of different items, none of them pay to win, and game grows massively every year....just saying

Yes and no. We all know this is a casino mixed into a game.

20 years ago you bought your game and played it, maybe at some point a year later you got a expansion pack. Games were not free but for a one time price you owned it. That moved onto DLC, seasons, skins, loot boxes, ect. As I said companies learned it was far more profitable to give the game away and then sell you small things inside the game. No one is paying 10g for a video game, but people are racking up that price tag in transactions.

If your old enough to have been a gamer before the internet you know how fast things went downhill once the micro transaction model took off.

I ignore the shop unless i want to treat myself to a little monthly gem pack or something else .. so the pricing is irrelevant 100% ... Primal shard could be 200$ each and i wouldnt even blink ...  What i care about is how we earn them and how often ... 

So far we know there's 1 in the daily login per month , quartz from hydraclash and upcoming pve content that will reward us with some alongside a mythical champ (probably fragment like mithrala or dt SR)..

So my guess is we will get a good 5+ per month when that secret pve content is released.. until then someone like me will get 2-3 a month .. which isnt bad or great ...

In the end .. if they are glorified red colored ancient shard .. they need to be earned at a decent pace for free(similar to how you can hoard other shard types per month)

Not sure about the OP but I would think they'd be considered better than sacreds because they're the only way to get a mythical champ. Also, I entirely agree with the OP. We got some free primal shards, thank you Plarium, and every one of them for me resulted in a rare. The drop rates are as terrible as Ash and others predicted and most of them were kidding when saying those numbers, but nope, .5 percent chance for a mythical is in fact the real drop rate. 

Don't know about you guys but I will definitely NOT be buying any primal shards. They're pricing them slightly cheaper than sacreds right now but I'm sorry to say that with those abyssal drop rates and the fact that rares are included in the drops, I just can't spend on this part of the game, ever. It's just a complete waste. I think that in all likelihoo, primal shards are going to debut about the same as prism shards did; sure many of the krakens will snap them up but regular folks who are low to mid spenders and the f2p crowd won't be buying.

To me this is an arbitrary stance/assumption (automatically applying the idea they're > sacred in hierarchy) and though I understand there will be arguments about pricing nearly regardless of where everything shakes out in terms of primals offered as in game rewards: making them better than sacreds would effectively price them even more out of low spend range and vastly reduce the chances of seeing them as attainable in game rewards. 

I think they're roughly an ancient ++ right now and that seems to be the aim. I do see their rollout as better than prisms as well. 

that said, i shall continue to grab feedback to send in, thank you for the reply. 

So much of this thread is just...

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You're just mad cuz you've had more days than the rest of us.

20 years ago I played MMOs free? Then switched to wow with a small sub . To be honest a content creator quit recently and revealed how much he spent before quitting and I was genuinely shocked at the sums involved. It was enough to buy a mid range car every few years. 

It explains why plarium don't target the small spenders with good deals, they make their money from the Kraken's and whales

As for mythic shards.. my gut feeling is plarium view all the free stuff we get from clan boss to be an issue. Therefore they want items that cannot be obtained from clan boss to be the end game currency so that Kraken's and whales keep buying it.

Not necessarily above/better. On par with at a minimum though. There is no option for rare champs with a sacred shard. Because the pull chance for a rare champ is so high on the primal shard, it's basically an ancient or void shard. There is literally nothing to work towards to earn or get one of these primal shards. Zero excitement, zero enthusiasm. Just meh, whatever. The introduction  of mythical champs was completely botched. 

I think sacreds have always been massively over rated.  I'd put voids well above them.

Back in my day people had to be sarcastic without these fancy animations

We had to use ASCII art! :)

Y'all are idiots crying about rare % in the shards.  It's as irrelevant as the rare % drops in hard dungeons and brews dropping in keeps... smh 

Only thing matters is lego % and mythical %.  No difference between a 3star and 4star chicken from a shard.

Come to think of it, us crying over the % of new shards does sound stupid, we should instead be asking why are they not releasing content that everyone can enjoy, at all times, like what the actual F what do these mythic champions add to the game?

I get when they discuss new content theres always shareholders asking "ok that sounds good, but how much revenue does it generate" but cmon add some real tangible content instead of this garbage lol? Content that is not for endgame only.

My point wasn't necessarily about the rare percentage. Although, maybe I could have clarified a bit better. My point was that if they are going to release champs with a title of mythical, then they should not be diminished by having an option for rare champs whatsoever. Rare champs are so easy to come by it just makes the new shard uneventful. In my opinion, having something so easy to come by in the game, as it is, with such a high pull percentage in a shard that is introducing new mythical champs is just a blatant money grab. To me, it  just reduces the value of the new champs. 

Back in my day we had to be sarcastic in an actual verbal conversation.  We didn't have ASCII!!!

Just more con from this game developer $100 for 8 shards...all rares..insane...actually it was insane for me to think these grifters would do anything but grift customers...

oh, and this will get me a ban...

Yes, this.